The killing of Jo Cox does not justify suspending democratic debate over the EU


Blackleaf
#1
Irish Republicans killed Mrs Thatcher’s close associate, Airey Neave MP, at the beginning of the 1979 general election campaign. Mrs Thatcher told the Commons, “Airey’s death…will enhance our resolve that the God-given freedoms in which he believed, and which are the foundation of our parliamentary democracy, will in the end triumph over the acts of evil men.” No one suggested that the campaign should be stopped.

Of course it is right to mourn Mrs Cox without regard to party or political opinion. But it is wrong to react to her death by taking as many days as possible out of the few that remain in this vital referendum campaign. As so often in the history of attempts to keep us in the EU, this causes a feeling of bad faith, which would create further division if Remain were to win...

The killing of Jo Cox does not justify suspending democratic debate over the EU



Charles Moore
19 June 2016
The Teelegraph


It's right to mourn, but politics must go on

In the Sunday Telegraph, David Cameron urged us to vote for a country which “looks to the future with hope, optimism and confidence’” Hear, hear. But we have heard no hope, optimism or confidence from the Remain side in the entire campaign.

True, some Remainers have praised the high ideals of the EU’s foundation, but only nostalgically. Literally none – that I have seen, at least – has praised any forward movement by the EU in the 21st century. None has supported the widening of the euro, or the EU’s strategy for the migrant crisis, or the famous Five Presidents’ report which calls for much greater EU integration.

Until his 'deal’ in Brussels four months ago, Mr Cameron told us that he was fighting for a “reformed Europe”.

However, this claim was clearly unsustainable, so he changed the subject. In his article yesterday, he did not even mention the negotiating “triumph” which, he said at the time, permitted him to recommend a Remain vote. Hardly anyone voting Remain now believes reform is coming. Indeed, a Remain vote would work against reform, a victory for the status quo.

Instead, the Remain campaign has been a political version of the gloomy clouds which have enveloped much of Britain this June. I cannot ever remember a sitting Chancellor of the Exchequer being so keen to tell voters how little his country can achieve if it breaks free, and setting out what appalling measures he will introduce to punish it if it does. Mr Cameron and George Osborne warn of “economic self-harm’” yet it is they that propose to administer it. To quote Angela Merkel, though I suspect she may have been thinking of something else: “Exaggerations…do not foster an atmosphere of respect.”

A feeling of bad faith

So it is cheek – actually, worse than cheek – for the Prime Minister to preach to us over the body of poor Jo Cox about the kind of country we wish to be. Mrs Cox was a promising young MP. It is those who intend to vote Leave on Thursday who want MPs to be re-empowered. The leaders of Remain, by contrast, seek endorsement for a system that neuters MPs and the millions who vote for them. It was thus almost instinctive for the Remain side to use the murder of Mrs Cox as a way to stop the debate. As he laid flowers in memory of Mrs Cox in Birstall, Mr Cameron said that MPs are elected “to act in the national interest”. This is not fully possible if the nation lacks democratic self-government.

Once upon a time, MPs’ reaction to a fellow parliamentarian’s death showed a different spirit. The last murder of a sitting MP was that of Ian Gow in July 1990. He was more important, in parliamentary terms, than Jo Cox, and his killing was wholly political rather than mad – it was the work of the IRA. Yet Parliament was not recalled for tributes. No party stood down from the by-election caused by his death.


Mrs Thatcher also lost colleagues to murderers

No decent political leader saw an end to an electoral contest as the right response to the killing of someone chosen through such a contest. The Conservatives, by the way, lost the post-Gow by-election in Eastbourne: no sensible person argued that this was an affront to his memory.

Irish Republicans also killed Mrs Thatcher’s close associate, Airey Neave MP, at the beginning of the 1979 general election campaign. Mrs Thatcher told the Commons, “Airey’s death…will enhance our resolve that the God-given freedoms in which he believed, and which are the foundation of our parliamentary democracy, will in the end triumph over the acts of evil men.” No one suggested that the campaign should be stopped.

Of course it is right to mourn Mrs Cox without regard to party or political opinion. But it is wrong to react to her death by taking as many days as possible out of the few that remain in this vital referendum campaign. As so often in the history of attempts to keep us in the EU, this causes a feeling of bad faith, which would create further division if Remain were to win.


Her death could divide, not unite


The Swedish example

We have been here before. In Sweden in 2003, there was a referendum about whether it should join the euro. Three days before polling, the foreign minister, Anna Lindh, was stabbed to death by a Sweden-born lunatic of Serbian descent who had extreme political views.

Anna Lindh was a strong supporter of joining the euro. That campaign was going badly, so desperate efforts were made to turn the horror at her murder towards a pro-euro vote. All formal campaigning ceased. One enthusiast for the new currency overreached by suggesting that the new Swedish euro coin, which would come in if his side won the referendum, should depict Ms Lindh’s head. When Swedes voted, 55.9 per cent of them rejected entry to the euro. Sweden happily retains its own currency to this day.


Pro-euro Anna Lindh was stabbed to death in September 2003 during Sweden's referendum about whether it should join the currency


Britain at its best would Leave


Mr Cameron says that Mrs Cox represented “Britain at its best”. Although few of us had heard of her before her tragic death, he is very likely right. But in this campaign he has inspired us with nothing about Britain at its best, and interpreted any desire for national independence as Britain at its worst. Let’s have the “hope, confidence and optimism” to Leave.



The killing of Jo Cox does not justify suspending democratic debate over the EU
Last edited by Blackleaf; Jun 20th, 2016 at 06:21 AM..
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8
 
Tecumsehsbones
#3
Here's what our Brexit buddy, UKIPper Princess, had to say about people who vote against the Brexit.

"He's another Remain traitor who will be hanged if (or when) Leave win."

So not really surprising if they jumped the gun a mite with Ms. Cox.
 
Blackleaf
+1
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Here's what our Brexit buddy, UKIPper Princess, had to say about people who vote against the Brexit.

"He's another Remain traitor who will be hanged if (or when) Leave win."

So not really surprising if they jumped the gun a mite with Ms. Cox.

The death penalty in Britain for treason was abolished in 1998 thanks to the EU.

We can bring it back when we gain our independence. Most people are supportive of a return of the death penalty in Britain. This is a normal, everyday opinion shared by most people. Nothing "extremist" about it.
 
Tecumsehsbones
-1
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

The death penalty in Britain for treason was abolished in 1998 thanks to the EU.

We can bring it back when we gain our independence.

And then, as you've stated, you intend to murder anybody who votes against BNP-Lite.
 
Blackleaf
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

And then, as you've stated, you intend to murder anybody who votes against BNP-Lite.

I think those actively taking part in an anti-British independence campaign - or those mocking such a thing on crappy US TV shows, in a country which saw many lives lost in the fight for its OWN independence - should at the very least face prison for treason once British independence occurs. The more extreme of these people, however, should face the death penalty. This is not an extremist view. This is the view of most Britons.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

I think those actively taking part in an anti-British independence campaign - or those mocking such a thing on crappy US TV shows, in a country which saw many lives lost in the fight for its OWN independence - should at the very least face prison for treason once British independence occurs. The more extreme of these people, however, should face the death penalty. This is not an extremist view. This is the view of most Britons.

Um, no, you said John Oliver should be hanged. Now you're talking about prison.

Why don't you just admit your agenda item #1 if Brexit passes is your own little Engerlish Kristallnacht?
 
Blackleaf
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Um, no, you said John Oliver should be hanged. Now you're talking about prison.

Why don't you just admit your agenda item #1 if Brexit passes is your own little Engerlish Kristallnacht?

John Oliver is poking fun at those who want independence for Britain in a country which FOUGHT A WAR for its own independence. His hypocrisy is breathtaking. He's a traitor and, when the death penalty for treason is reinstated after independence, he should be performing the Tyburn Jig.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

John Oliver is poking fun at those who want independence for Britain in a country which FOUGHT A WAR for its own independence. His hypocrisy is breathtaking. He's a traitor and, when the death penalty for treason is reinstated after independence, he should be performing the Tyburn Jig.

As should all Brexiters if Brexit fails.
 
Blackleaf
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

As should all Brexiters if Brexit fails.

Won't happen. There'll be no death penalty in Britain whilst it is part of the EU Empire and whilst the pernicious Human Rights Act holds sway.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#11
I like the way cameron says "vote for a country..."
IF Britian votes remain then they will be a country in name only
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Um, no, you said John Oliver should be hanged. Now you're talking about prison.

Why don't you just admit your agenda item #1 if Brexit passes is your own little Engerlish Kristallnacht?

Kind of like the after math of the American War for Independence?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Kind of like the after math of the American War for Independence?

I know, crazy, right? Sorta like one big ol' hockey riot.
 
Blackleaf
#14
America would never join the EU or anything like it - yet its leader, Son of Mau Mau, tells the British people that they should vote to stay in it and some of its people accuse those ordinary British citizens who are planning on voting Leave as being "BNP-lite."

Very strange.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#15
Obomba and unTruedoh! have the TTP AND the paper work on the AMERICAN Union has all ready been inked
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union
Since its been leaked they have gone into stealth mode

its world wide globalism, and I don't think they will take no for an answer

So any Americans giving you a hard time on this subject just haven't noticed the snake in the outhouse...yet

"Obama Presses "North American Union" With Mexico, Canada"
Obama Presses "North American Union" With Mexico, Canada
"Why we need a North American Passport"
Why we need a North American Passport (Opinion) - CNN.com

"Simply put, the plan is to submerge the sovereignty of the United States of America and politically integrate the U.S., Canada, and Mexico into a trilateral entity called the North American Union.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) calls it a “North American Community,” as if the corrupt culture and government of Mexico can be made to mesh with democratic systems in the U.S. and Canada. It means open borders and more criminal aliens in the U.S"
Trump Threatens “North American Union” Scheme

At least you may yet have the last laff on this subject BL
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Blackleaf
+1
#16
I'd laugh if such a thing came about not long after Britain breaks free from the shackles of the EU.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

America would never join the EU or anything like it - yet its leader, Son of Mau Mau, tells the British people that they should vote to stay in it and some of its people accuse those ordinary British citizens who are planning on voting Leave as being "BNP-lite."

Very strange.

Nah, not the leavers. Just the members of UKKKIP.
 
Blackleaf
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Nah, not the leavers. Just the members of UKKKIP.

What Ukip policies do you disagree with?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

What Ukip policies do you disagree with?

None of 'em.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#20
Hey, there's a human life involved here. The EU is just about money!
 
Blackleaf
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

None of 'em.

Not even the one which states that Ukip want a points-based immigration system for the UK similar to the one in use in Australia and Canada?
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I know, crazy, right? Sorta like one big ol' hockey riot.

Not quite. I don't recall any Canadian refugees from hockey riots seeking asylum in the US.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Not even the one which states that Ukip want a points-based immigration system for the UK similar to the one in use in Australia and Canada?

Well, OK, I oppose that one. I want Briddin fish-belly white, dentally challenged, and chinless.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Nah, not the leavers. Just the members of UKKKIP.

Someone better tell the Chinese and East Indian supporters of UKIP that they're supporting the wrong party.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Someone better tell the Chinese and East Indian supporters of UKIP that they're supporting the wrong party.

I didn't know there was a UKIP in China. Does the Chinese government know about this?
 
Corduroy
#26
Moreover, does North, West and South India know about East India's support for UKIP?
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Someone better tell the Chinese and East Indian supporters of UKIP that they're supporting the wrong party.

Correct. People of all races, who are fed up of uncontrolled immigration (largely due to the EU's free movement of people rule but also partly as a result of the British Establishment actually wanting 333,000 immigrants per year into Britain in order to "enrich" British society and to make it more Muslim) changing the very demographics of Britain for the worse, vote Ukip. You don't have to be a white Briton to be concerned about immigration and about the EU's ever increasing erosion of British sovereignty.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Correct. People of all races, who are fed up of uncontrolled immigration (largely due to the EU's free movement of people rule but also partly as a result of the British Establishment actually wanting 333,000 immigrants per year into Britain in order to "enrich" British society and to make it more Muslim) changing the very demographics of Britain for the worse, vote Ukip. You don't have to be a white Briton to be concerned about immigration and about the EU's ever increasing erosion of British sovereignty.

You realize he didn't say anything about race, right?

Let me ask you, since Jin appears to have tucked tail and scarpered, do you allow Chinese people to vote in your referenda?

Could explain how you lost Hong Kong, I reckon.
 
Blackleaf
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

do you allow Chinese people to vote in your referenda?

We don't allow Chinks to vote in the referendum, nor Wops, Frogs, Krauts, Ali Babas, Boongs, Bounty bars, Cheeseheads, Squinties, Guizis, Gooks, Dagos, Mongoloids, Japs, Macacas, Ragheads, Spearchuckers, Yellows, Yids and Zipperheads.

Only British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens who live in the UK, along with Britons who have lived abroad for less than 15 years, and the people of Gibraltar, are eligible to vote in the referendum.
Last edited by Blackleaf; Jun 20th, 2016 at 12:14 PM..
 
Tecumsehsbones
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

We don't allow Chinks to vote in the referendum, nor Wops, Frogs, Krauts, Ali Babas, Boongs, Bounty bars, Cheeseheads, Squinties, Guizis, Gooks, Dagos, Mongoloids, Japs, Macacas, Ragheads, Spearchuckers, Yellows, Yids and Zipperheads.

Only British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens who live in the UK, along with Britons who have lived abroad for less than 15 years, and the people of Gibraltar, are eligible to vote in the referendum.

OK. I just wondered because Jin was saying that Chinese and East Indian people support the Leave side. Couldn't quite figure out what the heck he was talking about, unless. . .

1. Citizens of other countries are allowed to vote in British referenda (didn't think so, but wanted to check)

2. Jin considers Brits of Chinese ancestry (I think he actually means Asian ancestry) to be something other (less) than white Brits. Which would conform to that idiot UKKKiper who said a man born in London and raised in Hampshire isn't "British enough" to be an MP because his ancestry is Sri Lankan.
 

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