Minimum wage should be $0


Walter
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Lower Minimum Wage To $0 - Katie Kieffer - Page full
 
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lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Lower Minimum Wage To $0 - Katie Kieffer - Page full

Why should agent provocateur be reserved for Guvmint and political hacks? Some people even support slave labour and mass killing
 
Tecumsehsbones
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For a good look at what happens without a minimum wage, labor protections, health and safety standards, and unions, read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle.
 
Liberalman
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

For a good look at what happens without a minimum wage, labor protections, health and safety standards, and unions, read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle.

For those who are interested 16 hours long
The Jungle by Upton Sinclair (Full Audiobook)
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=_7YgredXXD8
 
MHz
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Public service seems to be minimal labor so let the wages reflect the output, minimal.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Lower Minimum Wage To $0 - Katie Kieffer - Page full

Move to China.. seems you like their style of gumbit.
 
Walter
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No. I don't want any gubmint telling employers what they have to pay their employees.
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

No. I don't want any gubmint telling employers what they have to pay their employees.

There has to be a minimum wage.. look at history dude.. no learn history.

I bet you'd like to bring back the tenant farmer, like they hard in Ireland.

Sh*t let's just bring back slavery.
 
captain morgan
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Ludlow
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would you at least allow the gubmint to require the use of Vaseline?
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

 
taxslave
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Dam rightwingers. Always want to fuk with a good thing. Right now we got people bidding for jobs and these morons want us to just give them away.
 
Liberalman
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

For a good look at what happens without a minimum wage, labor protections, health and safety standards, and unions, read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle.

anyone who has 16 hours to waste
The Jungle by Upton Sinclair (Full Audiobook)

https://youtu.be/_7YgredXXD8
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Lower Minimum Wage To $0 - Katie Kieffer - Page full

Personally, I'm not big on a wage of zero, but unfortunately it is suitable for some employees I've encountered- good for f**k all and hard on grub!
 
DaSleeper
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****
 
coldstream
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Lower Minimum Wage To $0 - Katie Kieffer - Page full

Income and Capital Gains Taxes should be at a progressive 75% for incomes over $1 million.. and for all funds being transferred to foreign tax havens. It's time these Wall Street (or Bay Street) parasites payed the fair share of the loot, pillaged at the expense of honest labour.

It's time we realized that there is a criminal kleptocracy in complete control of the Global 'free' market economy, who impose subsistence wages onto desperate populations to augment their own grotesque.. and virtually untaxed.. wealth.

With an equitable distribution of wealth, a progressive tax regime, protective tariffs aimed at full and fairly payed employment, currency and credit control, strong unions, good management, strictly regulated markets and a national integrated industrial economy the issue of a minimum wage would become moot. All these are being systematically dismantle by the Free Market tyranny.
Last edited by coldstream; May 26th, 2015 at 01:20 PM..
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

Income and Capital Gains Taxes should be at a progressive 75% for incomes over $1 million.. and for all funds being transferred to foreign tax havens.

That program is working really well in France right now.

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

It's time these Wall Street (or Bay Street) parasites payed the fair share of the loot, pillaged at the expense of honest labour.

Take a ganders at the actual dollars that are being paid by the various income demographics in Canada and you'll start to understand exactly how ridiculous your statements are

Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

With an equitable distribution of wealth, a progressive tax regime, protective tariffs aimed at full and fairly payed employment, currency and credit control, strong unions, good management, strictly regulated markets and a national integrated industrial economy the issue of a minimum wage would become moot. All these are being systematically dismantle by the Free Market tyranny.

You have just described Greece.... Enjoy your membership to that uber exclusive club called the third world
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

****

******** !!
 
coldstream
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

That program is working really well in France right now.



Take a ganders at the actual dollars that are being paid by the various income demographics in Canada and you'll start to understand exactly how ridiculous your statements are



You have just described Greece.... Enjoy your membership to that uber exclusive club called the third world

It is impossible to patch up and bandage the damage that Global Capitalism has imposed on the world. It has absolutely and irrevocably FAILED.. in the EU, in NAFTA, in the WTO.

It has failed in the denationalization of currency through Monetarism, the free markets and commodification of currency and credit and its running dogs in the IMF, World Bank, and giant Investment Banks. What France tried.. or Greece.. is like trying rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic. Either we bring back the sovereign national economies.. or we will sink as global economic shipwreck.

All that i have stated WORKED.. in the West between 1945 and 1971 (when the Bretton Woods Currency Agreement was shelved) to produce the greatest expansion of productive economies in the history of the world.. And it has been a steady evisceration of economic vitality through out the West since. Not surprisingly it has engendered a massive polarization of wealth, de-industrialization. encroaching poverty, social disassembly.

Unrestrained global free markets are Evil. There is no 'invisible hand' regulating markets. Just the ambitions of greed and powerlust. They can only be remedied by reimposing reason to regulate, plan and equitably share wealth in national economies.
Last edited by coldstream; May 27th, 2015 at 01:43 PM..
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

It is impossible to patch up and bandage the damage that Global Capitalism has imposed on the world. It has absolutely and irrevocably FAILED.. in the EU, in NAFTA, in the WTO.

It has failed in the denationalization of currency through Monetarism, the free markets and commodification of currency and credit and its running dogs in the IMF, World Bank, and giant Investment Banks. What France tried.. or Greece.. is like trying rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic. Either we bring back the sovereign national economies.. or we will sink as global economic shipwreck.

All that i have stated WORKED.. in the West between 1945 and 1971 (when the Bretton Woods Currency Agreement was shelved) to produce the greatest expansion of productive economies in the history of the world.. And it has been a steady evisceration of economic vitality through out the West since. Not surprisingly it has engendered a massive polarization of wealth, de-industrialization. encroaching poverty, social disassembly.

Unrestrained global free markets are Evil. There is no 'invisible hand' regulating markets. Just the ambitions of greed and powerlust. They can only be remedied by reimposing reason to regulate, plan and equitably share wealth in national economies.

I disagree, and if you have ever shopped at Walmart or purchased anything that was grown, produced or manufactured outside your local community, then global capitalism has been successful for you

All in all, you have said a lot here, while saying almost nothing.

Referencing France or Greece as some kind of victim of the banking system, evil corporations and global commerce is a non-starter from the get-go.... Fact is this; both of the aforementioned nations have (and are) failing miserably because they are driving out capitalism in favor of gouging the people and entities that actually produce value in those nations. Socialist societies (just like capitalist ones) require money to operate and while it is easy to waggle a finger at capitalism and all the uglies associated with it, the reality is that without, there is no new 'value' created that can be used (in part) for the common good.

France and Greece have morphed into what ridiculous taxation, unbridled gubmint regulation, and politicians buying the vote... Add in the unfettered sense of entitlement in places like Greece (by virtue of political parties constantly buying the vote) and what were once societal benefits are now seen as rights without any notion of an associated responsibility.

On the monetary front, I am very curious as to what your solution to this issue is... Perhaps we go back to trading a chicken and couple of jars of preserves for services rendered?... Doesn't matter though really, those items are automatically commoditized and valued at a discount or premium based on the demand of the day, really no different the currency FX and arbitrage as we see it today.

... So, in the end; what have you accomplished by quashing capitalism other than putting the binders on tech advances, medical breakthroughs, lowering the standards for social services and punishing everyone in society?
 
Cliffy
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This Poor Coconut seller was insulted by a Rich man



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZcPtI7McjY
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taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

Income and Capital Gains Taxes should be at a progressive 75% for incomes over $1 million.. and for all funds being transferred to foreign tax havens. It's time these Wall Street (or Bay Street) parasites payed the fair share of the loot, pillaged at the expense of honest labour.

It's time we realized that there is a criminal kleptocracy in complete control of the Global 'free' market economy, who impose subsistence wages onto desperate populations to augment their own grotesque.. and virtually untaxed.. wealth.

With an equitable distribution of wealth, a progressive tax regime, protective tariffs aimed at full and fairly payed employment, currency and credit control, strong unions, good management, strictly regulated markets and a national integrated industrial economy the issue of a minimum wage would become moot. All these are being systematically dismantle by the Free Market tyranny.

I take it you have fond memories of the 1930s.
 
Cliffy
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coldstream
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I take it you have fond memories of the 1930s.

More lies of the Global Trading and Financial Oligarchy. The Great Depression was not the result of protectionism or regulation.. it was a result of an unregulated banking industry with respect to deposit guarantees and capital requirements. Its onset was the result of speculation and debt and lack of any oversight with respect to stock market regulation.

The Great Depression as a decade long phenomenon was the result of a drying up of liquidity and credit.. by the LACK of government intervention, up to nationalization of the banking industry.. to provide it.

Roosevelt (along with his sidekick, Canadian PM Mackenzie King) for all his efforts to relieve the cruelty of the Great Depression.. did not or could not address this fundamental issue.. until the imminent war against Fascism forced him to start spending and open up the credit sources by fiat in the States.. which immediately alleviated the immobility the economy was entrenched in.

Essentially nothing has changed as the same 'Free' Market nonsense brought on the onset of the 2008 financial debacle.. to an economy already ravaged of its industrial vigour by Free Trade and Monetarism. We had a brief period of an economy managed for the greater productive good and an equitable sharing of wealth as a whole between 1945 and 1971 which has been systematically dismantled since with absolutely devastating results.

Things are NOT getting better. We can expect shock after shock until the whole cruddy Global Free Market collapses.. likely into a World War. What solutions are being offered by the political establishment... only one.. AUSTERITY (along with tax breaks for the rich).. which will only augment the economic death spiral in which the world is caught.

Quote:


posted by Capt. Morgan.

I disagree, and if you have ever shopped at Walmart or purchased
anything that was grown, produced or manufactured outside your
local community, then global capitalism has been successful for you

Walmart is a blight for the communities it enters. It destroys retail and manufacturing.. downtowns and civic culture.. leaving devastated townscapes filled with those forced to shop for its 'bargains' sourced from production in the slave colonies of the Maquilladora Free Trade zones. It is unsustainable.. morally or practically.

Ultimately if we don't produce anything as a country.. we will be unable to afford to shop even at Walmart (as many who now rely on Food Banks and second hand charity outlets have already found out).
Last edited by coldstream; May 28th, 2015 at 02:06 PM..
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

yeah but they take all the risks....lol
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

yeah but they take all the risks....lol

Nobody in the world should have a say in setting their own salary, unless they are working for themselves. (and then the customer has the final say)

You have a weird philosophy, Walter!! You should isolate it from politics!
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Nobody in the world should have a say in setting their own salary,

No one should ever ask for a raise?
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

No one should ever ask for a raise?

There's a big difference!
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream View Post

Walmart is a blight for the communities it enters. It destroys retail and manufacturing.. downtowns and civic culture.. leaving devastated townscapes filled with those forced to shop for its 'bargains' sourced from production in the slave colonies of the Maquilladora Free Trade zones. It is unsustainable.. morally or practically.

Actually, there's considerable data that indicate that WalMart is beneficial to local retail in many cases, and that at worst its effect on "Mom & Pop" is mixed.

But don't let that interfere with your certainties, Blackleaf.

Uh, coldstream.

Whatever.
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Nobody in the world should have a say in setting their own salary,

Certainly the gubmint should not have a say in what people earn.
 

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