Trumpís tariffs are already backfiring


Hoid
#121
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Tariffs are taxes.

Softwood lumber tariffs are special taxes being paid by Americans who are trying to rebuild after a couple of years of devastating hurricanes with, apparently, no ill effects on the Canadian producers. What an evil, cynical bunch they have running their country.

Yes they are the way that the 99% replaces the money being gifted to the 1% - at least to a degree. They will never pay it all back but debt no longer matters.
 
Hoid
#122
Trump setting new China trade deficit record.

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/12/17967...-trump-deficit

What do they call it when you accomplish the exact opposite thing that you are trying to accomplish?

Business as usual?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#123
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Yes they are the way that the 99% replaces the money being gifted to the 1% - at least to a degree. They will never pay it all back but debt no longer matters.

What the feck are you babbling about? ".. paying back" ...paying back what?
 
Hoid
#124
paying back the economic debt that exists due to tax cuts.

As Mr Harper illustrated - conservatives around the world will not tolerate debt reduction. Debt is their birthright.
 
Walter
#125
How Trumpís Trade War Is Driving China Nuts
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...r-china-221310

Except for the past paragraph, the author wants to keep his job at the left-wing Politico, a good analysis. MAGA
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#126
**cking Trump and his Steel tariffs, huh? What? Wait a minute you meant Trudeau

Mexico to consider all actions in response to Canadian steel tariffs

Quote:

Mexico will consider all possible actions in response to Canadian steel tariffs, including the possibility of going to the World Trade Organization, Deputy Economy Minister Juan Carlos Baker said on Monday.
Mexico's government has rejected Canada's move to impose new quotas and tariffs on imports of seven categories of steel from many countries, including Mexico.
(Reporting by Sharay Angulo)

 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#127
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

**cking Trump and his Steel tariffs, huh? What? Wait a minute you meant Trudeau
Mexico to consider all actions in response to Canadian steel tariffs

You mean that Trudeau declared the United States to be a security threat to Canada and slapped tariffs on steel and aluminum?

Really?

Is that how it really happened?

p.s. Are we actually a security threat to the United States?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#128
You couldn't even read that really short article? Canada slapped the tariffs on Mexico and other countries over Steel
 
Hoid
#129
That's how tariffs work.

Trump initiated the process and Canada must respond
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#130
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

You couldn't even read that really short article? Canada slapped the tariffs on Mexico and other countries over Steel

We did that arbitrarily, right out of the blue, did we?

Nasty old Canada ... always on the attack ...
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#131
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

That's how tariffs work.
Trump initiated the process and Canada must respond

Respond to who? Canada is trying to save their steel industry now that the US market is harder to access
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#132
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

We did that arbitrarily, right out of the blue, did we?
Nasty old Canada ... always on the attack ...

No choice now, so shouldn't we show that big bad Trump and not put up protection for our Steel industry? Prove a point?
 
MHz
#133
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Trump is not Canada's friend.


Neither are you it would seem, Walter.

Totally agree, even higher if you change Trump to USA.

Walnut is not a friend to anybody, if he doesn't hate you you are embarrassed to be part of the same collective. I'm pretty sure the part about him growing up once he is an adult is never going to arrive if he doesn't find some better teachers, know what I mean?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#134
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

No choice now, so shouldn't we show that big bad Trump and not put up protection for our Steel industry? Prove a point?

The point is that the tariffs are in place because of an insane POTUS.
 
White_Unifier
#135
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Trump is not Canada's friend.
Neither are you it would seem, Walter.

Trump is not the US' friend either, what with his taxing the hell out of his consumers through tariffs.
 
White_Unifier
#136
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

That's how tariffs work.
Trump initiated the process and Canada must respond

No, Canada did not need to respond. It had the choice to decide to let the US shooting itself in the foot without copying its foolish example.
 
Hoid
#137
Tariffs are universally met with counter tariffs.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#138
Yep that is what Mexico is looking at to respond to Canada right now
 
Hoid
#139
It isn't rocket science
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#140
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

No, Canada did not need to respond. It had the choice to decide to let the US shooting itself in the foot without copying its foolish example.

The people of Canada will never stand for being treated as a door mat by a sociopath bully like Trump.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#141
No it isn't, but it took me awhile to school you last time we debated it, didn't it Hoid?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#142
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The point is that the tariffs are in place because of an insane POTUS.


He used them to get the US back into the game what is wrong with that? Why should Canada benefit from the weaker dollar to flood the US market with cheap Steel and Aluminum? Just like now JT wants to stave off cheaper steel from other nations and raised tariffs, so what makes Trudeau in the right while Trump is in the wrong?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
-1
#143
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

He used them to get the US back into the game what is wrong with that? Why should Canada benefit from the weaker dollar to flood the US market with cheap Steel and Aluminum? Just like now JT wants to stave off cheaper steel from other nations and raised tariffs, so what makes Trudeau in the right while Trump is in the wrong?

The US worker is "out of the game" because of automation (and a sub-standard educational system in which American worker's skill sets fall steadily behind) and not because of foreigners. Blaming outsiders for your own shortcomings is a classic tactic of fascist leaders.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#144
Yeah well they have mills coming out of mothballs and churning out steel again so something must have happened
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#145
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Yeah well they have mills coming out of mothballs and churning out steel again so something must have happened

They have mills in moth balls because they are no longer efficient. Making America less efficient will not help her.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#146
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They have mills in moth balls because they are no longer efficient. Making America less efficient will not help her.

Poor George .
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#147
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The US worker is "out of the game" because of automation (and a sub-standard educational system in which American worker's skill sets fall steadily behind) and not because of foreigners. Blaming outsiders for your own shortcomings is a classic tactic of fascist leaders.




True enough. I've seen all this before when Japanese products were pushing American made goods to the side. Prior to the 1970s the US actually manufactured most of its appliances and automobiles. Japanese products which were cheaper and often better made began to push US-made products aside. The US attempted to resist this by placing tariffs on the imports, tariffs that the Japanese evaded by simply improving their production methods and lowering their price even more. Eventually, as we all know, many American companies simply disappeared or moved their factories out of the country.



The same thing seems to be happening with China. Rather than attempting to compete with the Chinese the Americans are once again trying the same failed tactic. I expect they will have the same success as they had with the Japanese.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+2
#148
Exclusive: U.S. Steel workers set to get biggest pay raise in years - sources
CHICAGO (Reuters) - United States Steel Corp (X.N) workers are set to get the biggest wage jump in at least six years under a new deal negotiated with the company, providing early signs that gains from U.S. President Donald Trump’s clampdown on foreign imports are finally trickling down.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1MQ2Q3
BUSINESS
Steelworkers, U.S. Steel Reach Tentative Contract Agreement
Workers for Pittsburgh-based steelmaker have been pushing for raises amid 25% tariffs on steel imports implemented by the Trump administration
https://www.wsj.com/articles/steelwo...ent-1539635429

Gee, a total failure of the democrats to wreck the us economy...or even discuss such economic subjects rationally - I blame schools.
Last edited by Danbones; Oct 24th, 2018 at 07:14 AM..
 
Hoid
#149
All it takes is for the government to step in and control the free market.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#150
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

All it takes is for the government to step in and control the free market.

Let's finish than thought ...

"... to make everything else as inefficient as the obsolete, protected industries."
 

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