"Proud Boys" Disrupt Mi'kmaw Memorial in Halifax


tay
#1
On Canada day, while members of the Mi'kmaw Nation held a memorial remembering MMIWG in Halifax , a local contingent of "Proud Boys" arrived to disrupt the event:


 
Curious Cdn
#2
Is this what passes for a Pride Parade in Halifax?
 
tay
#3
The commanding officer of the Royal Canadian Navy on the East Coast is apologizing for the actions of several members of the Canadian Forces who were involved in a confrontation during an Indigenous protest in Halifax on Canada Day.

Rear Admiral John Newton said Tuesday that members represent their institution even when they're off duty and out of uniform in their personal lives.

"I'll stand here in front of you and apologize to the Aboriginal community, to the whole public community that feels offended by the actions of fellow Canadians who wear the uniform," he told a group of reporters.

On Saturday, a group of five men carrying a Red Ensign approached a gathering of Indigenous people and activists at the Edward Cornwallis statue in downtown Halifax.

The gathering paused as the five men approached and the two groups exchanged words. The man who was carrying the flag said, "You're disrespecting General Cornwallis."

A Facebook message that appears to be from Dave Eldridge, one of the military members who approached the activists and Indigenous protesters, told CBC News he is part of group called Proud Boys, a "multi-racial fraternal organization."

The Facebook page of the Proud Boys Canadian Chapters says they are "a fraternal organization of Western Chauvinists who will no longer apologize for creating the modern world," and do not discriminate on the basis of race or sexuality.

Newton said a military police investigation — as well as an administrative one — is underway. He would not say what the consequences would be for the Armed Forces members identified as Proud Boys.

"Trust me: this is a matter of supreme importance to get right and we're going to have to keep getting it right as we bring young people into the Canadian Armed Forces," he said.

Newton said the five people involved included members of the navy and army.

"It doesn't matter if you're off-hours or in civilian clothes, the fact that you're identified and your behaviours are perceived in contravention of our stated policies of the Canadian Armed Forces, you have just transgressed your personal life into your public life," he said.

"They should become educated in a hurry about what the Canadian Armed Forces really stands for."

Cornwallis was a British military officer who founded Halifax in 1749. Later that year, he issued a bounty on the scalps of Mi'kmaq people. There's been considerable debate over the use of Cornwallis's name on public parks, buildings and street signs

Organizers say they planned to hold the July 1 event there because they felt the statue is a symbol of the systematic persecution of Indigenous people, past and present.

Navy apologizes after 5 Armed Forces members disrupt Indigenous event on Canada Day - Nova Scotia - CBC News
 
Tecumsehsbones
#4
Nice to see Canada getting on board with the hate. It's the Zeitgeist.
 
darkbeaver
+1 / -1
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“Your churches will be used to teach the Jew’s religion and in less than two hundred years, the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry.”

—-General George Cornwallis 1781

Pride goeth before a fall. They're boys in mind for sure and stupid mouthy twits, cannon foder, ready willing and dressed, educated to die in some cold trench protecting the rich and powerful pricks who consume them by the millions every decade. Will history never change?
 
Curious Cdn
+1
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Nice to see Canada getting on board with the hate. It's the Zeitgeist.

Sounds to me as if the Migmaw are carrying around a ton of hate, too.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Sounds to me as if the Migmaw are carrying around a ton of hate, too.

Probably more like anger than hate. Nothing much has changed since Cornholish paid for their scalps. Witness the way the RCMP attacked them recently at the anti fracking demonstrations with assault weapons.
 
Curious Cdn
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Probably more like anger than hate. Nothing much has changed since Cornholish paid for their scalps. Witness the way the RCMP attacked them recently at the anti fracking demonstrations with assault weapons.

Well, we can give them money. We can get into ships and planes and go back to Britain and Europe and China and India and Pakistan and North Africa, South Africa, East Africa, West Africa, and every other place on Earth because, you know, we are living on stolen land. We may very well be but that is not going to change. It will be like that forever more. So, it's down to throwing guilt money at the indigenous population.
 
petros
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I truly forgive them.

I apologize for the people who came here 388 years before and abruptly ended the stone age before my family showed up.
 
Curious Cdn
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I truly forgive them.

I apologize for the people who came here 388 years before and abruptly ended the stone age before my family showed up.

I feel a lot of guilt, too. A single payment obviously won't be enough.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I feel a lot of guilt, too. A single payment obviously won't be enough.

I think they just want to be treated like human beings, with respect. I know it is hard for the racists, but, hey, they are a dying breed. Once the present stock of baby boomers, Gen Xers and anybody over 35 die off then there may be peace... maybe not. One can only hope.
 
petros
+2
#12
First you get self-respect then you get respected. It's not the other way around.
 
spaminator
#13
Proud Boys: ‘Willing to go places and disrupt things’
 
relic
+1
#14
Sort of related,was watching this crap on the news and they were talking about the confederate flag that these hooligans were waving. Are you ****ing kidding ? The only flag I see is the Red Ensign. What's the world coming to ?
 
DaSleeper
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

I think they just want to be treated like human beings, with respect. I know it is hard for the racists, but, hey, they are a dying breed. Once the present stock of baby boomers, Gen Xers and anybody over 35 die off then there may be peace... maybe not. One can only hope.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

First you get self-respect then you get respected. It's not the other way around.

On another note....

Nobody ever mentions that the Chief may be agitating band members to take their minds off their salaries and the way they are spending band money that the government gives them?


A recent court order gives the Onion Lake Cree Nation near the Alberta/Saskatchewan border 30 days to disclose its basic financial records.
The Canadian Taxpayers Federation helped with a court application that was launched by band member Charmaine Stick in 2016.
On Saturday, CTF Prairie Director Todd MacKay told the Alberta Morning News this was a huge decision.
Onion Lake Cree Nation is one band that has refused to provide that kind of transparency for years. The federal government is no longer enforcing the First Nations Financial Transparency Act, so that meant that band members like Charmaine Stick literally couldn’t find out what was going with their community’s money.”
Stick made headlines in 2014 by going on a 13-day hunger strike in a bid to try and push the band for better financial transparency.
MacKay believes this order sends a strong message.
“You don’t just have to worry about the federal government enforcing the law, you really have to be worried about grassroots band members because they can apply to the courts to compel their leaders to do what everybody should do when they’re spending public dollars and let folks know what’s going on. That’s why this is such an important decision.”
He said most first nations do post their finances, but there are still some that are refusing, and this is an extraordinary failure by the federal government.


More:Court order gives Onion Lake Cree Nation 30 days to disclose basic financial records | Globalnews.ca


Adendum: The chief has just appealed the court's decision using band money that the government puts in his care for the band member...

And of course Cliffy will probably defend the chief
Last edited by DaSleeper; Jul 7th, 2017 at 07:28 AM..
 
pgs
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

On another note....

Nobody ever mentions that the Chief may be agitating band members to take their minds off their salaries and the way they are spending band money that the government gives them?


A recent court order gives the Onion Lake Cree Nation near the Alberta/Saskatchewan border 30 days to disclose its basic financial records.
The Canadian Taxpayers Federation helped with a court application that was launched by band member Charmaine Stick in 2016.
On Saturday, CTF Prairie Director Todd MacKay told the Alberta Morning News this was a huge decision.
Onion Lake Cree Nation is one band that has refused to provide that kind of transparency for years. The federal government is no longer enforcing the First Nations Financial Transparency Act, so that meant that band members like Charmaine Stick literally couldn’t find out what was going with their community’s money.”
Stick made headlines in 2014 by going on a 13-day hunger strike in a bid to try and push the band for better financial transparency.
MacKay believes this order sends a strong message.

“You don’t just have to worry about the federal government enforcing the law, you really have to be worried about grassroots band members because they can apply to the courts to compel their leaders to do what everybody should do when they’re spending public dollars and let folks know what’s going on. That’s why this is such an important decision.”
He said most first nations do post their finances, but there are still some that are refusing, and this is an extraordinary failure by the federal government.


More:Court order gives Onion Lake Cree Nation 30 days to disclose basic financial records | Globalnews.ca


Adendum: The chief has just appealed the court's decision using band money that the government puts in his care for the band member...

And of course Cliffy will probably defend the chief

I like it when one of those chiefs sit in at the poker game at the local casino . They throw a lot of hundred dollar bills on the table .
 
DaSleeper
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

I like it when one of those chiefs sit in at the poker game at the local casino . They throw a lot of hundred dollar bills on the table .

And they don't drink cheap Catawba or Rosé......
 
Mowich
+3
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Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

On Canada day, while members of the Mi'kmaw Nation held a memorial remembering MMIWG in Halifax , a local contingent of "Proud Boys" arrived to disrupt the event:



Not a blow was struck. Not a disrespectful word uttered. Then the men were outed as Canadian Forces members and soon were tossed under the bus by their leaders

"Also for the record, the men were well-spoken, polite and respectful; they were met by a young woman, from the protesters, who was equally polite and respectful. The men explained they were curious and wanted to see what was going on; she said they’d be welcome to listen quietly if they didn’t disrupt things. But a couple of other protesters were not similarly inclined.

One snarled, “This is a ****ing genocide.” Someone else said, “This is Mi’kmaq territory, to which one of the Proud Boys replied, “This is Canada.” Members of each side tossed about historically inaccurate facts in the manner of the young and unschooled. Another young woman bristling with hostility kept moving closer to one of the men until she was practically touching him. “You don’t seem to like me standing so close,” she said. “You’re very close,” he replied calmly.

But then the Proud Boys left, having been chastised for their pronunciation of Mi’kmaq and for their disrespectful tone, or, as a protester put it, got “the —- out of here.”

There were no harsh words from the Proud Boys. There was even some humour; once, told by a protester to speak more softly, one of the men said, in effect, “What? This is a library now?” But he did as he was asked.

Not a blow was struck. Not a disrespectful word was uttered, unless, of course, one counts the mere questioning of Indigenous protest as disrespectful. Not a gram of cereal was consumed or thrown.

Then the men were outed on social media as being members of the Canadian Forces. Four, as it turned out, are sailors, one is in the army. (A sixth military person was on the periphery, but not involved.)

In short order, the men were smartly tossed under the bus by their leaders."

Christie Blatchford: Proud Boys’ behaviour might be goofy, but is hardly




 
EagleSmack
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Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Is this what passes for a Pride Parade in Halifax?

White pride parade maybe.
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by relic View Post

Sort of related,was watching this crap on the news and they were talking about the confederate flag that these hooligans were waving. Are you ****ing kidding ? The only flag I see is the Red Ensign. What's the world coming to ?

Its being blown way out of proportion. Whatever these "Proud Boys" are they certainly weren't violent and were pretty polite.

If showing up for 10 minutes, asking questions and then pretty much leaving is what counts for deplorable behaviour these days then i think we should give our heads a shake. For a bunch of extremists with extremist behaviour and ideas they sure were extremely polite compared to other extreme groups they are classified alongside with.

I'm not defending them but to be honest they should not have been thrown under the bus by the military.

Both groups clearly have different ideological beliefs and i see two separate protests confronting each other for 10 minutes.

The First Nations were the more aggressive ones and in my opinion as to why this has been blown out of proportions is because the "Proud Boys" were a bunch of white boys. Even the Canada's national Indigenous veterans organization has said this is being blown out of proportion and that these "Proud Boys" shouldn't lose their jobs, and that actually saying something.
 
Angstrom
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Its being blown way out of proportion. Whatever these "Proud Boys" are they certainly weren't violent and were pretty polite.

If showing up for 10 minutes, asking questions and then pretty much leaving is what counts for deplorable behaviour these days then i think we should give our heads a shake. For a bunch of extremists with extremist behaviour and ideas they sure were extremely polite compared to other extreme groups they are classified alongside with.

I'm not defending them but to be honest they should not have been thrown under the bus by the military.

Both groups clearly have different ideological beliefs and i see two separate protests confronting each other for 10 minutes.

The First Nations were the more aggressive ones and in my opinion as to why this has been blown out of proportions is because the "Proud Boys" were a bunch of white boys. Even the Canada's national Indigenous veterans organization has said this is being blown out of proportion and that these "Proud Boys" shouldn't lose their jobs, and that actually saying something.

Over sensitive, sensitive people over reacting to nothing because they are too sensitive.
 
Johnnny
+1
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Over sensitive, sensitive people over reacting to nothing because they are too sensitive.

Stfu
 
Angstrom
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Stfu

Don't be so sensitive
 
Johnnny
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Don't be so sensitive

Your are an example to my greatness
 
Curious Cdn
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post


Not a blow was struck. Not a disrespectful word uttered. Then the men were outed as Canadian Forces members and soon were tossed under the bus by their leaders

"Also for the record, the men were well-spoken, polite and respectful; they were met by a young woman, from the protesters, who was equally polite and respectful. The men explained they were curious and wanted to see what was going on; she said they’d be welcome to listen quietly if they didn’t disrupt things. But a couple of other protesters were not similarly inclined.

One snarled, “This is a ****ing genocide.” Someone else said, “This is Mi’kmaq territory, to which one of the Proud Boys replied, “This is Canada.” Members of each side tossed about historically inaccurate facts in the manner of the young and unschooled. Another young woman bristling with hostility kept moving closer to one of the men until she was practically touching him. “You don’t seem to like me standing so close,” she said. “You’re very close,” he replied calmly.

But then the Proud Boys left, having been chastised for their pronunciation of Mi’kmaq and for their disrespectful tone, or, as a protester put it, got “the —- out of here.”

There were no harsh words from the Proud Boys. There was even some humour; once, told by a protester to speak more softly, one of the men said, in effect, “What? This is a library now?” But he did as he was asked.

Not a blow was struck. Not a disrespectful word was uttered, unless, of course, one counts the mere questioning of Indigenous protest as disrespectful. Not a gram of cereal was consumed or thrown.

Then the men were outed on social media as being members of the Canadian Forces. Four, as it turned out, are sailors, one is in the army. (A sixth military person was on the periphery, but not involved.)

In short order, the men were smartly tossed under the bus by their leaders."

Christie Blatchford: Proud Boys’ behaviour might be goofy, but is hardly




Yeah, that's pretty much the impression that I got.

It is a mistake, though, to bring the uniform into disrepute and it is an extremely bad idea, in the context of human history, for serving members of the military to be involved in overt political action, like that. Politicised militaries go to VERY bad places, without fail.
 
DaSleeper
#27
If they had been wearing the uniform, I might agree with the general reaction, but they were in civies.......everyone is making a mountain out of the proverbial molehill.....
But this is an internet forum......so who cares......non?
 
Curious Cdn
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

If they had been wearing the uniform, I might agree with the general reaction, but they were in civies.......everyone is making a mountain out of the proverbial molehill.....
But this is an internet forum......so who cares......non?

As soon as they were "outed" Admiral Lloyd really had no choice but to act. Thrown under the bus is not quite what happened.
 
Bar Sinister
+1
#29
Here is what most people seem to be overlooking. The military is supposed to be politically neutral. It does not matter what the views of individual members of the military are; if they wish to express them, then they should get out of the military. This is a principle enshrined in the military of every democracy. Of course, we could ignore this principle and let the military become political in exactly the way it has in many of the various dictatorships around the world.
 
Blackleaf
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

“Your churches will be used to teach the Jew’s religion and in less than two hundred years, the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry.”

—-General George Cornwallis 1781

Do North Americans reaally believe that such a thing were uttered by Mr Cornwallis? Do they teach this tripe in your schools?