WE really need to get rid of this guy


Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
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#241
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The public service cannot administer it.

Uhh yeah. As Head of the Federal Public Service, the Clerk ensures that the Government of Canada is equipped to design and deliver high-quality programs and services to and for Canadians. Failure #1.



Failure #2.) How exactly could an organization that was in trouble with its bankers, had much of its assets tied up in real estate and laid off most of its employees deliver a $912-million program?
And how is it that the top public servants never wondered why the board of WE Charity had recently resigned and been replaced or why it reported in its 2019 financial statements that it had breached its bank covenants?


Easy, the top public servants are Groper cronies and WE was going tits up. A nice infusion of cash would have kept it afloat.


And finally, why the hell were the Trudeau's taking money from a charity for appearances? Mr "Woke" and family think they should be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars from charities they speak at. That's not very charitable. Especially when fees were STILL being paid AFTER Groper became PM.


So to sum up, you shit your britches every time Trump sneezes but our own PM now caught 3 times in a conflict of interest situation, (along with his attempt to obstruct justice), a Finance Minister now caught twice in a conflict of interest situation, with neither of them learning a goddam thing since their first one because a $500 fine per incident is a complete f*cking joke. Groper would have to speak at a WE charity event for 3 minutes to make that back. Poor guy.
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Hoid
#242
Here is Trudeau's testimony -

https://globalnews.ca/news/7237777/t...ity-takeaways/

Trudeau said he had originally expected the Canada Service Corps to deliver the program, which would have given grants to students and graduates for volunteering to help with lost job opportunities due to the COVID-19 pandemic-related shutdown.

However, the public service advised the Canada Service Corps, a youth volunteer service program created by the Liberals in 2018, was unable to scale up fast enough to deliver the emergency grant program in time to help students affected by the struggling economy this year.

That’s why the public service came back on May 21 to reaffirm its recommendation that WE was the only organization that could run the student-volunteer program, Trudeau said.

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Now, if this is not true then every member of that cabinet is aware of the lie, because he learned of it at the same time and place as they did.

Does it matter that right wing fanatics are lying about this on the internet.

No.

The only thing that matters is attacking Trudeau for the slightest political gain.

That's why you are all so laughable.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+3
#243
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#244
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Here is Trudeau's testimony -

https://globalnews.ca/news/7237777/t...ity-takeaways/

Trudeau said he had originally expected the Canada Service Corps to deliver the program, which would have given grants to students and graduates for volunteering to help with lost job opportunities due to the COVID-19 pandemic-related shutdown.

However, the public service advised the Canada Service Corps, a youth volunteer service program created by the Liberals in 2018, was unable to scale up fast enough to deliver the emergency grant program in time to help students affected by the struggling economy this year.

That’s why the public service came back on May 21 to reaffirm its recommendation that WE was the only organization that could run the student-volunteer program, Trudeau said.

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Now, if this is not true then every member of that cabinet is aware of the lie, because he learned of it at the same time and place as they did.

Does it matter that right wing fanatics are lying about this on the internet.

No.

The only thing that matters is attacking Trudeau for the slightest political gain.

That's why you are all so laughable.

And of course you 100% believe Prince Groper's testimony. So what was his pathetic excuse for not recusing himself? He forgot? He didn't know, failing to learn from Morneau's first attempt at that shit? Is he really that monumentally stupid, or just utterly corrupt?
 
JamesBondo
+1
#245
unlike the adscam where millions of dollars of taxpayer money was never returned, the Harper PMO scandal actually did return the money, I wonder if Trudeau will return the money. Any guesses on that one?
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Hoid
#246
Who really gets hurt by the We charity political football game?

https://www.manitoulin.ca/we-charity...ful-islanders/

It's the people who were trying to access the grant money.

Justin Trudeau is the target, but they are the collateral damage, and the opposition prefers to concentrate are their massive one point gain in the polls.

If you manage to ruin one plan are you not supposed to have an alternative lined up?

Or is it just like the republicans tearing down Obamacare and having no idea what to replace it with?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#247
Um. . . Mr. Prime Minister?

That ain't how you spell "Wheeeeeee!"

Bet you're pretty red in the face, but I can't tell what with the shoe polish.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#248
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Who really gets hurt by the We charity political football game?

https://www.manitoulin.ca/we-charity...ful-islanders/

It's the people who were trying to access the grant money.

Justin Trudeau is the target, but they are the collateral damage, and the opposition prefers to concentrate are their massive one point gain in the polls.

If you manage to ruin one plan are you not supposed to have an alternative lined up?

Or is it just like the republicans tearing down Obamacare and having no idea what to replace it with?

Oh f*ck off already. Once again, "As the Head of the Federal Public Service, the Clerk ensures that the Government of Canada is equipped to design and deliver high-quality programs and services to and for Canadians." I guess the student summer employment program isn't a high enough quality program for the Public Service to give a shit about. Seems like the Clerk is about as incompetent as the rest of Team Groper.


And just for clarification, designing and delivering high quality programs does NOT mean fobbing it off on some shell corporation of a charity that is going bankrupt.


Yep, let's all blame the opposition parties for the mess. Let's all blame the opposition parties for the Clerk being incompetent at their job. Let's all blame the the opposition parties for Groper appointing the incompetent boob to the position. Let's all the blame the opposition parties for Groper and Morneau's close ties and association with WE. Let's all blame the opposition parties for Groper and Morneau not recusing themselves, even though they're SUPPOSED to f*cking know better. Let's all blame the opposition parties for students signing up for farm work and then not showing up or quitting after an hour, and then listen to you cry about how the students really, really need this money. Too bad several of them just don't wanna earn it though.





It's astounding really, considering that Groper has managed to continually step all over his own dick since day 1, you keep trying to blame others for his colossal cock ups. Pathetic.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#249
Conservatives ask watchdog to investigate if WE's student grant application portal breached privacy laws

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OTTAWA – Conservatives are asking the Privacy Commissioner to investigate if the online platform used by WE Charity to process applications to the Canada Student Grant Program violated federal privacy laws by potentially storing their data abroad.

“When Canadians sign up for taxpayer-funded programs, there is a reasonable assumption that their data is kept within Canada and will be protected under Canadian privacy law,” Conservative MPs Michelle Rempel Garner and Michael Barrett wrote in a letter to Commissioner Daniel Therrien’s office Wednesday.

At issue for the Conservatives is the website IWantToHelp.org, set up by WE Charity to receive applications to the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG).

According to a Toronto Sun report last week, U.S.-based company JazzHR operated the application portal for the program, which promised to pay eligible students between $1,000 and $5,000 for volunteer work done until the end of October.

Before it pulled out of its controversial deal to run the CSSG with the Trudeau government in early July, WE says over 35,000 Canadian students had signed up to the program.

To apply for the CSSG, students had to provide their full name, email address, phone number, address, date of birth, Canadian citizenship status, school status and language of preference.

No students participated in WE-run program, Liberals say, to surprise of charity that hired nine students
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Controversy over grants program may destroy WE, Kielburger brothers tell parliamentary committee
According to the Toronto Sun report, the application website’s terms of reference warned that the data submitted through the portal could both be sent to a third-party organization and be stored in servers outside of Canada, such as in the U.S. or the U.K.......More

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Responding to questions about its commitment to reimburse every penny of the $30 million already paid by the Trudeau government for it to administer the CSSG, WE told the National Post that it had already sent back $22 million.

Any taxpayer moneys left in their accounts are waiting for government approval to be sent over, the Toronto-based organization added.

“WE Charity is in the process of returning all of the funds. It has thus far returned $22M of the $30M, which was received. WE Charity has repeatedly communicated to ESDC the desire to return the remaining funds as soon as the government is able to accept the transfer,” WE Charity responded in a separate statement on Wednesday.......More

 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#250
Saskatchewan government drops contract with WE Charity over controversy

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REGINA — Saskatchewan is the latest province to cut ties with WE Charity, as the organization deals with fallout from a controversial contract with the federal government.

The Saskatchewan Party government had planned to partner with the organization on a $260,000 deal to promote mental well-being in schools.

The Opposition NDP raised concerns about that decision, pointing out that Premier Scott Moe and his wife had travelled to Kenya last year as guests of one of the charity's founders.

Education Minister Gord Wyant says the contract was paused and won't move ahead......More

 
Mowich
Conservative
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#251
Joe Oliver: Is there enough room under the bus for all the WE scandal's victims?

Leadership means taking responsibility for mistakes and not scapegoating subordinates. Trudeau’s defence strategy is neither credible nor admirable

So many implausible, self-serving and illogical explanations have been advanced to defend the prime minister’s involvement with the WE Charity student program that it is difficult to decide which to reject first. One evident purpose for all the imaginative argumentation from politicians, political operatives and public servants is to defend themselves by targeting victims, guilty or not, and throw them under the bus. The other is to hurl mess against the wall and hope the distasteful spectacle will divert the public from a central indisputable reality: Justin Trudeau and his government supported a massive sole-source contract with a financially troubled labyrinthian charitable/for profit conglomerate with which he, his relatives, several cabinet colleagues and senior political staff had close relationships — the Conflict of Interest Act and perhaps even the Criminal Code be damned.

I say “indisputable” because none of the convoluted justifications contradicts that reality. The Ethics Commissioner, and perhaps the RCMP, will determine whether statutes have been breached. Meanwhile, a heavy political penalty is being levied on Trudeau’s popularity, which, according to Angus Reid, is now 54 per cent unfavourable and just 44 per cent favourable, reflecting, no doubt, the cumulative impact of his previous behavioural lapses and ethical violations.

Let’s dispose of some of the detritus that poses as argument. Ian Shugart, Clerk of the Privy Council, has made several dubious comments, possibly intended to help his political masters, but which, ironically, assisted the PM in throwing the civil service to the wolves. His statement that “the prime minister’s involvement with the charity over a long period of time was of course in the public domain” seemed to imply the PM was somehow sanitized because everyone knew about the conflict. That is inconsistent with both conflict-of-interest law and common sense.

And in fact Shugart had not known the PM’s mother and brother had received payments for speeches from WE Charity or that Morneau’s family was involved (under the bus you go, minister). Yet Trudeau claimed he asked the public service to do due diligence after he had been shocked, shocked to first learn about WE’s proposal.

Shugart could not imagine how the government could go ahead without the involvement of the PM and minister of finance. What are the deputy PM and associate finance minister, chopped liver? If the big boys were so critical of such a highly problematic decision, the obvious course was to say no. There was also an absence of the most elementary due diligence into WE’s financial problems (including breach of its banking covenants) and governance (with almost the entire board having resigned or been dismissed). Either could have been a fatal impediment if uncovered earlier. Shugart’s seeming reluctance to learn too much about things that might be uncomfortable to confront raises questions about his own performance.

I doubt the PM’s first clerk, Janice Charette, would have remained silent. But she was moved out in 2016 (because it was 2016?), despite her competence, perhaps because Trudeau was not interested in a bureaucrat with backbone. If fear of pushback was indeed part of moving her off to be High Commissioner to the U.K., this early sidelining of a strong woman was remarkably short-sighted: a principled civil service can protect a government by speaking truth to power.

Last week, parliamentarians were treated to audacious new arguments from the PM and his chief of staff, Katie Telford. With straight faces, they claimed to have been unaware of the WE proposal for weeks. It strains credulity that a $910-million program was pursued without the PM or his office knowing, especially given their closeness to the sponsor. In my experience, that is not the way government works.

An even bigger nose-stretcher is that, when he finally found out, Trudeau was so troubled that he “pushed back” on the idea. It is passing strange that neither he nor any of his acolytes bothered to tell the public he had raised the “perception” problem, which would have reassured us earlier he is an exemplar of moral rectitude.

After an apparently superficial investigation, the public service presented the decision as binary: either WE administers the program or it isn’t done. So Trudeau felt he had to go ahead, and decided he might as well vote for it in spite of his acknowledged conflicts. As Brian Mulroney told John Turner in a knockout debate blow in 1984, “You had an option, sir — to say no.” And there were obvious alternatives to WE, including the civil service, which, with summer halfway over, is trying to salvage the Student Service Grant.

The PM’s latest tall tale would have the public service and possibly his minister of finance take the fall. How promising for Mark Carney, especially if Bill Morneau can be persuaded to resign his safe Toronto Centre seat. Sorry, Chrystia Freeland, your coronation may be contested.

Leadership means taking responsibility for mistakes and not scapegoating subordinates. Trudeau’s defence strategy is neither credible nor admirable.

financialpost.com/opinion/joe-oliver-is-there-enough-room-under-the-bus-for-all-the-we-scandals-victims/
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#252
Liberal MPs grill charity watchdog that has been critical of WE during latest committee meeting

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OTTAWA – Liberal MPs spent most of their time during the parliamentary committee meeting on Thursday questioning the credibility of a charity watchdog that has been very critical of the WE organization.

During a two-hour meeting that suffered a near-hour-long delay because of internet server issues, executives at Charity Intelligence Canada (CI) — a four-person charity that analyzes and ranks other charities based on their financial statements — faced numerous questions about the “red flags” it has raised in the past regarding the WE organization’s corporate structure and financial situation.

The organization’s managing director Kate Bahen has very publicly questioned the Liberal government’s decision to outsource the $912-billion Canada Student Service Grant to WE Charity. Among the issues raised by Bahen was that WE was recently in breach of its bank covenants, and there were “blurred lines” between WE Charity and the for-profit enterprise ME to WE.

But Bahen also faced an unexpected grilling from Liberal MPs on the quality of the watchdog’s work, their ability to properly analyze any charity, as well as their past track record.

The questions began with Liberal MP Francesco Sorbara, who asked Bahen about a past apology she had to make to True North Youth Foundation, as well as the fact that one member of their team had donated “substantial sums” to the Conservative Party in the past.

He also wondered why CI had lost its charitable status back in 2012.

“I appreciate the, the work you’re doing at Charity Intelligence, it’s important,” Sorbara said. “But there’s a double-edged sword because when you make a wrong call, you can actually hurt a charity significantly. Because I don’t know who’s doing the due diligence on Charity Intelligence. And you have had to apologize in the past when you’ve made that wrong call and the damage was done.”

Government could have 'asked questions' about WE, charity watchdog group tells Commons' committee
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Bahen responded that the only mistake she made regarding True North Youth Foundation was a “very rude comment” on a radio show for which she later apologized, but that there were no mistakes in CI’s research into the charity.

Kate Bahen did confirm that her organization had lost its charitable status “for one day,” and chalked that up to a delay in sending in CI’s annual returns to the Canada Revenue Agency. “It was a hard lesson learned well,” she noted.....More

 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#253
Cabinet ministers to appear at House of Commons committee investigating WE Charity deal

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Two Liberal cabinet ministers will appear next week before a House of Commons committee investigating the government's decision to have the WE Charity administer its now-aborted student volunteer program.

Minister of Employment Carla Qualtrough and Minister of Small Business Mary Ng both have appeared on the notice of Wednesday's meeting of the finance committee, which was posted on Friday. They are each scheduled to speak for one hour.

Benoît Robidoux, the associate deputy minister at the Department of Employment and Social Development, is also scheduled to appear.

The government has been embroiled in controversy ever since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced that WE would administer the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG) in June. The program was meant to provide eligible students with grants of up to $5,000 in exchange for volunteer service.

The sole-sourced agreement with WE was to pay one of its foundations up to $43.5 million to administer the program, for which the government budgeted $912 million.

WE withdrew from the agreement amid a public outcry over the organization's ties to Trudeau and members of his family, who have received speaking fees from the group totalling more than $500,000.

Opposition politicians have accused Trudeau and Finance Minister Bill Morneau of being in a conflict of interest by participating in the cabinet decision to have WE Charity administer the student grants. .....More