Not the best way to handle overbooking


lone wolf
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#91
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Deadheading staff isn't freebies.

It's never a good idea to scream like a girl on a passenger jet.

...and you'd know all about dead heads

If it ain't a paying run ... it's a freebie
 
B00Mer
#92
 
Vbeacher
#93
Jesus, what a bunch of liberal snowflakes. This guy was ordered off the plane and he refused. At that point he was breaking the law by refusing the orders of the crew and disrupting the aircraft. He was then ordered off by police, and refused, and resisted. He got what he deserved. Actually, what he deserves is to be charged by police, and then banned for life.

Now do I think United handled this well? Nope. United has a long history of lousy, stupid screwups.

But the bottom line is that if a captain says get off his plane, because he doesn't like your voice, or your hair or he's just in a bad mood, your only legal choice is to get off. Ditto when the cops tell you to move your ass. I don't get how you can be a doctor and still be so brain dead and stupid as to not understand that. Was he THREE? He was acting like a three year old having a tantum. Waahh! WahhH! I don't wanna go! Waaa! You can't make me!

No sympathy for this idiot loser.
 
lone wolf
+1
#94
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

United breaks guitars too....
 
Tecumsehsbones
#95
Quote: Originally Posted by Vbeacher View Post

Jesus, what a bunch of liberal snowflakes. This guy was ordered off the plane and he refused. At that point he was breaking the law by refusing the orders of the crew and disrupting the aircraft. He was then ordered off by police, and refused, and resisted. He got what he deserved. Actually, what he deserves is to be charged by police, and then banned for life.

Now do I think United handled this well? Nope. United has a long history of lousy, stupid screwups.

But the bottom line is that if a captain says get off his plane, because he doesn't like your voice, or your hair or he's just in a bad mood, your only legal choice is to get off. Ditto when the cops tell you to move your ass. I don't get how you can be a doctor and still be so brain dead and stupid as to not understand that. Was he THREE? He was acting like a three year old having a tantum. Waahh! WahhH! I don't wanna go! Waaa! You can't make me!

No sympathy for this idiot loser.

The captain didn't say get off his plane. The desk supervisor isn't the captain of the aircraft. The Chicago Aviation Division goon squad isn't the captain of the aircraft.
 
Corduroy
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#96
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

That might all be true...in some strange parallel universe somewhere, but certainly not in the one the rest of us inhabit.

That parallel universe is the United States of America. The normal laws of sense don't apply. Money is speech in the United States and freedom of speech is constitutionally protected. The police are meant to enforce the law, so obviously they were protecting United Airlines freedom of money. It wouldn't make sense that they are a private security forces of corporations enforcing the End User Agreement. They were clearly defending liberty.

Look, if you stood up and tried to speak and I stood in front of you and screamed in your face, you'd think that was pretty belligerent of me. Similarly, United Airlines was trying to make money (i.e. exercise its right to free speech), and this man refused to allow them. That's belligerence.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#97
Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post


Look, if you stood up and tried to speak and I stood in front of you and screamed in your face, you'd think that was pretty belligerent of me.

And if he was a cop, he'd break your head, and you bleeding on his uniform'd be assault on a ossifer.
 
bobnoorduyn
#98
Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny View Post

Then you should write to United and tell them to stop saying it.


I don't know if it was United that said that or just some misinformation getting out there. It does happen where there is a last minute need to get a crew on a flight somewhere to operate another, and if the flight is full they will be issued a standby boarding pass, I've had it happen often enough. But there will be a notation on the computer in their profile or itinerary something to the effect "DH CREW. DO NOT DEPLANE", and seats will have to be opened up for them.


Wanna see $hit hit the fan, deplane them anyway, that happens too. In fact, I've offered to give up my seat when they've asked for volunteers when I was returning home with no duty scheduled, without passenger compensation of course, (OT pay and other unscheduled overnight compensation is quite substantial), and they won't do it, they're really not authorized to anyway.


Standby pass travel is different, those passengers are last priority, behind pets, bags and freight, flight crew or not. Just watch as the last flight leaves Toronto for Halifax and count the uniformed staff left behind. Been there.
 
Corduroy
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#99
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

And if he was a cop, he'd break your head, and you bleeding on his uniform'd be assault on a ossifer.

That uniform is government property. I'm quite confident that the second amendment allows me to occupy it for a few weeks with an armed band of inbred backwoods cattle ranchers. Send socks and fruit loops. We're in for a long siege.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#100
Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

That uniform is government property. I'm quite confident that the second amendment allows me to occupy it for a few weeks with an armed band of inbred backwoods cattle ranchers. Send socks and fruit loops. We're in for a long siege.

Pretty good chance you'd get off, too, seeing as how the Constitution requires you to have a jury of your peers, so the jury would have to be twelve toothless microcephalics.
 
Corduroy
#101
At the very least people with microphalluses love guns.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#102
Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

At the very least people with microphalluses love guns.

We sure do! You should see my new Madchenmann & Kleinschwanz P12 Compensator!

I also got a Callahan full-bore autolock with custom hair trigger and dual-cartridge thoroughgauge. I call her "Vera."
 
bobnoorduyn
#103
Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

That uniform is government property. I'm quite confident that the second amendment allows me to occupy it for a few weeks with an armed band of inbred backwoods cattle ranchers. Send socks and fruit loops. We're in for a long siege.


You keep bringing up the second amendment, but in this case it might finally be relevant since its a cop's uniform you want to occupy, but there are a few more laws you would have to break to do so, unless you applied, were accepted, trained and passed and were issued one of your own. The US also have FFDO's, which are armed pilots driving the bus, I guess an extension of the 2nd amendment, but their job is to secure the flight deck, they have air marshals to secure the cabin.
 
Curious Cdn
#104
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Yup. We call it "qualified immunity."

By the way, he was trespassing.

It is QIBVIW ... Qualified Immunity Because the Victim isn't White.
 
bobnoorduyn
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#105
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

It is QIBVIW ... Qualified Immunity Because the Victim isn't White.


Yeah, its different down there, here in Canada whites, especially men, aren't allowed to be victims, that category doesn't exist.
 
Curious Cdn
#106
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

Yeah, its different down there, here in Canada whites, especially men, aren't allowed to be victims, that category doesn't exist.

I'm hard pressed to remember an incident whereby someone who was less than extreme!y unhinged was dragged from some sort of transit like that. ...black, white, Asian, striped, spotted, ...
 
mentalfloss
#107
Is this overbooking shyt a uniquely US of A problem?
 
Curious Cdn
#108
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Is this overbooking shyt a uniquely US of A problem?

Air Canada does it all of the time. It works differently, though as a flight attendant comes around with a hidden needle, shoots you up with Pentothal and you wake up in an opium den in Chinatown.
 
Corduroy
#109
Then they punch you in the face and say "well, he was a drug user."
 
petros
#110
Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

no, he's only belligerent to you.


To the rest of us, he choose not to give up a seat he paid for. He was asked. He said no.

No dear, all news outlets are now saying he was biligerent.
He was asked, made a scene, screamed like a girl, the cops were called and was still biligerent and got boot f-cked for noncompliance.
 
Corduroy
#111
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

We sure do! You should see my new Madchenmann & Kleinschwanz P12 Compensator!

I also got a Callahan full-bore autolock with custom hair trigger and dual-cartridge thoroughgauge. I call her "Vera."

Which of those is an assault rifle?
 
petros
#112
Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

Which of those is an assault rifle?

The one he saved Tetley tea coupons to aquire.
 
mentalfloss
#113
Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

Then they punch you in the face and say "well, he was a drug user."

Lol

Seriously though, is this an unintended consequence of America's hyper capitalism?

The whole premise that led to this scenario seems completely absurd to me.

Why is overbooking even a problem?

This is FUKKED
 
Tecumsehsbones
#114
Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

Which of those is an assault rifle?

They both are! The rule is if John Wayne used it in a cowboy movie, it's a good gun.

If John Wayne used it in a war movie, it's a mean scary deadly killer assault rifle.

 
bobnoorduyn
#115
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I'm hard pressed to remember an incident whereby someone who was less than extreme!y unhinged was dragged from some sort of transit like that. ...black, white, Asian, striped, spotted, ...


I've only had it twice where I had someone removed, one was belligerent, the other was drunk and belligerent, but they weren't dragged, just kind of forcefully escorted, the paperwork is a b!tch just the same. However I did have a guy climb half way out the door of a Beaver once, I was able to reach over and grab him to pull him back inside, the front doors are pretty small and apparently you can open them in flight, sure caught me off guard, that could've been a real paperwar.
 
Curious Cdn
#116
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

I've only had it twice where I had someone removed, one was belligerent, the other was drunk and belligerent, but they weren't dragged, just kind of forcefully escorted, the paperwork is a b!tch just the same. However I did have a guy climb half way out the door of a Beaver once, I was able to reach over and grab him to pull him back inside, the front doors are pretty small and apparently you can open them in flight, sure caught me off guard, that could've been a real paperwar.

You'd spend your life savings convincing the Crown that you didn't give him a little push.
 
bobnoorduyn
#117
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

You'd spend your life savings convincing the Crown that you didn't give him a little push.


Which at that time would've been around 25 bucks, bargain. . But there were 4 other witnesses who were just as surprised, some were even half a$$ed sober, up 'tll then anyway.

Actually, I took his bottle away, that's what started it.
 
petros
#118
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

Which at that time would've been around 25 bucks, bargain. . But there were 4 other witnesses who were just as surprised, some were even half a$$ed sober, up 'tll then anyway.

Actually, I took his bottle away, that's what started it.

Big meanie.
 
Kreskin
#119
I found a film of the incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzUc3Eqzzos
 
bobnoorduyn
+1
#120
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Big meanie.


Well at least I didn't throw it out the window like one other guy I knew used to, he wasn't too well liked.