Jesus Christ was born in Autumn, not in Winter!


Torch light
#1
It was Emperor Constantine who first assigned the birth of the Christ in December 25th .. he wanted to make compromise between the Christians and the Idolaters in his empire .. so he assigned the Greek celebrity days: December 25th he made it the birth of the Christ, and the other day of celebrity in his empire was January 1st... he wanted to fortify his empire as he deemed it.

So this was not the true birth of Jesus Christ .. the true birthday was in Autumn .. the time of cutting the date-clusters in Palestine .. In Iraq, the cutting of the date bunches is usually in November .. when the date is ripen, and before the season of the rain falling .. when the rain falls, the date fruit will corrupt and will be useless.

Quran 19: 22-33, which mean:
(22. "So she conceived [Jesus], and withdrew with him to a remote place [away from people, in order to give birth of him .]

23. And the labor pains drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree [to recline on it in the delivery]; she said [then]: "Would that I had died before this [incident]; would that I had been something forgotten."

24. And [when she gave birth to him, Jesus] called to her from below her: "Grieve not; your Lord has made beneath you[r feet] a flowing [water] stream."

25. "Shake the trunk of the palm-tree k toward you, and it will let fall on you culled l fresh dates."

26. "Eat, therefore, [of the fresh date], drink [of the stream water], and be comforted [and don’t fear of disgrace.]
But should you see any mortal [who may ask you about me], say [to him by signals]: "I have vowed to [God] Most Gracious a fast [of silence from speaking]; I will, therefore, not speak this day to any human being"
)
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25 k Which is at your side.

25 l Because it was Autumn, and it was the time of cutting the date-clusters; so when they culled its date, some dates fell on that hut, and when she shook the trunk, some dates which were on the hut fell which Mary took and ate.


More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/19.htm#a19_22
quran-ayat.com/pret/19.htm#a19_22
 
Walter
#2
So...
 
Torch light
-1
#3
So you are wrong: the god cannot be born, or be killed.
 
Cliffy
+1 / -1
#4
You are both wrong: there is no god and Jesus is a myth.
 
Johnnny
+1 / -1
#5
The problem is that you think we care.

We are evolving past religion while you still stick your head in the dirt waiting to be corn holed by a fictious entity.
 
Torch light
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

The problem is that you think we care.
We are evolving past religion while you still stick your head in the dirt waiting to be corn holed by a fictious entity.

You evolving past religion!?
From your brilliant words: you are either a Wicked Zionist or Satanist .. or both .. by all means, you follow Satan knowingly or not.
Last edited by Torch light; Aug 7th, 2018 at 04:40 PM..
 
Walter
+3
#7  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

You are both wrong: there is no god and Jesus is a myth.

Yet you continually tell us what he would do.
 
Torch light
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

You are both wrong: there is no god and Jesus is a myth.

Your testimony is not accepted. Your assertions are rejected.
 
Curious Cdn
#9
Jesus Christ was born in Autumn, not in Winter!


Well, that changes everything.

I suppose you're going to tell us that Santa Claus was a Turk, next eh?
 
White_Unifier
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

So to you Fso
No although you raw
But ho ho ho
Unless you go
Go or no
So grow .. you must grow

I thought Islam prohibited the consumption of alcohol other than for medical reasons.
 
Torch light
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Jesus Christ was born in Autumn, not in Winter!


Well, that changes everything.

I suppose you're going to tell us that Santa Claus was a Turk, next eh?


No, I tell you that you are a Wicked Zionist: a hater of both Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed; by all means you are a loser in this World and in the Next.

Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I thought Islam prohibited the consumption of alcohol other than for medical reasons.

I don't drink alcohol.. I edited that.
 
Curious Cdn
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I thought Islam prohibited the consumption of alcohol other than for medical reasons.

You can smoke all the hashish that you want but a sip of Sherry will send you to HELL FIRE FOR ETERNITY!



...the cheap stuff will, anyway.
 
White_Unifier
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

No, I tell you that you are a Wicked Zionist: a hater of both Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed; by all means you are a loser in this World and in the Next.



I don't drink alcohol.. I edited that.

I hope I believe in Jesus and Muhammad. Are you the judge of who believes in God?

Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

You can smoke all the hashish that you want but a sip of Sherry will send you to HELL FIRE FOR ETERNITY!



...the cheap stuff will, anyway.

Which Mr. Ford told you that?
 
Torch light
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I hope I believe in Jesus and Muhammad. Are you the judge of who believes in God?

Refer to the posts above; it is not directed to you, but to Curious Cdn.
 
White_Unifier
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Refer to the posts above; it is not directed to you, but to Curious Cdn.

Still, who are you to be telling another what he does or does not believe?
 
Curious Cdn
#16

No, I tell you that you are a Wicked Zionist: a hater of both Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed; by all means you are a loser in this World and in the Next.


Ahh, yes. You personally are the right hand of God and you do God's bidding directly.





Do you have a pilot's license by any chance?
 
Torch light
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Still, who are you to be telling another what he does or does not believe?


I tell you what God said that: Anyone does not adopt the Islam as his religion, will be a loser in the Next Life, and his work will not be accepted from him.

Quran 3: 85, which means:
(Anyone seeks any religion, other than the Islam, [his righteous work] will not be accepted from him [because the past religions were altered g ],
and he shall, in the Next Life, be of those who lose [the prosperity of Paradise.]
h)
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85 g By the hand of the ‘chiefs of sects’ and by the ‘scholars of error and misguidance’; so that they changed and altered with their desires, and then said: This is what God commanded and instructed in His Torah; but they were liars against God, for the purpose of their personal advantages and for the wealth and position.

While the Islam religion is the true religion which God commanded people to follow in the past and at the present time, because it is the standard religion till Doomsday; and its followers do not worship idols as did you, Jews, worship, and as did you, Christians, claim about the Trinity, while Muslims exclusively devote themselves to God alone.

85 h So that anyone who seeks any religion other than the Islam, will lose (or miss) the prosperity of Paradise.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_85
quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_85
Last edited by Torch light; Aug 7th, 2018 at 05:11 PM..
 
Johnnny
#18
I bet Torch Light is a solid shot with a hand gun.

Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

You evolving past religion!?
From your brilliant words: you are either a Wicked Zionist or Satanist .. or both .. by all means, you follow Satan knowingly or not.

My name isn't Faust.
 
Torch light
#19
These Quran ayat 4: 171 explain much about this subject:

[God – be glorified – addressed Christians:]

(171. People of the Book [: the Gospel], do not exaggerate in your religion a nor say aught concerning God save the truth b .

The Messiah: Jesus the son of Mary was but a messenger of God c , and His "word" d , that He cast to Mary and a "spirit" e [coming] from His [neighborhood],

so believe in God f and [all] His messengers g .

Say not "Trinity"
h ; desist [from such words], it will be better for you i ; for God is One God j ; Far Exalted is He above having any son. To Him belong all the [cosmic destructive factors] in the [gaseous] heavens k , and [the sudden destructive factors] on earth l .

God suffices for a One Who records your acts
m .

172. The Christ will never disdain to be a servant of God, neither will the angels favored n [by God.] Whosoever disdains to serve Him, and waxes proud, He will gather them altogether to Him [in the space o .]

173. As for those who believe and do righteous [deeds], He will give them their [due] wages p , and increase them still more out of His bounty q .

Whereas those who are disdainful
r and arrogant, He will punish them [in Hell] with a painful chastisement, and they shall not find for them, apart from God, any guardian s or savior t .)
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171 a i.e. do not exceed the truth in your religion.

171 b i.e. say God is One without associate, as is it in the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran, but don't say: a third of three in a Trinity.

171 c But is not his son as do you claim.

171 d The Christ in heaven was surnamed "The word of God."

171 e i.e. one of those angels in His neighborhood in the ethereal heavens; they are a kind of angels [called the "spirit" or the "Rouh"; i.e. he came down from the heavens to the earth and entered in the body of the fetus formed in the womb of Mary.

171 f That He is One having no son.

171 g And don't deny anyone of them.

171 h Father, son and a holy spirit.

171 i Than clinging to it.

171 j And they are not three as do you claim.

171 k Like meteors, meteorites, and storming winds.

171 l i.e. the sudden destructive factors, like volcanoes, earthquakes, torrents and others; so that He may afflict you with some of them, if you don't devote yourselves to Him alone.

171 m So that He will punish you following your death, according to your acts.

172 n All of them do not disdain from admitting their slavery to God and submitting themselves to Him.

172 o And call them to account.

173 p i.e. He will give them their recompense, in full without any decrease.

173 q And according to His generosity.

173 r To worship Him.

173 s To take care about their affairs.

173 t To help and save them from the punishment.

More understanding is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/4.htm#a4_171
quran-ayat.com/pret/4.htm#a4_171
 
Danbones
-1
#20
You have Mohammad, (Um...Dam Ham ) and Jesus Christ, ( Rich jests US).

All religion, (Leg Iron, I ) is a scam.
Last edited by Danbones; Aug 8th, 2018 at 06:43 AM..
 
Torch light
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

You have Mohammad, (Um...Dam Ham ) and Jesus Christ, ( Rich jests US).

All religion, (Leg Iron, I ) is a scam.

These are not more than vain words .. non-sense ..

From such silly words of yours, I think you are of Christian descent or origin .. although non-religious ..

so you don't agree to read and reason the words of the Quran, the meaning of which I have just explained .. therefore, you mock .. while the mockery is nothing more than vain silly words.

So you have kept your Christian descent (bigotry), while at the same time, you ignored reading and realizing the words of the Quran (claiming you are non-religious.)

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Now I ask Christians (and Muslims) this question:
Why did the family of Virgin Mary pardon her, after she gave birth to Jesus miraculously without father?

Keeping in mind that she belonged to a most strict and observant family who were the custodians of the House of God at Jerusalem?

After listening to the answers, I may give two reasons, by God's will some time later on.
Last edited by Torch light; Aug 8th, 2018 at 07:28 AM..
 
MHz
+1
#22
9 months before that brings us back to late Dec. and Jesus being entered into the Book of Life as that is when He was conceived. We can't crucify anybody for celebrating the right date even if it is the wrong reason. The belly button is the mark left when God pokes a person with His finger and says, 'You're done.'


Mary was married when she gave birth to Jesus, the 30 day purification she went through before she could take Jesus to the Temple to be anointed was normal when you had a male child.
 
Curious Cdn
#23
Jesus Christ was born in Autumn,

Not in a manger?
 
petros
#24
It's kind of obvious that taxes were paid after harvest rather than 4 months later.
 
Cliffy
#25
 
DaSleeper
#26
 
petros
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize, just as I did, that there's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path. - MORPHEOUS
 
Walter
+1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Jesus Christ was born in Autumn,

Not in a manger?

The manger was his bed, He was born in a stable.
 
petros
#29
It wasn't really a stable either. People back then kept some livestock inside their homes. It was a room in a house.
 
Curious Cdn
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It wasn't really a stable either. People back then kept some livestock inside their homes. It was a room in a house.

People back then didn't have houses divided into rooms.

It was a home birth.
 

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