Capitalism will save this world


Cliffy
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#2401
Humans Aren’t Inherently Destroying the Planet — Capitalism Is

ne of the biggest ironies of the right-wing trope accusing socialists of wanting “free stuff” is that in reality, the entire capitalist economy would immediately collapse if it couldn’t continue to rely on free stuff. Without free or artificially cheap access to things like natural resources, care work, labor and a whole array of other elements, capitalism could not stay afloat. In fact, the only way that capitalism was ever able to even emerge was through a process of “primitive accumulation” — where things like slavery and colonialism were utilized to extract free labor and resources. It’s this oft-forgotten history that compelled Raj Patel and Jason W. Moore to write History of the World in Seven Cheap Things: A Guide to Capitalism, Nature, and the Future of the Planet . The book unpacks our modern capitalist world by tracing the fraught history of how seven elements — nature, money, work, care, food, energy and lives — were transformed and reshaped during the emergence of capitalism and up through to the modern day.
Truthout spoke with the book’s co-author Raj Patel, an activist and academic, about why the authors are calling the new geological era that we’re in the “Capitalocene,” and how this era has led to a complete transformation of how we view some of the most important elements in our lives, and what we can do about it.


More: https://truthout.org/articles/humans...capitalism-is/
 
Girth
+3 / -1
#2402
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Humans Aren’t Inherently Destroying the Planet — Capitalism Is

Oh Cliffy!

You are so on the Autism spectrum.
 
Cliffy
#2403
 
petros
+5
#2404
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Was Marx a part of it all? Are we well educated enough? “The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle class—the bulwark of a capitalist system—that would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism.”
Karl Marx Was Right
More: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/ka...x-was-right-2/

You dont work. You're not even in the Proletariat comrade. You'd be sent to a labour camp and rewarded with death like all the other lunatiks.
 
petros
+2
#2405
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

Oh Cliffy!
You are so on the Autism spectrum.

He's a LABIA member. Lakes Area Brain Injury Association.
 
Cliffy
#2406
See, I irritated one.
 
NZDoug
+1
#2407
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

He's a LABIA member. Lakes Area Brain Injury Association.

Grabem by da pussy
 
Girth
+2
#2408
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You dont work. You're not even in the Proletariat comrade. You'd be sent to a labour camp and rewarded with death like all the other lunatiks.

What are their social programs like? Perhaps they would show Cliffy mercy, considering his difficulties integrating into society.
 
petros
+4
#2409
Socialist programming.
 
Walter
+3
#2410
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Humans Aren’t Inherently Destroying the Planet — Capitalism Is
ne of the biggest ironies of the right-wing trope accusing socialists of wanting “free stuff” is that in reality, the entire capitalist economy would immediately collapse if it couldn’t continue to rely on free stuff. Without free or artificially cheap access to things like natural resources, care work, labor and a whole array of other elements, capitalism could not stay afloat. In fact, the only way that capitalism was ever able to even emerge was through a process of “primitive accumulation” — where things like slavery and colonialism were utilized to extract free labor and resources. It’s this oft-forgotten history that compelled Raj Patel and Jason W. Moore to write History of the World in Seven Cheap Things: A Guide to Capitalism, Nature, and the Future of the Planet . The book unpacks our modern capitalist world by tracing the fraught history of how seven elements — nature, money, work, care, food, energy and lives — were transformed and reshaped during the emergence of capitalism and up through to the modern day.
Truthout spoke with the book’s co-author Raj Patel, an activist and academic, about why the authors are calling the new geological era that we’re in the “Capitalocene,” and how this era has led to a complete transformation of how we view some of the most important elements in our lives, and what we can do about it.
More: https://truthout.org/articles/humans...capitalism-is/

Prog shit. The more capitalist a country is the less polluted it is.
 
Hoid
#2411
The more capitalist.

Classic
 
Cliffy
+1 / -1
#2412
 
Walter
+3
#2413
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Prog shit. People with money use it by either buying things for themselves and others or investing it. The invested money is putting people to work. Hording is putting money under the mattress, there it does no one any good.
 
Danbones
+2
#2414
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Karl Marx Was Right

NOPE! Marx was LEFT!!!

duh!

Then his followers killed half a billion of their own gun free citizens over 150 years.

WHY don't you go live there Clifford?
 
captain morgan
+4
#2415
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Was Marx a part of it all? Are we well educated enough? “The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle class—the bulwark of a capitalist system—that would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism.”



Karl Marx Was Right

More: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/ka...x-was-right-2/


Had to chuckle about the sentence: "It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens."

Fact is, under a Marxist system, no one is able to access the debt markets and the State never has the capital to 'serve the needs of ordinary citizens' thereby assigning the great unwashed to a fate of grinding poverty right from the get-go



The Marxist systems has not worked anywhere it has been instituted.


The flaw in your logic to support this ideology is that Marxism would result in a situation that would accelerate the masses to the depths of poverty far faster than any other practice going.
 
pgs
+2
#2416
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Except that is not how life works . You make $10 . The various levels of government take half . You spend $5 for a hot dog at the street vendor . That cost him a buck and change , the governments take $1.75 leaving him $2 , so he walks home to pay the babysitter and she takes the $2 to the government pot shop and spends it . So of your ten dollars the government ends up with $9 and you get a hot dog . The baby sitter does get a buzz though .
 
pgs
+1
#2417
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Had to chuckle about the sentence: "It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens."

Fact is, under a Marxist system, no one is able to access the debt markets and the State never has the capital to 'serve the needs of ordinary citizens' thereby assigning the great unwashed to a fate of grinding poverty right from the get-go



The Marxist systems has not worked anywhere it has been instituted.


The flaw in your logic to support this ideology is that Marxism would result in a situation that would accelerate the masses to the depths of poverty far faster than any other practice going.

We pretend to work and the government pretends to pay us .
 
Twin_Moose
+3
#2418
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Using your example Cliffy can you see how big Government would love this? Taxing the same $10 bill over and over again, by keeping the masses poor, and living hand to mouth, is the easiest way to control them.
 
Hoid
#2419
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

This is especially true when something like a corporation gets that $10.

When Exxon gets $10 of profit that $10 it simply goes toward keeping that gigantic corporation waddling along.

Imagine all that oil profit going to someone like Elon Musk or Steve Jobs or even Harbour Air.
 
petros
+4
#2420
Wow. You have no clue.

If they want Exxons money, they can buy shares and get paid dividends.
 
VIBC
+1
#2421
Cliffy, thanks for posting these references. I have the book coming from the library.

History of the World in Seven Cheap Things: A Guide to Capitalism, Nature, and the Future of the Planet .

https://truthout.org/articles/humans...capitalism-is/
 
VIBC
+1
#2422
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Once the air is borderline breathable, how hard is it for every city to slap a massive air filtration system?

- Very, very hard.
- Do you expect people outside cities, or maybe just outside, to be stuck with the borderline breathable air?

Oh, there I go again, trying to answer questions that are too silly to answer; Duh!
 
VIBC
#2423
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Except that is not how life works . You make $10 . The various levels of government take half . You spend $5 for a hot dog at the street vendor . That cost him a buck and change , the governments take $1.75 leaving him $2 , so he walks home to pay the babysitter and she takes the $2 to the government pot shop and spends it . So of your ten dollars the government ends up with $9 and you get a hot dog . The baby sitter does get a buzz though .

That's a pretty gross exaggeration for the sake of making a point, but IF "the government ends up with $9", that $9 will also be spent - again - as part of the economic round-and-round-she-goes-again. How the govt spends that money is sure a subject for big discussion but it's not gone. It's still 'ours' although we've mostly lost control of how it will - or won't - benefit any of us individually.

I assume we could all agree that government is necessary and that it needs money to operate and regulate?
 
Mowich
+1
#2424
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

But.............but what about native culture, Cliffy........you know...........the culture you support 100%.
 
Mowich
+2
#2425
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

China doesn't give a damn what you think, Cliffy............they'll keep on exploiting their workers no matter how loudly you complain.
 
Mowich
+2
#2426
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post


So it is all the fault of banks that some people choose to overspend their budgets in order to buy shit that they don't need and will more than likely replace as soon as the newest model hits the shelves? Yeah right, Cliffy.
 
Mowich
+1
#2427
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post


Gee, and I always thought it was a tale of redemption. One that illustrates the fact that some people can be persuaded to 'see the light' and alter their selfish ways thus becoming a caring giving person.
 
Cliffy
#2428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SaeyUSiFW4
 
petros
+4
#2429
Growing and selling weed illegally is still capitalism.
 
Cliffy
#2430
 

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