Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?

sanctus
#1
Did Jesus struggle? YES!
Besides being fully divine, Jesus was also fully human. That means that He had to learn to live the Sermon on the Mount long before He preached it. He had to discover how to love His enemies. Doing good to people who hurt or opposed Him was sometimes difficult for Him, just as it is for us. He didn't always like giving to everyone who asked or stole from Him. Although He never sinned, He had to grow in spiritual maturity. Hebrews 2:10 says that He was not fully perfect until he suffered on Good Friday.
Jesus practiced holy living one day at a time. Some days were harder than others, but He grew from his experiences, and He learned to overcome His struggles. The only real difference between Jesus and us is that Jesus never gave in to the temptation to give up the struggles and succumb to sin. When He preached the Sermon on the Mount, He did not ask us to do anything that He had not already personally worked through. He truly understands what we go through as we struggle not to sin.
Even the words He chose for the “Our Father” prayer came out of His own needs and experiences. Take a look at the Lord’s prayer from His perspective. Let’s imagine what He might have prayed as a young adult:
Our Father in heaven, the One who gave me this human life, the One who gave life to every person who was ever conceived and who ever will be conceived. You made me a brother of that man who came into my carpenter shop to order a storage chest for his tailor shop. He was so demanding and picky and unreasonable that I wanted to throw him out, but instead, I worked extra hard to do my best work for him. And how did he reward me? With more complaints and a refusal to pay the full amount of his bill. Is that fair? No! But You, O God, love him anyway. He is my brother, and so I choose to love him, too. Help me to love him the way you love him.
Hallowed be Your Name. I want to revere You in everything I do. I want to be a witness of how wonderful You are by the way I live my life. Use me to make a difference in others. Show me how to help others revere You. Give me an opportunity to reveal to that tailor how much You love him. Maybe I can find a good deed to do for him. But what I long for most, my Father, is to reach multitudes of people with Your love. In the meantime, I'll work at evangelizing the few people You've put in my life right now.
Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Sometimes, Father, I think You're not using me to my fullest potential. I could be doing so much more if I weren't stuck in this carpenter shop. I know Mother needs me. I understand that she and other relatives depend on the income I earn, now that Dad's gone. But I feel frustrated sometimes. How long must I limit my usefulness to carpentry work and a few good discussions in the synagogue? How long must I practice patience with unreasonable tailors and grumpy fishermen and the others who come into my shop? They're only interested in themselves; most of them don't listen to me when I try to tell them the advantages of holy living. Send me to people who are ready to listen! Why are you keeping me here? Yes, Father, I trust that You know the perfect timing for everything. Therefore, I pray that Your will, not mine, be done in my life in this town in this job with these people—just as completely as Your will is always done in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread. Please give me and my family and my neighbors and my customers—everyone who's part of this community of brothers and sisters in which You've placed me—whatever it is that we need today to do Your will. Give my tailor-brother an awareness of the love You're showering upon him, so that he can be healed of the insecurities that make him so fearful of being cheated. And give me more of Your patience so that doing good to him becomes easier. I also need patience to be truly satisfied with the life and the job and the small town I am in today.
Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who've sinned against us. Thank you, Father, for giving me the strength to resist sin. I pray on behalf of my brothers and sisters who do succumb to sin. Since we are all part of the same community as Your children, I accept their guilt as my own. Forgive us, Father, for we don't understand what we're doing when we sin. We don't realize how we’re actually hurting everyone, including ourselves, when we choose to disobey Your will. And Father, because I personally have been hurt by the sins of the others, I ask You not to hold this against them, for I choose to forgive them.
Do not subject us to the test, but protect us from being led into temptation, and deliver us from the evil one. Your faith is our shield that protects us from sin, but to rely on You we must turn to You. So for myself and on behalf of the others, I ask for Your divine help. You have given each of us the strength we need to resist the evil one; help us learn to use that strength. It is only through Your power that we can obey Your will; help us to continue to grow in the free use of that power, so that the struggle between the flesh and the spirit is more quickly ended. You've taught me that the most effective way to resist temptation is to do the opposite of what the evil one wants me to do; help me to do that more readily. If I'm ever tempted again to throw that tailor out of my shop, help me to more speedily make him feel welcome. And strengthen everyone in my human community. Help us to love our enemies, to do good to those who hate us, to bless those who curse us, and to pray for those who treat us badly. Help us to overcome temptation by becoming instruments of Your infinitely powerful and totally unconditional love.
And use me, Father, to deliver all of my human family from the evil one. For You have so loved the world that You've sent me to manifest Your love, that whosoever believes in me shall have everlasting life. Thank You for hearing my prayer. Amen!
 
gopher
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The difference was that Jesus' struggle was volitional whereas most of us don't have the same luxury he did. Jesus could call for as many angels as he wished to get whatever he wanted:

Mat 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

72,000 angels to do his bidding. Do you have such a luxury? I don't.
 
snfu73
#3
As the story goes...he suffered...I have no doubt about that...as the STORY goes...what happened in reality...I have no clue.

Personally, based on the knowledge that we possess now, I believe that jesus was a schizophrenic or had sever bipolar disorder. Nowdays, if someone claims to be the son of god...or has such thoughts of grandeur, they are hospitalized. I believe he was mentally ill.
 
gc
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus View Post

Jesus was also fully human.

I thought Jesus = God? (ie the trinity). or is that not true?
 
sanctus
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by gc View Post

I thought Jesus = God? (ie the trinity). or is that not true?

He was of two natures, fully God and fully man..Part of the mystery of faith
 
FUBAR
#6
How do you know you have picked the right god? There are lots of different gods about and even more in the past. You can't all be right can you?
 
sanctus
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by FUBAR View Post

How do you know you have picked the right god? There are lots of different gods about and even more in the past. You can't all be right can you?

He personally came down and told me, ok?
 
BitWhys
#8
He didn't say anything about that 10 spot I owe him, did He?

nice meditation, Padre. thanks.
 
AndyF
#9
We are eternally grateful for all he had done for man.

AndyF
 
snfu73
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus View Post

He personally came down and told me, ok?

Alright Sanctus....I like that answer. It cracked me up...

I saw that my idea wasn't answered to, and I'm not saying that I am right, but it is something that I have thought and wondered about.
 
BitWhys
#11
I'll chime in on that. Shooting the messenger is by no means a modern technique. Jesus himself managed to gun down the best dirt his opponents ever got on him. If he were off his rocker he did a pretty good job of not feeding the wrong story. NOBODY is that lucky.
 
MikeyDB
#12
If Jesus "struggled" it was because his "Father" placed him in the contrary position of both god and human being...representing neither effectively.

It's a myth...god...Jesus....cannibalism as a milestone of faith....

Humanity should have outgrown the god myth but with entire cathedrals of greed and the political sway that can potentially be manifested by the "believer" comminity....

Baaaaa Baaaa Baaaaa

Follow.....don't think for yourself and don't imagine for a moment that the "believer" community won't behave just as corruptly and just as illegally as the system of government you also "believe" in...

Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa
 
gc
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus View Post

He was of two natures, fully God and fully man..Part of the mystery of faith

So, God is fully human? I mean, I've always learned that if a=b, and b=c, then a=c. So, if God=Jesus, and Jesus=Human, then God=Human.
 
MikeyDB
#14
GC

Clearly you don't understand!

When it serves the morality of the believer to call Jesus a divine being...that's what he's called...
When it serves the behorioral conditioning of the believer community to call Jesus a "man" that's what he's called...

Because there isn't an ounce of truth or proof to this myth or any believer mythologies...the believer can pick and choose...can orchestrate the "understanding" of what some gesture or some ascribed statement "means"....

god doesn't like homosexuals...so you can oppress and revile them but Jesus had a female to wash his feet with oil....you make the conclusion....

The god myth like every other religion is a mosaic of pick and choose...of emphasis on one issue or doctrinal point while excluding more inconvenient truths....

It's a shell game...always has been and always will be...
 
snfu73
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by AndyF View Post

We are eternally grateful for all he had done for man.

AndyF

Who is we?
 
look3467
#16
Quote:

Do you have such a luxury? I don't.>>>gopher

Why suppose God provided a vehicle where by we may have safe passage with?

Peace>>>AJ
 
look3467
#17
Find me one individual in all humanity that would stand in the gap between heaven and hell for us?
If you can find Him, then you will know who He is without a doubt!

Is that not the question of the ages?

Peace>>>AJ
 
snfu73
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467 View Post

Find me one individual in all humanity that would stand in the gap between heaven and hell for us?
If you can find Him, then you will know who He is without a doubt!

Is that not the question of the ages?

Peace>>>AJ

I suppose it all depends on definition. If someone on earth who has a positive influence on, say, someone who was in a gang, and got them off the streets and on a more productive path...were they not the gap between heaven and hell for that individual?
 
look3467
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by snfu73 View Post

I suppose it all depends on definition. If someone on earth who has a positive influence on, say, someone who was in a gang, and got them off the streets and on a more productive path...were they not the gap between heaven and hell for that individual?

Good comparison! But the difference is between the spiritual world and the physical world, rather than the physical with the physical.
Yes, we can make life better for ourselves and others by love and kindness, and help alleviate a bit of hell, but after this is the best prise yet, life eternal.
There is no comparison to what we can imagine in earthly terms as to what heaven is like.

Only God Himself could provide a vehicle for us, a body if you will, that body called the church which is the resurrected body of Jesus Christ.

But again, kindness, good will and love does not gap the gulf between the spiritual and the physical.

Peace>>>AJ
 
look3467
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB View Post

GC

Clearly you don't understand!

When it serves the morality of the believer to call Jesus a divine being...that's what he's called...
When it serves the behorioral conditioning of the believer community to call Jesus a "man" that's what he's called...

Because there isn't an ounce of truth or proof to this myth or any believer mythologies...the believer can pick and choose...can orchestrate the "understanding" of what some gesture or some ascribed statement "means"....

god doesn't like homosexuals...so you can oppress and revile them but Jesus had a female to wash his feet with oil....you make the conclusion....

The god myth like every other religion is a mosaic of pick and choose...of emphasis on one issue or doctrinal point while excluding more inconvenient truths....

It's a shell game...always has been and always will be...

Mikey, you make a valid argument. What in fact you are saying is that mankind has made up it’s own thoughts as to who or what God is.
That is why the diversity of beliefs.

But as I see it, God has allowed for all of it; the whole gambit of beliefs and or practices.

He has given license without penalty of eternal separation to us to practice whatever we want.
That was speaking in terms of the eternal here.

Now in terms of the flesh.
As for the physical, well, guess what? We all die, which means that we are accountable for our own sins in the flesh while we are still alive in the flesh.

But in reality whether believed or not, God was in Jesus reconciling the world back unto Himself and no cost to you or I. It is a free gift.

Peace>>>AJ
 
RomSpaceKnight
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by AndyF View Post

We are eternally grateful for all he had done for man.
AndyF


We are eternally ashamed at all that has been done in his name.
 
sanctus
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by look3467 View Post

dy if you will, that body called the church which is the resurrected body of Jesus Christ.

But again, kindness, good will and love does not gap the gulf between the spiritual and the physical.

Peace>>>AJ

With respect, I so wish you'd stop adding your warped theology to Christian threads.
 
sanctus
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB View Post

GC


The god myth like every other religion is a mosaic of pick and choose...of emphasis on one issue or doctrinal point while excluding more inconvenient truths....

It's a shell game...always has been and always will be...

Finding Christianity so beneath your contempt is fine. What interests me is why you would even bother Christian reading posts in the first place, given your supposed aversion to the topic?
 
sanctus
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by gc View Post

So, God is fully human? I mean, I've always learned that if a=b, and b=c, then a=c. So, if God=Jesus, and Jesus=Human, then God=Human.

Remember though, God does not confine himself to human expectations and/or parameters of belief.
 
sanctus
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhys View Post

He didn't say anything about that 10 spot I owe him, did He?

nice meditation, Padre. thanks.

As a matter of fact, he asked you to send it to me When may I expect it to arrive?

P.S. cash or money orders only please...
 
sanctus
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhys View Post

I'll chime in on that. Shooting the messenger is by no means a modern technique. Jesus himself managed to gun down the best dirt his opponents ever got on him. If he were off his rocker he did a pretty good job of not feeding the wrong story. NOBODY is that lucky.

That is a very good point.
 
BitWhys
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by sanctus View Post

As a matter of fact, he asked you to send it to me When may I expect it to arrive?

P.S. cash or money orders only please...

LOL!

you'll have to wait in line just like he did.

 
snfu73
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by BitWhys View Post

I'll chime in on that. Shooting the messenger is by no means a modern technique. Jesus himself managed to gun down the best dirt his opponents ever got on him. If he were off his rocker he did a pretty good job of not feeding the wrong story. NOBODY is that lucky.

There are many schizophrenics that appear to be very on their rocker...their thought processes are greatly altered, but they can still be very sharp and shoot down those who would speaketh against them. I guess the thing is...why do we not believe people today when they say they are the son of god...and really believe it? It just...to me...it makes sense..as a theory...if not a well researched one. I think it is something to consider, based on our current knowledge of various mental illnesses.
 
snfu73
#29
Furthermore...whether he was the son of god or a mentally ill man who could sway alot of people, it isn't saying that he didn't have very worthwhile things to say...if he in fact did say them.
 
gopher
+1
#30
I'll go to any church that will find me a wealthy wife.
 

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