One of Pierre Trudeauís finer moments


Liberalman
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One of Pierre Trudeauís finer moments


Pierre Trudeau - Just Watch me - YouTube

 
WLDB
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Yep. Can you imagine a PM spontaneously taking five minutes to have a debate with a reporter today? Agree with him or not I like the fact that he was willing to do it. Most politicians in general are coy and avoid answering questions. He didnt care, he'd tell you what he thought. Mulroney was like that too to a lesser degree.
 
B00Mer
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...and then he passes Martial Law..!! "Just watch me"

Who is the idiot journalist, hope he get's kidnapped.
 
Christianna
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I swear that reporter was an idiot. I miss Pierre fuddle duddle and all.
 
#juan
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I miss his intelligence, and his humour. He didn't suffer fools gladly. I was surprised he put up with that dopey reporter as long as he did.
 
Zipperfish
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Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB View Post

Yep. Can you imagine a PM spontaneously taking five minutes to have a debate with a reporter today? Agree with him or not I like the fact that he was willing to do it. Most politicians in general are coy and avoid answering questions. He didnt care, he'd tell you what he thought. Mulroney was like that too to a lesser degree.

Those days are gone. Tehre's probably 10,000 people working in "Communications" at very levels of government whose sole job it is to make sure that Canadians don't find out what their elected officials are up to.
 
WLDB
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post


Who is the idiot journalist, hope he get's kidnapped.

CBC reporter, I dont recall his name but I do now he was never kidnapped.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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That's what a PM is supposed to be, a leader that stands up for his actions and plans in the full light of day, not hide behind bureaucratic cutouts and media screens.

Forget seeing Harper or any conservative minister go face to face with reporters in a honest conversation, we get pure spin now, I miss the days of a real leader. And I would have been just as happy or even more so with Stanfield as PM, he had even more integrity than Trudeau.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_Kid View Post

That's what a PM is supposed to be, a leader that stands up for his actions and plans in the full light of day, not hide behind bureaucratic cutouts and media screens.

Forget seeing Harper or any conservative minister go face to face with reporters in a honest conversation, we get pure spin now, I miss the days of a real leader. And I would have been just as happy or even more so with Stanfield as PM, he had even more integrity than Trudeau.

Trudeau fukked over all of Canada just to buy a few votes in Quebec. Not what I would call integrity. To be fair he never denied doing it.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Trudeau fukked over all of Canada just to buy a few votes in Quebec. Not what I would call integrity. To be fair he never denied doing it.

With what, his energy policy?

We have Charter Rights thanks to him, whatever his faults Trudeau helped forge a unique Canadian identity whereas the conservatives seem to consistently want to mold us into a mini US.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

I miss his intelligence, and his humour. He didn't suffer fools gladly. I was surprised he put up with that dopey reporter as long as he did.

Yeah, I missed his intelligence too!
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_Kid View Post

With what, his energy policy?

We have Charter Rights thanks to him, whatever his faults Trudeau helped forge a unique Canadian identity whereas the conservatives seem to consistently want to mold us into a mini US.

Energy policy, Bilingualism, a flawed charter, multiculturalism. All flawed and decisive.
 
Colpy
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The man was scum.

He declared martial law and had hundreds of people jailed without charge or trial.....because of two kidnappings.

And Canadians salivate at his name.

It is enough to make one ill.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The man was scum.

He declared martial law and had hundreds of people jailed without charge or trial.....because of two kidnappings.

And Canadians salivate at his name.

It is enough to make one ill.

Pleas, don't hold back at all.

It was a scary time, maybe he overreacted, but recently we've had people being held for long periods without legal recourse and even left to very harsh treatment by other nations such as Omar Khadr.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Energy policy, Bilingualism, a flawed charter, multiculturalism. All flawed and decisive.

Divisive? I suck at spelling too.

Unfortunately we live in a nation with a major fault-line running down the middle of it due to history going back centuries. Trudeau could very arrogant but I also think he honestly tried to be the best democratic leader he could, I think we have the opposite now.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_Kid View Post

Pleas, don't hold back at all.

It was a scary time, maybe he overreacted, but recently we've had people being held for long periods without legal recourse and even left to very harsh treatment by other nations such as Omar Khadr.



Divisive? I suck at spelling too.

Unfortunately we live in a nation with a major fault-line running down the middle of it due to history going back centuries. Trudeau could very arrogant but I also think he honestly tried to be the best democratic leader he could, I think we have the opposite now.

He tried very hard to do what he thought was best for Quebec. WHich he never denied. The rest of Canada got the finger.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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Seems like it was more than just two kidnappings too.

October Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:

From 1963 to 1970 the Quebec nationalist group Front de libťration du Quťbec had detonated over 95 bombs.[6] While mailboxes—particularly in the affluent and predominantly Anglophone city of Westmount—were common targets, the largest single bombing was of the Montreal Stock Exchange on February 13, 1969, which caused extensive damage and injured 27 people. Other targets included Montreal City Hall, Royal Canadian Mounted Police recruitment offices, railway tracks, and army installations. FLQ members, in a strategic move, had stolen several tons of dynamite from military and industrial sites, and, financed by bank robberies, they threatened through their official communication organ, known as La Cognťe, that more attacks were to come.

By 1970, 23 members of the FLQ were in prison, including four members convicted of murder. On February 26, 1970, two men in a panel truck – including Jacques LanctŰt– were arrested in Montreal when they were discovered with a sawed-off shotgun and a communique announcing the kidnapping of the Israeli consul. In June, police raided a home in the small community of Prťvost, north of Montreal in the Laurentian Mountains, and found firearms, ammunition, 300 pounds (140 kg) of dynamite, detonators, and the draft of a ransom note to be used in the kidnapping of the United States consul.

 
#juan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The man was scum.

He declared martial law and had hundreds of people jailed without charge or trial.....because of two kidnappings.

And Canadians salivate at his name.

It is enough to make one ill.

For God's sake!

A cabinet minister and a foreign diplomat had being kidnapped. A Quebec cabinet minister was murdered. What the hell should he have done? I think he did exactly the right thing.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

He tried very hard to do what he thought was best for Quebec. WHich he never denied. The rest of Canada got the finger.

I used to think that way, but seven years of Harper has mellowed me towards Trudeau.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

For God's sake!

A cabinet minister and a foreign diplomat had being kidnapped. A Quebec cabinet minister was murdered. What the hell should he have done? I think he did exactly the right thing.

The Quebec cabinet minister was murdered as a response to martial law. The murder was a direct result of Trudeau invoking the War Measures Act.

To his credit, he was shaken when the body was found......he knew he had inspired the murder.

I will not lay blame for it at his feet, as I make no excuses for terrorists.

Then he let the kidnappers slip away to Cuba.

Yep. Tough guy. While innocents lounged in Canadian jails.

And that doesn't even touch on the rest of his sins..............and there are many.

Why do you think I have voted for almost every federal political party except the Liberals????
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The man was scum.

He declared martial law and had hundreds of people jailed without charge or trial.....because of two kidnappings.

And Canadians salivate at his name.

It is enough to make one ill.

I'm not sure that he was scum, just had an ego the size of an elephant and of course conceit was written all over him and the rest of us were basically uneducated peons. "A$$hole" is probably more appropriate than "scum".
Last edited by JLM; Oct 10th, 2013 at 06:00 PM..
 
Cobalt_Kid
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The Quebec cabinet minister was murdered as a response to martial law. The murder was a direct result of Trudeau invoking the War Measures Act.

To his credit, he was shaken when the body was found......he knew he had inspired the murder.

I will not lay blame for it at his feet, as I make no excuses for terrorists.

Then he let the kidnappers slip away to Cuba.

Yep. Tough guy. While innocents lounged in Canadian jails.

And that doesn't even touch on the rest of his sins..............and there are many.

Why do you think I have voted for almost every federal political party except the Liberals????

Put it in perspective, what did many other countries have at that time.

Nixon in the US and before him Johnson, two presidents that I truly dislike.

In the East there was the Soviet block and near absolute dictators and that was the model for many places around the globe...and still is to a lessor degree. It was a different time and many Canadians supported and trusted Trudeau for many of the reasons you dislike him so much.

And I think Trudeau's excesses pale in comparison to our current PM who only let's the House sit when he feels like it and has degraded the entire political system to the point where it barely functions when it is active.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_Kid View Post

And I think Trudeau's excesses pale in comparison to our current PM who only let's the House sit when he feels like it and has degraded the entire political system to the point where it barely functions when it is active.


Awwww... Is widdums upset that harper used the very same strategy that has been used over and over and over by the Liberals?

How come you have no outrage when Chretin prorogued parliament all those times?... 7 of them I believe when he was in power.
 
Cobalt_Kid
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

How come you have no outrage when Chretin prorogued parliament all those times?... 7 of them I believe when he was in power.

Probably because Chretien has been delegated to the history files and the PM who ran on the platform of accountability and transparency that was supposed to make up for the democratic deficit under the last government has instead embraced and extended it.

I'm not interested in living in a Canada with an illusion of freedom which is mostly what we're getting under Harper. I didn't like the excesses under Chretien and Canadians rightfully removed what they saw as a government that had been abusing our trust. Now we've got one that has institutionalized that approach to power and we're supposed to what, cheer?
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_Kid View Post

Probably because Chretien has been delegated to the history files and the PM who ran on the platform of accountability and transparency


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... Man, CK, you crack me up buddy... Just couldn't make past that statement... It's gonna be a while before I get my breath back
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB View Post

Yep. Can you imagine a PM spontaneously taking five minutes to have a debate with a reporter today? Agree with him or not I like the fact that he was willing to do it. Most politicians in general are coy and avoid answering questions. He didnt care, he'd tell you what he thought. Mulroney was like that too to a lesser degree.

How many journalists would also be capable of a debate today? Most are just looking for the photo-op.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cobalt_Kid View Post

Probably because Chretien has been delegated to the history files and the PM who ran on the platform of accountability and transparency that was supposed to make up for the democratic deficit under the last government has instead embraced and extended it.

I'm not interested in living in a Canada with an illusion of freedom which is mostly what we're getting under Harper. I didn't like the excesses under Chretien and Canadians rightfully removed what they saw as a government that had been abusing our trust. Now we've got one that has institutionalized that approach to power and we're supposed to what, cheer?

Both ran on the same honesty in Govt.
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post


Why do you think I have voted for almost every federal political party except the Liberals????


because you're an idiot.
 
Cliffy
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How many of you guys were in Montreal during the October crisis? Or even in Quebec? It was a very tense and dangerous time. Martial Law was a joke though. The army was stationed around police stations and one soldier was stationed at each politician's home. Other than that, the citizens were on their own.

It ticks me off when I hear people pissing on the French. The English treated them with disdain at best and utter contempt at most. There were very good reasons for the FLQ and the separatist movement and obviously those reasons still exists today from what I read on these forums. Between the English, the French ruling class and the Catholic schools system, the French were purposely kept under educated. They were groomed from birth "for small potatoes", to be the working stiffs, while the English were groomed for running the show. Trudeau was not trying to appease the French. He was trying to bring them back into the fold and make life a little more equal for them.

Back then I supported the FLQ for their struggle for equal opportunities. I was seriously pissed at the attitude of the English in Quebec and since I came out west, I find that most of the English people out here are just as bigoted as they were back there. Racism you all save for the Indians, East Indians and Orientals.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The man was scum.

He declared martial law and had hundreds of people jailed without charge or trial.....because of two kidnappings.

And Canadians salivate at his name.

It is enough to make one ill.

Go ahead be ill because the same sh*t is still happening. If you disagree, you're with the terrorists.

Quote:

It ticks me off when I hear people pissing on the French. The English treated them with disdain at best and utter contempt at most.

Wanna know why? Protestant against Catholic.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Go ahead be ill because the same sh*t is still happening. If you disagree, you're with the terrorists.

Wanna know why? Protestant against Catholic.

My dad was a British born Catholic and he hated the French. In Quebec it was a three way hate fest: English Catholics against the protestants, English Catholics and protestants against the French. We had three public school systems: English Catholic, French Catholic and Protestant. The Jews got stuck in the Protestant schools if they couldn't afford a private school. At the time everybody hated everybody else.
 

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