"It's Okay to Kill Gay People" - British Imam


Toro
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IT'S OK TO KILL GAYS - BRITISH IMAM
24 October 2006

The leading imam in Manchester, confirms that he thinks the execution of sexually active gay men is justified, the rights group Outrage reported.

Arshad Misbahi of the Manchester Central Mosque confirmed his views in a conversation to John Casson, a local psychotherapist.

Casson said: "I asked him if the execution of gay Muslims in Iran and Iraq was an acceptable punishment in Sharia law, or the result of culture, not religion.

"He told me that in a true Islamic state, such punishments were part of Islam: If the person had had a trial, at which four witnesses testified that they had seen the actual homosexual acts."

"I asked him what would be the British Muslim view? He repeated that in an Islamic state these punishments were justified. They might result in the deaths of thousands but if this deterred millions from having sex, and spreading disease, then it was worthwhile to protect the wider community."

"I checked again that this was not a matter of tradition, culture or local prejudice. 'No,' he said, 'It is part of the central tenets of Islam: that sex outside marriage is forbidden; this is stated in the Koran and the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had stated that these punishments were due to such behaviours.'"

Gay man rights campaigner Peter Tatchell said, "It is disturbing that some British imams are endorsing the execution of gay and lesbian Muslims.

"Imam Arshad Misbahi's homophobic attitudes give comfort and succor to queer-bashers. They encourage conflict and disharmony between Manchester's large gay and Muslim communities.

"Muslim and gay people know the pain of prejudice and discrimination. We should be working together to challenge homophobia and Islamophobia. I hope liberal Muslims will speak out in defense of the human rights of lesbians and gay men," said Tatchell.

Adnan Ali, founder of the British branch of al-Fatiha, an organisation for gay and lesbian Muslims, told Gay.com that "a person with such an obsession about execution of human beings is not even entitled to be addressed as Imam."

"Islam is a very tolerant religion and celebrates the human diversity in its core message," Ali said.

"The holy book Qur'an does not mention anywhere about the execution or killing of human beings on the basis of their sexuality. What surprises is this obsession of the Islamic clerics to killing and execution. Why? What about dialogue? Discussion?

"Arshad Misbahi's comparison of same-sex relation to adultery is nothing but ignorant and utterly irresponsible rhetoric, manifesting the wrong teachings of Islam. The media should . . . not take it for granted as the general view of the Muslim community all over."

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CDNBear
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Very interesting Toro,Thanx

You do realise, that this will be dismissed by the hate cultist because it didn't come from there approved sources.
 
Sassylassie
#3
I hope every Gay Rights organization pickets out front of his Mosque and home, chanting bigoted pig all the while eating a pork chop. This guys a frothing at the mouth hateful Extremist who should be deported to the Sudan they, like his kind there. EVIL.
 
northstar
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I hope every Gay Rights organization pickets out front of his Mosque and home, chanting bigoted pig all the while eating a pork chop. This guys a frothing at the mouth hateful Extremist who should be deported to the Sudan they, like his kind there. EVIL.

LOL...

And here is the hypocracy of this Muslim nuckle-head and the Quran. The Quran is all about how it is okay to have sex with young boys, and even teaches that they are waiting in heaven...

Women must be virgins at marriage, yet sex is never forbidden at long as it is written in Islamic law. So older men are allowed to have younger boys and 'give' to them and this is considered being 'in control, and is not considered a crime according to Holy Teachings. Once a young man is taught this and reaches maturity he in turn must continue the tradition, approved by scriptures.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#5
There is no Koranic or Biblical basis for that imam's anti-gay bigotry. It will be recalled that Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on gays but nobody picketed his church for his biased nonsense. Perhaps they should have.
 
Sassylassie
#6
Nice try Gopher but the Holly Rollers don't want the Gays to marry, the Muslim Extremists want them dead. If you can't see the difference well I'll let you bury the bodies of yet more innocents slaughtered in the name of Extreme Islam. I don't think Gays are any different than being Blonde or a red head, it's the way they are born and I'm way cool with that.
 
Researcher87
#7
Yeah saying things that is okay to kill Gay people is sick, however, there is no incidents of such violence that Ant-Muslims hate but we do know that some Christian bastard murdered a young Muslim woman in California.

I think action is a little more stronger than just words. Try harder.
 
tamarin
Conservative
#8
It's all becoming tit-for-tat. Kindergarten's in.
Everyone condemns incidents like the above. What sane person wouldn't? But admittedly haters of all stripes are being kept on short leashes today. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have been ridiculed repeatedly in the past for asinine comments. They didn't get a free ride. Nor should this cleric.
 
Toro
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

There is no Koranic or Biblical basis for that imam's anti-gay bigotry. It will be recalled that Jerry Falwell blamed 9/11 on gays but nobody picketed his church for his biased nonsense. Perhaps they should have.

Falwell blamed it on America's sins.

And it got lots of press.

As this should too.
 
humanbeing
#10
Yeah, this Imam twit is a bigot and a douchebag.

So are zillions of other people in the world, christian or muslim or atheist... I'm sure I can find a christian or an atheist within a couple hundred yards of my block that feels the same way, or at least has a reasonable chance of saying something as ridiculous and horrible in a conversation, no doubt.
 
Blackleaf
#11
There are lots of Right Wing Americans who think the same thing as the Manchester imam does.
 
northstar
#12
The Quran is full of paragraphs about how tempting young boys are, and how they will be among the virgins in suicide-bomber heaven.
The difference from my understanding, in the Muslims' mind between 'pleasuring' a boy and true homosexuality, is the fine line of the older giving to the younger, and the younger having not reached adolescence.
If the child grows into a man who is preferring men over women then it is considered a sin...confused, well, there is more...The man will only get prosecuted if he has witnesses to the actual act.
So if four men, and l think eight women can squeese into a room and watch a old Muslim creep give it to a little boy, then he will get in trouble, If two men watch he won't.

SO, now that all the scriptural approval is covered, let's look at the law..this from Wikipedia-

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Homosexuality in modern Muslim countries' laws

Same-sex intercourse officially carries the death penalty in six Muslim nations: Saudi Arabia , Iran , Mauritania , Sudan , Somalia and Yemen . [7] It formerly carried the death penalty in Afghanistan under the Taliban .
The legal situation in the United Arab Emirates is unclear. In many Muslim nations, such as Bahrain , Qatar , Algeria , Pakistan and the Maldives , homosexuality is punished with jail time, fines, or corporal punishment.
In some Muslim-majority nations, such as Turkey , Jordan , Egypt , or Mali , same-sex intercourse is not specifically forbidden by law. In Egypt openly gay men have been prosecuted under general public morality laws. (See Cairo 52 .)
On the other hand, Turkey has made tremendous efforts to legalize homosexuality and protect gays and lesbians from discrimination.
In Saudi Arabia , the maximum punishment for homosexuality is public execution, but the government will use other punishments -- e.g., fines, jail time, and whipping -- as alternatives, unless it feels that homosexuals are challenging state authority by engaging in LGBT social movements . [8]

Iran is perhaps the nation to execute the largest number of its citizens for homosexuality. Since the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran , the Iranian government has executed more than 4000 people charged with homosexual acts.

In Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban homosexuality went from a capital crime to one that it punished with fines and prison sentence.

Note- Turkey seems to be stepping up with the times, they also banned the burka.

Some Quranic quotes to tempt the suicide bombers into murdering for what Mohammad considered a heavenly treat -


52:17-29 And they shall have boys [ghilmaan] circulating among them as if they were hidden pearls.

76:19 And immortal boys [wildaanun mukhalladoona] will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls.

Of course, Muhommad created this religion and now they hate homosexuals unless it is peophilia, then it is justified by the Quran.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
#13
It is bigoted comments such as those of Jerry Falwell that have led to attacks upon gays throughout the USA. Some of those vicious attacks have led to deaths of law abiding gay citizens. Therefore, more should have been done to keep Falwell from opening up his bigoted mouth.
 
EastSideScotian
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This doesnt mean Muslims are going to go around and start killing Gays in the streets of London.
 
Hotshot
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sassylassie View Post

. I don't think Gays are any different than being Blonde or a red head, it's the way they are born and I'm way cool with that.

I see you have been brainwashed. If you believe that......
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
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I see you have been brainwashed. If you believe that......

Oh, really?

And what are your thoughts on the issue, Hotshot ?
 
northstar
#17
It is just another example of how delusioned Mohammad must of been when he stuck his twig in camel dung and began the story of ALLAh...

and now these holy scriptures are once again used to justify crimes against humanity, even while they contradict and make no sense at all...

and today, centuries later, some fanatic Muslim makes a "HOLY SCRIPTURLY CORRECT' claim that is anit-social, A HATE CRIME and discriminatory...

and then the Muslims' wonder why they might have some social intolerance leveled back at them???
 
Hotshot
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Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox View Post

Oh, really?

And what are your thoughts on the issue, Hotshot ?

The censorship on this board wouldn't allow me to say what I really think, but the fact that they are born that way is psycobabble. Its just an excuse for what many think is a perversion.
 
Curiosity
#19
Just more flame throwing by the Mad Mullahs and Insane Imams....

Saying it's ok to kill heterosexuals is just as monstrous - but he knows the community will take notice of a proposed "hate crime".

Saying they should kill regular people would go unnoticed - but the public is stirred when homosexual people are selected as targets.

Next they'll announce - "Kill all the children under ten".... or something equally as foul like all the mentally ill.

No reaction would be the best treatment for this jerk. He's too off the wall to bother with.

 
Sassylassie
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Hotshot wrote: The censorship on this board wouldn't allow me to say what I really think, but the fact that they are born that way is psycobabble. Its just an excuse for what many think is a perversion.

Oh my Hotshot aren't we the little expert on every topic you post on, I think not. Someone who is gay is no more perverted than someone who isn't, I'm not the one posting psycobabble but you seem to have anger issues.
 
Hotshot
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sassylassie View Post

Hotshot wrote: The censorship on this board wouldn't allow me to say what I really think, but the fact that they are born that way is psycobabble. Its just an excuse for what many think is a perversion.

Oh my Hotshot aren't we the little expert on every topic you post on, I think not. Someone who is gay is no more perverted than someone who isn't, I'm not the one posting psycobabble but you seem to have anger issues.

No anger issues here. I believe what I know, you believe what you want to believe.
 
EastSideScotian
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hotshot View Post

No anger issues here. I believe what I know, you believe what you want to believe.

I think its Possible that you dont know what you Believe....

Most Hommo Sexuals are born that way and cant help it, I know a few. Yes though some people choose to be Gay, Humans have the Right to Choose...... I may not agree with chooseing to be gay, But I do agree that humans have the right to choose their partners. But as for your Phycobabble comment, People can be born gay its pretty simple.

Its not like a Guy wakes up some day and says, Iam sick of pussy and tits. Iam also sure that people wouldnt choose to be discriminated against and looked down on by people like yourself.....

Thats like saying Asians choose to be asain, and Africans choose to be african, or that I choose to be Wasp. DONT WORK DAT WAY YO.
 
humanbeing
#23
If it makes someone happier to be gay, then I am fine with that. That is good enough for me to not only not mind, but encourage them to do what makes them happy.

I figure there are a lot of factors responsible for one being gay... there is genetics for sure (must be, since we do have genes for sexual orientation on the X and Y chromosome - precisely which do what, we still aren't 100% sure of), and then there might be other biological factors, plus various environmental factors. It's probably a mix of these things at play, with one sometimes being more prominent than others depending on the case.

While I don't think there is a "gay gene", I do believe it is quite possible that having certain genes for sexual orientation can be a major factor in being a homosexual. I really don't doubt that some people are just "born that way". Still others may be born with tendencies towards being that way (but ultimately may or may not be that way). And perhaps others just liked what they found and wanted to be that way.

What causes homosexuality to exist? I don't know... Could be a lot of different things. Perhaps it is the struggle for survival at a genetic level. Perhaps in some way, at some point in time, having genes that make someone tend towards homosexuality provided some other benefit at the "tradeoff" of being gay. Perhaps the guy just likes the different type of relationship.

Then there is the fact that we (men and women) are more similar than we care to admit, and that if you look at certain traits from both sexes, you can see an overlapping between things typically associated with men or with women in certain individuals. Just variation within the population..
 
Toro
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hotshot View Post

The censorship on this board wouldn't allow me to say what I really think, but the fact that they are born that way is psycobabble. Its just an excuse for what many think is a perversion.


They're born that way.

If you think not, why don't you "choose" to have a sexual relationship with a member of the same sex.
 
Hotshot
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by EastSideScotian View Post

I think its Possible that you dont know what you Believe....

Most Hommo Sexuals are born that way and cant help it, I know a few. Yes though some people choose to be Gay, Humans have the Right to Choose...... I may not agree with chooseing to be gay, But I do agree that humans have the right to choose their partners. But as for your Phycobabble comment, People can be born gay its pretty simple.

Its not like a Guy wakes up some day and says, Iam sick of pussy and tits. Iam also sure that people wouldnt choose to be discriminated against and looked down on by people like yourself.....

Thats like saying Asians choose to be asain, and Africans choose to be african, or that I choose to be Wasp. DONT WORK DAT WAY YO.

Thats the most idiotic comparison. Sexual orientation cannot be compared in any way with race. If you believe that, you are a jerk.
 
humanbeing
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Thats the most idiotic comparison. Sexual orientation cannot be compared in any way with race. If you believe that, you are a jerk.

Sexual orientation cannot be compared in any way with race, if only because race does not exist within humans while sexual orientation does...

That aside, I think eastsidescotian made fairly good points, and I don't think what he said was idiotic. People have genes affecting their skin colour (and/or whatever physical markers you might use to lump them in a certain race), and just the same, they have genes affecting sexual orientation. Sure, genes might not be the only thing involved in skin colour or sexual orientation, but they have their part, and no doubt major ones at that.

If you know something, let us in on it. So far you haven't brought up anything new, just said that these folks are jerks for thinking a certain way and that nobody will let you have your say due to censorship.
 
Logic 7
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Quote: Originally Posted by Toro View Post

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He must get along with the fundamentalist religious in the united states. Like those...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

Quote:

The anti-gay Fred Phelps of Kansas and his family picketed Shepard's funeral as well as the trial of his assailants. They displayed signs of their protests, with slogans such as "Matt Shepard rots in Hell", "AIDS Kills Fags Dead" and "God Hates Fags". When the Wyoming Supreme Court ruled that it was legal to display any sort of religious message on city property if it was legal for Casper's Ten Commandments display to remain, Phelps made attempts to gain city permits in Cheyenne and Casper to build a monument "of marble or granite 5 or 6 feet in height" on which will be a bronze plaque bearing Shepard's picture and the words: "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."


When you look at it a little deeper , the fundamentalist in the united states hates fundamentalist muslim, only because they just are the same.
 
EastSideScotian
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Hotshot View Post

Thats the most idiotic comparison. Sexual orientation cannot be compared in any way with race. If you believe that, you are a jerk.

Why race is what makes us differant, it is Gentic make up. Much like your friends the Hommosexual. Thats why their are Gays and Straights.

and if there are all these Geniticly Straight people choosing to be gay, there must be alot of Gay people choosing to be Straight...:O haha
 
Cosmo
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Hotshot View Post

The censorship on this board wouldn't allow me to say what I really think, but the fact that they are born that way is psycobabble. Its just an excuse for what many think is a perversion.

Actually I think perhaps you are a tad reluctant to say what you think because the members (not the staff) will jump on you like a pride of lions on a wounded gazelle.

At any rate, Hotshot, you have your right to your opinions ... wrong headed as they may be. I'm a dyke. Born that way, wired that way, just a fact of life like having green eyes. Perversion is trying to force one set of beliefs on someone else. Live and let live.

As for the the topic ... no big surprise there. When women's rights are as curbed as they are in that part of the world, you can easily expect gay rights to lag behind that. Sad situation but the world is full of ignorance.
 
LittleRunningGag
Free Thinker
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Hotshot View Post

Thats the most idiotic comparison. Sexual orientation cannot be compared in any way with race. If you believe that, you are a jerk.

What a remarkably well thought out argument. 'If you don't agree with me, you are a jerk.' What kind of edjumakation enabled you to come up with that gem?

If it weren't for the fact that your arguments are completely unsupported by fact, and have little or no scientific basis, you would definately be coming ontop of this discussion.
Last edited by LittleRunningGag; Oct 30th, 2006 at 01:53 AM..
 

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