New warships to cost more than $100-billion


mentalfloss
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New warships to cost more than $100-billion

The cradle-to-grave cost to Canadian taxpayers to acquire new warships will exceed $100-billion, the federal government says – tens of billions of dollars more than Ottawa has previously disclosed.

It is the first time the federal government has gone public with its best guess on the full life-cycle cost of up to 15 surface combat vessels.

The political demand for transparency has changed in Ottawa since a controversy over the true cost of a plan to buy F-35 fighter jets, and the Harper government feels pressure to open the books.

The purchase price of the military ships remains $26.2-billion, but a new estimate of “approximately $64-billion” for 30 years of maintenance, operating and personnel costs brings the total bill to “in the vicinity of $90-billion,” according to a status update released by the Department of Public Works this week. It cautions the “through-life costs” will need to be refined over time.

New warships to cost more than $100-billion, Ottawa estimates - The Globe and Mail

That's at least 2 billion dollars per year in additional costs. For some perspective, the annual cost of this would completely wipe out the projected surplus the Tories believe they will have next year.

This is even worse than that stupid jet pipe dream.
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

This is even worse than that stupid jet pipe dream.

Yeah, we'll just get a few Kevlar canoes instead.
 
Blackleaf
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Canadian aircraft carrier

 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

New warships to cost more than $100-billion

The cradle-to-grave cost to Canadian taxpayers to acquire new warships will exceed $100-billion, the federal government says – tens of billions of dollars more than Ottawa has previously disclosed.

It is the first time the federal government has gone public with its best guess on the full life-cycle cost of up to 15 surface combat vessels.

The political demand for transparency has changed in Ottawa since a controversy over the true cost of a plan to buy F-35 fighter jets, and the Harper government feels pressure to open the books.

The purchase price of the military ships remains $26.2-billion, but a new estimate of “approximately $64-billion” for 30 years of maintenance, operating and personnel costs brings the total bill to “in the vicinity of $90-billion,” according to a status update released by the Department of Public Works this week. It cautions the “through-life costs” will need to be refined over time.

New warships to cost more than $100-billion, Ottawa estimates - The Globe and Mail

That's at least 2 billion dollars per year in additional costs. For some perspective, the annual cost of this would completely wipe out the projected surplus the Tories believe they will have next year.

This is even worse than that stupid jet pipe dream.

WHat an incredibly stupid way to price things. With that kind of faulty logic we might as well just abandon our armed forces.Oh wait that is exactly what decades of Liberal governments did, putting us in this position.
 
mentalfloss
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Fiscal conservatism, but only for the things I want.

You guys are worse than the nimby's.
 
Sons of Liberty
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Canada needs military to protect its northern areas, nobody is going to do it for you and when an opportunity arises, someone is going to snatch from you.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Fiscal conservatism, but only for the things I want.

You guys are worse than the nimby's.

Maybe you should hop on a Sea King Helicopter and ride on a leaky submarine before shooting your uneducated mouth off. The Canadian Navy does a hell of a lot for this Country above and beyond protecting its waters. I know the concept of giving them equipment to meet their needs is hard for some snot nosed GTA Lefty to process, but give it a shot some time.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

New warships to cost more than $100-billion

The cradle-to-grave cost to Canadian taxpayers to acquire new warships will exceed $100-billion, the federal government says – tens of billions of dollars more than Ottawa has previously disclosed.

It is the first time the federal government has gone public with its best guess on the full life-cycle cost of up to 15 surface combat vessels.

The political demand for transparency has changed in Ottawa since a controversy over the true cost of a plan to buy F-35 fighter jets, and the Harper government feels pressure to open the books.

The purchase price of the military ships remains $26.2-billion, but a new estimate of “approximately $64-billion” for 30 years of maintenance, operating and personnel costs brings the total bill to “in the vicinity of $90-billion,” according to a status update released by the Department of Public Works this week. It cautions the “through-life costs” will need to be refined over time.

New warships to cost more than $100-billion, Ottawa estimates - The Globe and Mail

That's at least 2 billion dollars per year in additional costs. For some perspective, the annual cost of this would completely wipe out the projected surplus the Tories believe they will have next year.

This is even worse than that stupid jet pipe dream.

Do you plan on defended your country at all?
 
petros
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Canadian city class frigates run in US carrier battle groups regularly. The defense of North America was integrated ages ago.
 
mentalfloss
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When did I say we shouldn't have a military?

You guys really think it's reasonable to spend over 2 Billion a year?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

When did I say we shouldn't have a military?

You guys really think it's reasonable to spend over 2 Billion a year?

Two billion a year is nothing.

Britain - the world's fourth biggest defence spender after the US, China and Russia - spends almost the equivalent of US$61 billion a year.
 
petros
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Do we have anything to worry about from any of those big spenders?
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Two billion a year is nothing.

Britain - the world's fourth biggest defence spender after the US, China and Russia - spends almost the equivalent of US$61 billion a year.

What are the respective populations of taxpayers in those countries?
 
EagleSmack
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

When did I say we shouldn't have a military?

You just don't want to pay for it or modernize it.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

What are the respective populations of taxpayers in those countries?

Populations are a factor? How about Canada sitting on half a continent full of resources. If you don't feel that your country is worth defending adequately then hey... there it is.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

WHat an incredibly stupid way to price things. With that kind of faulty logic we might as well just abandon our armed forces.Oh wait that is exactly what decades of Liberal governments did, putting us in this position.

What position? A deficit-free one?

Here's a simple question: did we get invaded?

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Two billion a year is nothing.

Britain - the world's fourth biggest defence spender after the US, China and Russia - spends almost the equivalent of US$61 billion a year.

Thus your national debt.
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

You just don't want to pay for it or modernize it.



Populations are a factor? How about Canada sitting on half a continent full of resources. If you don't feel that your country is worth defending adequately then hey... there it is.

This is rubbish (as Blackleaf might put it)

How is a population roughly one tenth of the others supposed to afford what you are suggesting?
 
coldstream
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The British subs debacle shows what happens when you try to do a Navy on the cheap. As far as i know most of them have never left the dry dock... and are likely unfit for Arctic service.

Even so $100B for 15 ships sounds a little steep at over $6B per ship. The most advanced class of U.S. Missile Destroyers go for about $3B. Which indicates a realistic price is about $50B.. and on going maintenance shouldn't included since this is an operating rather than capital expenditure.

But we need a maritime country like ours needs a Navy.. or other nations will move in on our resources.. especially in the North.

We also need a shipbuilding industry, which in on the ropes by way of Free Trade.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

This is rubbish (as Blackleaf might put it)

How is a population roughly one tenth of the others supposed to afford what you are suggesting?

If it's not worth defending then what can I say to you.

Your choice buddy.
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
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There are a dozen or so of these, and they are armed with Harpoon missiles. That ship is the Frigate,
Halifax. There are destroyers as well, and other coastal patrol ships.

Last edited by #juan; Nov 13th, 2013 at 02:41 PM..
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

If it's not worth defending then what can I say to you.

Your choice buddy.

My choice is we can defend our reasonably defend our country without spending an obscene amount.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

My choice is we can defend our reasonably defend our country without spending an obscene amount.

Reasonably defend yourselves? I... I just don't know what to say.

Defend yourself within reason...

Wow
 
skookumchuck
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

My choice is we can defend our reasonably defend our country without spending an obscene amount.

Get your brain in line with your language, oops better not, "reasonably defend" is totally stupid.
 
mentalfloss
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Lol

Autofill is ****.

Anyway as coldstream pointed out, we're getting a crappy deal here.
 
EagleSmack
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Put your faith in your fellow man... nobody wants anything in the Arctic.
 
mentalfloss
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Put your faith in having your credit rating downgraded.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Put your faith in having your credit rating downgraded.

That's already happened... we chugged along as usual.

But what does our credit rating have to do with the thread? Unless the topic got to difficult for you to handle.
 
mentalfloss
#27
Too.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#28
1. Build the Keystone Pipeline.

2. Impose a $1 per gallon "defence fee" on all the crude that flows through it to the U.S.

3. Snicker while the Yanks scream like wounded wildebeests.
 
mentalfloss
#29
That's the Canadian Dream.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

That's the Canadian Dream.

Huh. I thought a Stanley Cup and the discovery of geysers of Molson in the NW Territories was your dream.