Heckler interrupts first Muslim prayer service at Washington cathedral


tay
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A woman shouting “leave our churches alone” disrupted the first Muslim prayer service hosted by Washington National Cathedral.


Planners had said they hoped Friday’s service at the historic cathedral would foster more understanding and acceptance between Christians and Muslims around the world.


The prominent Episcopal cathedral often hosts national events, such as presidential funerals, and has hosted Muslims at various interfaith services in the past. But planners say this is the first time the cathedral has invited Muslims to lead their own prayers there, which they call a “powerful symbolic gesture”.


But just after starting announcements were made, an unidentified woman in the cathedral began shouting: “Why can’t you worship in your mosque … ”


The prominent Episcopal cathedral often hosts national events, such as presidential funerals, and has hosted Muslims at various interfaith services in the past. But planners said this is the first time the cathedral has invited Muslims to lead their own prayers there, which they call a "powerful symbolic gesture.''


Planners said the prayer service developed after the cathedral's liturgical director met South African Ambassador Ebrahim Rasool while planning the national memorial service for Nelson Mandela, the former president of South Africa.






National Cathedral Holds First Muslim Prayer | NBC4 Washington


As the service continued, Rizwan Jacka of Islamic Society of North America called the cathedral a house of prayer for all people.
 
petros
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I hope God was in the bathroom taking a leak when she yelled out.
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I hope God was in the bathroom taking a leak when she yelled out.


I hope not because that's a true face palm moment and that would just be unsanitary.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

A woman shouting “leave our churches alone” disrupted the first Muslim prayer service hosted by Washington National Cathedral.




As the service continued, Rizwan Jacka of Islamic Society of North America called the cathedral a house of prayer for all people.

can we sink any lower?

the ignorance I see expressed on FB on this very issue, by people whom I know to be good people, not well educated, not sophisticated thinkers, but good people, is frightening...unless we get this under control there is much blood shed in our future

people like things "the same", they like people like them, they don't like change...I get all of that but at some point doesn't logic have to win over fear?
 
Blackleaf
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, Rizwan Jacka of Islamic Society of North America called the cathedral a house of prayer for all people.

And he's wrong. It's a house of prayer for Christians.

I also wonder if the Muslims would ever allow a Christian prayer service to take place in a mosque. What do YOU think?
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

And he's wrong. It's a house of prayer for Christians.

I also wonder if the Muslims would ever allow a Christian prayer service to take place in a mosque. What do YOU think?

I think what you expressed and the way you expressed it gives you your answer...some churches and people may be counted upon to be ecumenical...others cannot
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

And he's wrong. It's a house of prayer for Christians.

I also wonder if the Muslims would ever allow a Christian prayer service to take place in a mosque. What do YOU think?

Go to a Mosque and find out.

If I remember right the Temple my cousins go to offers Yoga classes.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Go to a Mosque and find out.


I think we know what the answer will be.
 
petros
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Hello, come in.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

I think what you expressed and the way you expressed it gives you your answer...some churches and people may be counted upon to be ecumenical...others cannot

Ecumenism is unity between CHRISTIAN churches, aimed at greater unity and cooperation between Christian churches, not two different religions. Ecumenism states that there should be a single Christian church rather than several. Allowing Muslims to have a prayer service in a CHRISTIAN place of worship has nothing at all whatsoever to do with ecumenism.

But it's worth asking again: Will a mosque ever allow Christian, or interfaith", worship? I can't see it myself.

Of course, in the modern West it's only Christianity which has to show "tolerance" and "respect" and have "understanding" of other faiths and to open its places of worhips to people of other religions for "'interfaith' worship." Islam is never forced to do any of that.
 
Serryah
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The prominent Episcopal cathedral often hosts national events, such as presidential funerals, and has hosted Muslims at various interfaith services in the past. But planners say this is the first time the cathedral has invited Muslims to lead their own prayers there, which they call a “powerful symbolic gesture”.

Since you missed this part Blackleaf, I bolded it for you.

Muslims have been there before at services, interfaith services at that, so honestly the building isn't just a Christian Church, but a place of worship for many faiths.

Good on them for allowing Muslim prayer; it's all the same God anyway so who cares who leads the prayer service?
 
petros
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Same God. If you really were a Christian you would know that. If Rabbi Karen is teaching Yoga on Shabbat is she bastardizing Judeaism and staining the Synagogue with Hinduism?. A Muzzie saying prayer in a Church is bupkiss.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Muslims have been there before at services, interfaith services at that, so honestly the building isn't just a Christian Church, but a place of worship for many faiths.

What part of "Episcopal cathedral" do you not understand? It's an ANGLICAN CHURCH. It's all there in the article - "episcopal cathedral." It is NOT a mosque, a sinagogue, a temple. It is NOT a place of worship for many faiths. It is a Christian, and Anglican, church. All that's happened is that the PC Brigade have opened its doors to all and sundry and held those silly PC "interfaith" services.

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Good on them for allowing Muslim prayer; it's all the same God anyway so who cares who leads the prayer service?

I'll ask again: Why's it only Christian churches that are forced to hold "interfaith" services and never the places of worhip of anyone else? To be honest, I can't envisage a mosque being forced to hold an "interfaith service." Mosques are forever Muslim-only places, yet Christian places of worship are increasingly being forced to hold "interfaith" services in order to be shown to be PC.

Let a Christian church just be a Christian church for CHRISTIAN worship, please.
 
petros
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Episcopalian churches aren't exactly busting at the seams these days.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Episcopalian churches aren't exactly busting at the seams these days.


It's an episcopalian church. It's not meant for "interfaith" service. Leave it for episcopalian worship.

What is it about the Left that they are so opposed to Christian worship? They tell us we should build more mosques, but then force Christian churches to be "interfaith" rather than just Christian.
 
petros
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You really need to take Rabbi Karen's Yoga classes.

The Left? They are all Catholics remember?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

You really need to take Rabbi Karen's Yoga classes.

The Left? They are all Catholics remember?


An episcopalian church is an episcopalian church. Let's just leave it as an episcopalian church, please. Just leave it alone. It's not an "interfaith" church. It's an episcopalian, Anglican, church.

The Christianophobic Left constantly tells Christians to "learn" and show "respect" to other religions, and now even force them to open their places of worship to Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Jainists, Zoroastrians, Rastafarians, druids and every other religion under the Sun, yet they never expect any of the same from any other religion. They never expect Muslims to "learn" about, and show "respect" to, Christianity, and they never demand that a mosque holds an "interfaith" worship. Not on your nelly. A mosque, of course, is allowed to be exclusively Muslim. As per usual, these demands are only ever asked of Christians, nobody else.

The Left - as is being shown right now, right here, so it's not something I'm imagining - seem rather uncomfortable with Christianity and Christian worship. I never have been able to figure it out.

Maybe it's something to do with the fact that Christianity teaches the values that the Left hates - things like fidelity in marriage (and that's marriage between a man and woman); censorship of sexual content on television; anti-abortion; a love of God.

Christianity teaches the values which make our societies great places to live, and that's maybe the reason why the Left hates Christianity so much.
 
petros
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Really? Ever heard of the United Church?
 
Colpy
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I'm with Blackleaf on this one.

Allowing Muslim prayers in what is supposed to be a Christian church is an absolute disgrace, so incredibly stupid that it beggars the imagination.....
 
petros
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Disgrace to who? God?

Maybe you need Rabbi Karen's Yoga classes too.

Found a link. Yoga Shalom Saturdays at Noon.

Hindu practices are a great way to kill time while spending Shabbat at The Temple.

Calendar | Temple Shalom Winnipeg
Last edited by petros; Nov 16th, 2014 at 09:30 AM..
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

a love of God.

Christianity teaches the values which make our societies great places to live, and that's maybe the reason why the Left hates Christianity so much.

now see, right away we've found a common ground, much of Christian teaching does indeed make our society a great place to live

the church you are wishing to be left alone has chosen to share it's space with another belief system, it's their choice and as such they should be allowed

there are very varied belief systems within the Christian world and ecumenicism is a part of some and something which terrifies some Christian sects I just found out...one website says it is the work of satan...that was interesting
 
petros
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Yoga Shalom sounds fun.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Disgrace to who? God?

Maybe you need Rabbi Karen's Yoga classes to.

Found a link. Saturdays at Noon.

Hindu practices are a great way to kill time while spending Shabbat at The Temple.

Calendar | Temple Shalom Winnipeg

Christianity is Christian......it is the further development of the Jewish tradition, and displaces it........I would not have the Torah read in a Christian church either.

Then we hit Mohammed.....right....let's just turn the church over to the followers of the mad, murderous false prophet.

Heck, next why don't we invite the Wiccans? Then the Satanists?

Ludicrous.
 
petros
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So God will be mad that Muzzies and Chriians are praying together?

Is that the kind of thing that pisses God off?

I doubt He's pissed about Hindu practices in a Synagogue either.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

So God will be mad that Muzzies and Chriians are praying together?

Is that the kind of thing that pisses God off?

I doubt He's pissed about Hindu practices in a Synagogue either.

If it doesn't piss Him off, it should.
 
petros
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I'd say He's pissed at you if pissed about anything.

You,'d best attend today. A Muzzie might be filling your favorite pew.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

can we sink any lower?

Already did, dear.

In the early morning of Sunday, September 15, 1963, Bobby Frank Cherry, Thomas Blanton,[1] Herman Frank Cash, and Robert Chambliss, members of United Klans of America, a Ku Klux Klan group, planted a box of dynamite with a time delay under the steps of the church, near the basement.[2] At about 10:22 a.m., twenty-six children were walking into the basement assembly room to prepare for the sermon entitled “The Love That Forgives,” when the bomb exploded.[3][4] Four girls, Addie Mae Collins (age 14), Denise McNair (age 11), Carole Robertson (age 14), and Cynthia Wesley (age 14), were killed in the attack,[5] and more than 20 additional people were injured, one of whom was Addie Mae Collins' younger sister, Sarah.[6] The explosion blew a hole in the church's rear wall, destroyed the back steps and all but one stained-glass window, which showed Christ leading a group of little children.

16th Street Baptist Church bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Christianity is Christian......it is the further development of the Jewish tradition, and displaces it........I would not have the Torah read in a Christian church either.

The Torah is read in Christian churches every day. The Torah is the first five books of the bible, often called the Pentateuch by Christians.

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Ludicrous.

Indeed, sir.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Already did, dear.

In the early morning of Sunday, September 15, 1963, Bobby Frank Cherry, Thomas Blanton,[1] Herman Frank Cash, and Robert Chambliss, members of United Klans of America, a Ku Klux Klan group, planted a box of dynamite with a time delay under the steps of the church, near the basement.[2] At about 10:22 a.m., twenty-six children were walking into the basement assembly room to prepare for the sermon entitled “The Love That Forgives,” when the bomb exploded.[3][4] Four girls, Addie Mae Collins (age 14), Denise McNair (age 11), Carole Robertson (age 14), and Cynthia Wesley (age 14), were killed in the attack,[5] and more than 20 additional people were injured, one of whom was Addie Mae Collins' younger sister, Sarah.[6] The explosion blew a hole in the church's rear wall, destroyed the back steps and all but one stained-glass window, which showed Christ leading a group of little children.

16th Street Baptist Church bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...and there we have it...sometimes man's inhumanity to man is breath-taking
 
Colpy
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100 years ago today, the last Caliph, or emperor of Islam, declared the last Jihad against the infidel-- and today is the first time ever that the National Cathedral in the nation's capital will host Muslim prayers.


Most American's will have no idea that, as part of World War I, the then-Caliph of the Ottoman empire declared a Holy War against infidels, as was his right within sharia law and Islamic theology. You can read the full fatwa here (ignore the date of 1915 which is an original typo).


That statement by the last sitting head of what was the theocratic empire of Islam was the catalyst which led to religiously-fueled genocide against Christian Armenians and Assyrians.


The Episcopal church leaders who agreed to the host Muslim prayers inside the Washington cathedral probably have no idea what happened a century ago in Asia Minor, or that there even was a Caliph in office at the beginning of the 20th century.


However, we can rest assured that the co-organizers do, for they include the Council on Islamic-American Relations (CAIR), The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) and the All-Dulles Area Muslims Society (ADAMS) Center.


Both CAIR and ISNA will be fully aware of the significance of November 14th, seeing as both organizations were declared by a federal court to be unindicted co-conspirators of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood terror group, in the largest terrorist financing trial in US history.


Those muslims who have a supremacist understanding of their religion, such as members of Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood - which was recently declared an illegal terrorist organization in the country of its founding, Egypt - have a special regard for historic dates and anniversaries.

It is, of course, no accident that the 9/11 attacks, the worst terror attacks in world history, occurred exactly to the day in 1683 when the Islamic Ottoman forces were defeated outside the city walls of Vienna, the deepest the Islamic Caliphate's forces made it into the heart of the Christian West.


There is nothing inherently wrong about interfaith initiatives as long as they start from the same place: a mutual respect for the belief system of the other, and their inherent dignity as humans created by God. When one party acts in bad faith based upon its ideological commitment to see other faiths destroyed or subjected, then the event runs the risk of becoming a propaganda coup for the extremists and their followers.


The fact that this event is occurring just as ancient Christian communities are being destroyed in the Middle East and "non-believers" are being actually crucified by ISIS jihadists makes it all the more egregious.


We know that the Episcopal church is in trouble with more conservative believers leaving in great numbers and the remaining adherents not exactly outdoing their Catholic cousins in terms of reproducing the next generation of believers. But I doubt they also understand the finer points of jihadist doctrine, one of which is that if a place of worship is used by Muslims for their prayers, that territory subsequently becomes part of Dar al Islam, sacred muslim land. Forever.



Muslim Brotherhood Overruns National Cathedral in DC

My emphasis.

Those that believe in nothing will fall for anything
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petros
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God is gonna be sooooo mad when finishes taking that leak.