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petros
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#1  Top Rated Post Mar 1st, 2016
RCC says " no f-cking way" in any of their 120 Canadian facilities.

Good for them. There is no shortage of nondenominational bridges to jump off of.
 
TenPenny
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#2

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
I think that's fine; they should be willing to work outside the medicare system, and direct bill the patients anyway.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#3

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

RCC says " no f-cking way" in any of their 120 Canadian facilities.

Good for them. There is no shortage of nondenominational bridges to jump off of.

Agreed. A church-owned hospital isn't obligated to provide services that conflict with the church's dogma.
 
Twila
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#4

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Agreed. A church-owned hospital isn't obligated to provide services that conflict with the church's dogma.

Except they're not church owned hospitals.
 
WLDB
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#5

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
If they want to make their own rules fine. Cut off the public funding. They can go their own way.
 
petros
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#6

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Except they're not church owned hospitals.

No? The 120 facilities they own are owned by? Gumboot the beer god?

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB View Post

If they want to make their own rules fine. Cut off the public funding. They can go their own way.

Closing ERs and hospitals is genius, pure genius.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#7

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Except they're not church owned hospitals.

Well, if they're not, that's a different story.
 
MHz
#8

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

RCC says " no f-cking way" in any of their 120 Canadian facilities.

Good for them. There is no shortage of nondenominational bridges to jump off of.

Just the same I'm going to read the fine print from now on.
 
Twila
+2
#9

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

No? The 120 facilities they own are owned by? Gumboot the beer god?


Petros, if you want to discuss this we can, but ifn' your game is to play the pigeon on a chess board, I'm not interested.
 
eh1eh
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Agreed. A church-owned hospital isn't obligated to provide services that conflict with the church's dogma.


Ya, even if it's against the law. Religion is the law, in some places, like ISIS Caliphate.



Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Except they're not church owned hospitals.


Ya, it's technicality we have here in Canada. No fukking private hospitals, especially human rights denying ones.
 
Twila
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#11

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well, if they're not, that's a different story.

the Catholic hospitals in BC are governed by Providence Health care and they are a non-profit organization, providing services in partnership with the Vancouver Coastal Health and the Provincial Health Services Authority.

Their accountability is to the public they serve.

PROVIDENCE HEALTH CARE OPERATIONS

Per their website:
Our organization operates under an agreement between the Province of British Columbia and the Denominational Health Association. The agreement recognizes the rights of owners of denominational care facilities to own, manage and operate their respective facilities and carry out their respective religious missions. It obligates the owners to meet provincial standards and national accreditation for health care, meet the conditions of any agreements with teaching facilities and plan and deliver health care services in collaboration with other health bodies.

Providence Health Care have stated regarding doctor assisted death that:

that while the organization currently forbids the practice, it will monitor and conform to the law as it takes shape. Providence operates 10 facilities, including St. Paul's, the only hospital in Vancouver's West End.


My understanding is that since they are funded by the gov't of Canada, they must abide by the rules of the land regardless of what their religious convictions. Just like any other religion must abide by the rules of the land in which it resides.

A doctor does not have to provide the services, but the hospital itself can not prevent another non RCC doctor from being involved. Not all employees at those particular hospitals are of that religious persuasion and the hospital is not allowed to discriminate against any other faith or lack of faith.
 
eh1eh
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well, if they're not, that's a different story.


All hospitals in Canada are public non profit institutions.

And we are so fortunate because of that.
 
petros
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#13

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

Petros, if you want to discuss this we can, but ifn' your game is to play the pigeon on a chess board, I'm not interested.

Look, there is an obvious reason they said no way in their 120 Canadian healthcare facilities because they own and operate them. There is no game Missy. Just fact.
 
Twila
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
A retired Calgary psychologist in the final stages of ALS is believed to be the first person in Canada outside of Quebec to be allowed to legally end her life with help from a doctor.

Alberta Court of Queen's Bench Justice Sheila Martin granted the application in a written decision released on Tuesday after hearing arguments at an in-camera hearing last Thursday.

The woman at the heart of the Calgary case is called Ms. S. in order to protect her privacy. She is in constant pain, almost completely paralyzed and has been told the disease will kill her within about six months.

"I do not wish to have continued suffering and to die of this illness by choking," wrote Ms. S. in one of her two affidavits. "I feel that my time has come to go in peace."

The judge found Ms. S. had met her burden as she is a competent adult with a "grievous and irremediable medical condition" that causes intolerable suffering that can't be alleviated and who clearly consents to the termination of life.

Under Canada's current law, it is still a crime to assist another person in ending their life but two recent decisions at the Supreme Court allow exemptions if certain criteria are met.

In January, the country's highest court granted the constitutional exemption to those who make an application in superior court and are found to have met the criteria until new legislation is crafted in June.

"This is the first application of its kind in this province and no applications from other Canadian jurisdictions have been brought to my attention," Martin writes.

Quebec's provincial assisted dying law came into effect on Dec. 10, 2015. A Quebec City woman who died with the assistance of a doctor became the first known case in January, followed by at least 10 others in that province.

'I would like to pass away peacefully'

A retired clinical psychologist, Ms. S. worked in the health-care system in Calgary for 38 years. She was an avid hiker and an award-winning dancer.

Diagnosed with ALS — a degenerative neurological disease — in April 2013, she is now in its final stages.

"I am not suffering from anxiety or depression or fear of death," wrote Ms. S. in one of two affidavits. "I would like to pass away peacefully and am hoping to have physician-assisted death soon."

Though she is mentally alert, she is almost completely paralyzed, only able to move her left hand slightly. That movement provides her only means to communicate but is quickly slipping away.

"She is in significant pain and requires constant care and support," reads Martin's decision. "She has lost the ability to pursue the independent life she so valued."

Ms. S. wakes several times through the night with bouts of choking on her own saliva.

The rest...

Physician-assisted suicide granted to Calgary woman in Canadian 1st outside Quebec - Calgary - CBC News

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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Look, there is an obvious reason they said no way in their 120 Canadian healthcare facilities because they own and operate them. There is no game Missy. Just fact.


Missy...
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh View Post

All hospitals in Canada are public non profit institutions.

And we are so fortunate because of that.

Not sure about that. 90% of the hospitals in Japan are privately owned, and they provide high-quality service at reasonable prices (Japan has a mandatory insurance scheme and price regulation).

Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh View Post

All hospitals in Canada are public non profit institutions.

And we are so fortunate because of that.

Who owns 'em?
 
gerryh
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Board of directors

Providence Health Care Society | Providence Health Care
 
taxslave
#17

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

the Catholic hospitals in BC are governed by Providence Health care and they are a non-profit organization, providing services in partnership with the Vancouver Coastal Health and the Provincial Health Services Authority.

Their accountability is to the public they serve.

PROVIDENCE HEALTH CARE OPERATIONS

Per their website:
Our organization operates under an agreement between the Province of British Columbia and the Denominational Health Association. The agreement recognizes the rights of owners of denominational care facilities to own, manage and operate their respective facilities and carry out their respective religious missions. It obligates the owners to meet provincial standards and national accreditation for health care, meet the conditions of any agreements with teaching facilities and plan and deliver health care services in collaboration with other health bodies.

Providence Health Care have stated regarding doctor assisted death that:

that while the organization currently forbids the practice, it will monitor and conform to the law as it takes shape. Providence operates 10 facilities, including St. Paul's, the only hospital in Vancouver's West End.


My understanding is that since they are funded by the gov't of Canada, they must abide by the rules of the land regardless of what their religious convictions. Just like any other religion must abide by the rules of the land in which it resides.

A doctor does not have to provide the services, but the hospital itself can not prevent another non RCC doctor from being involved. Not all employees at those particular hospitals are of that religious persuasion and the hospital is not allowed to discriminate against any other faith or lack of faith.

Except some of them refuse to do abortions.
 
petros
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 1st, 2016
Damn rights because the law says they don't have to just like they won't have to do assisted suicides.

The Right to choose can't be thumped.

Ottawa
Bruyère Continuing Care, Ottawa’s biggest palliative care hospital, says it will not offer doctor-assisted death to eligible patients, limiting options in the city as the practice becomes legal across Canada.
Because the Catholic hospital is effectively the city’s centre of excellence in palliative care, Bruyère is likely to become a local pressure point for the way doctor assisted death translates from law to practice in Canada. The federal government is expected to have a law in place by early June.

Bruyère is one of 21 publicly funded Catholic health institutions in Ontario, including St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto, Pembroke Regional Hospital, nursing homes and others administered by the Catholic Health Sponsors of Ontario.

The religious health authority says doctor-assisted death is incompatible with its values. The organization says provincial law allows its organizations to refuse doctor assisted death.

But Dying With Dignity Canada, which has fought for physician assisted dying, says it is not acceptable for entire organizations to conscientiously object to it.

“We believe that all publicly funded institutions, including Catholic hospitals, hospices and health authorities need to respect Canadians’ charter rights for assisted death if the person meets the eligibility criteria,” said Shanaaz Gokool, chief executive officer of Dying With Dignity Canada. “We see this to be one of the most critical issues around access. And for some people, it may be where the rubber hits the road.”

Because the Catholic hospital is effectively the city’s centre of excellence in palliative care, Bruyère is likely to become a local pressure point for the way doctor assisted death translates from law to practice in Canada. The federal government is expected to have a law in place by early June.

Bruyère is one of 21 publicly funded Catholic health institutions in Ontario, including St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto, Pembroke Regional Hospital, nursing homes and others administered by the Catholic Health Sponsors of Ontario.

The religious health authority says doctor-assisted death is incompatible with its values. The organization says provincial law allows its organizations to refuse doctor assisted death.

But Dying With Dignity Canada, which has fought for physician assisted dying, says it is not acceptable for entire organizations to conscientiously object to it.

“We believe that all publicly funded institutions, including Catholic hospitals, hospices and health authorities need to respect Canadians’ charter rights for assisted death if the person meets the eligibility criteria,” said Shanaaz Gokool, chief executive officer of Dying With Dignity Canada. “We see this to be one of the most critical issues around access. And for some people, it may be where the rubber hits the road.”

Catholic hospital, the biggest palliative care centre in Ottawa, says it won’t offer doctor-assisted death
 
Frankiedoodle
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Mar 2nd, 2016
Why fight the wishes of those who want to die.
I understand that we need to protect the weakest in our society but really, is there anyway to avoid death. Won't we all need to face it.
Why not on our own terms.j
 
darkbeaver
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 2nd, 2016
There is a way to avoid death.
 
Frankiedoodle
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 3rd, 2016
How is death avoided.
 
Twila
#22

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 3rd, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

How is death avoided.

There is this company called Humai, they're working on downloading your personality into a computer...and for body issues, getting a replacement body.

Humai - Transcending Human Biology Through Robotics

But other then that there is no way to avoid brain death. You atoms live on but your you-ness ends, imo
 
Sparrow
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 3rd, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

RCC says " no f-cking way" in any of their 120 Canadian facilities.

Good for them. There is no shortage of nondenominational bridges to jump off of.

Made a mistake in my vote, tried to edit but could not.

There is another point that needs to be considered. The doctors, when the diagnose an incurable disease and they want to treat I think
the patient should have the right if he want some treatment but with the option that when they have had enough they can choose to dye with dignity. Why is it we have more pity and love for animals then humans?
 
JLM
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#24

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 3rd, 2016
[QUOTE=Sparrow;2258250 Why is it we have more pity and love for animals then (sic) humans?[/QUOTE]


Because the cost of a vet is higher than that of a doctor??
 
davesmom
#25

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 4th, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Frankiedoodle View Post

Why fight the wishes of those who want to die.
I understand that we need to protect the weakest in our society but really, is there anyway to avoid death. Won't we all need to face it.
Why not on our own terms.j

Many people go through periods of deep depression when they may think they have nothing to live for but it's temporary, it passes and the person goes on to live a happy productive life. Furthermore, it is unconscionable to allow a mentally incompetent person to legally demand assisted suicide!
I think this law is totally unnecessary and an infringement of government into personal lives. If a person really wants to end his life there are ways he can do it himself or he can simply refuse treatment.
There are already ways that a terminally ill person can 'let go' when it is deemed by the person, the family and the doctors that it is best.
The SC took on more than they were morally and legally mandated to do by saying this law had to be passed. Shame on them!
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 4th, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post

Why is it we have more pity and love for animals then humans?

Animals are nice. And increasingly rare.
 
petros
#27

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 4th, 2016
Why on earth would you ever demand a human kill another human?

That is some of the cruellest and cowardly sh-t I've ever heard.

If you think you, a friend or relative is hating life so much that death is the only answer, do it yourself or for a friend or relative.

A Dr is not necessary.

What are you afraid of?
 
Twila
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 4th, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Animals are nice. And increasingly rare.


too bad humans forget that they're just animals too. Probably why I like babies, toddlers and small children. They ain't playing at being anything but what they are. Young children are the best people. Adults seem to have lost their way for the most part and are far to insecure to be much fun.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 4th, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Why on earth would you ever demand a human kill another human?

That is some of the cruellest and cowardly sh-t I've ever heard.

Soldiers are cruel and cowardly?

OK, thanks.
 
MHz
#30

Re: Dr Assisted Suicide and RCC Healthcare

Mar 4th, 2016
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Why on earth would you ever demand a human kill another human?

What are you afraid of?

Getting a note from my Dr saying I was the best choice to a 'free suicide kit'.
 

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