God is the Most High


Torch light
#1
This is the soora 70 in the book of the Quran, recited by an excellent Meccan reciter:

[youtube]XwUicRcTsUM[/youtube]

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1

This is the explanation of this great soora 70 in the book of the Quran:

Soora 70

(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)

1. One demanding, demanded the chastisement which is about to befall

[Then God – be glorified – explained that the chastisement will befall all the disbelievers, and that none can avert them the chastisement, and He said:]
2. To [befall] the unbelievers, which none can repel,

3. [A penalty] from God, the Lord of the ‘stairways of ascent’.

4. [Whereby] the angels and [Gabriel] the [Trustworthy] Spirit ascend to Him in a day the measure of which [to disbelievers and the guilty] is [as], fifty thousand years.

5. Therefore, persevere patiently [the annoyance and mockery of your people, O Mohammed] with fair patience.

6. For they see it as highly improbable.

7. But We see it drawing nigh.

More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1

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Quran 70: 8-18, which mean:

[Then God – be glorified – explained some events which will occur on that day which will last one thousand years, and He said:]
8. The day when the sky shall be [as turbid] as the turbid [boiled] oil [of sesame],

9. And mountains shall be like the [fluffy] wool.

10. And intimate [friend or relative] shall not ask of his intimate [friend or relative to save him from the chastisement.]

11. They will be put [by the angels] in sight of each other.
The sinner would that he could ransom himself from the chastisement of that day [even] by his sons,


12. his wife, his brother,

13. his tribe who sheltered him [in the life of the World],

14. And [he will desire to ransom himself with] whoever are in the earth, all together; so that then such [ransom] may deliver him [from the chastisement.]

[Then God – be glorified – said:]
15. No, assuredly [he will not be saved; for] it is a blaze.

16. That plucks out the scalp.

17. It shall invite [all] such as turn their backs [from believing in God] and turn away [from believing His messenger.]

18. And hoards [money] and stores it [in the safe.])

The explanation and the rest of this great soora is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_8
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_8
Last edited by Torch light; Aug 24th, 2018 at 05:05 PM..
 
Hoid
#2
Higher than this guy?

 
Torch light
#3
God is Most High: on His Throne of Glory: the Throne is over the Chair which is the seven ethereal heavens, and these ethereal heavens are over the gaseous heavens .. none knows the distance between one heaven and the other except God alone.

Quran 87: 1, which means:
(Glorify the name of your Lord, the Most High a .)
.................................................. ...........

1 a i.e. the High above everything; for God – be glorified His majesty – is over the Throne, and the Throne is over the Chair; the Chair is the seven ethereal heavens inhabited by angels; the Chair is over the gaseous layers, and these latter are above the earth. Moreover, none knows the distance between one ethereal heaven and another but only God Himself.

While (Glorify the name of your Lord) means: Mention Him in your prayers and in others, and say: (Subhana Rabbiy Al’Ala Wa Lahu Alham’d) i.e. Glory to my Lord the Most High and praise is due to Him.

However, the 'Throne' and the 'heavens' have been explained in details in the book The Universe and the Quran

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/87.htm#a87_1
quran-ayat.com/pret/87.htm#a87_1
 
Danbones
#4
He has the beast weed.

sreiously.
 
Torch light
#5
I imagine you, when the angels of death come to seize your ?pure soul
They say compelling: Enemy of God, pull your sinful soul out of your body!

Quran 6: 93-94, which means:
(If you [Mohammed] could only see when the wrong-doers suffered the agonies of death and the angels [of death] stretch forth their hands [to those of them who were about to die on their death bed, saying to them]:

"Get your souls out [of your bodies]; today you shall be recompensed with the chastisement of humiliation; for that you said [lies] against God [and words] other than the truth, and that you were arrogantly proud over [believing in] His signs [of revelation.]


94. Now [after your death] have you come to Us solitary [naked] as did We create you at first [when you came out of your mothers' wombs], and you have left behind you [in the World] all [the wealth, mates and children] that We gave to you in deposit,

and We see not with you those your intercessors whom you claimed to be associates [of God] in your opinion.

Now is the bond between you severed, and [the intercession] that you claimed [in the World] has failed you.
)

More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/6.htm#a6_93
quran-ayat.com/pret/6.htm#a6_93

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Whatever words I say to all of you, you take it in mockery and ridicule .. and do not take it seriously to study the words of the Quran .. of course the motives are understood .. you see themselves smart and overproud and you are glad with your self conceit and bigotry belonging to your peoples religions or else you get rid of all religions but do not yield to God's word in the Quran.

This is not confined to Jews or even to Christians in less degree, but also to Muslims: they also do not yield to the new interpretation of the Quran.

So I consulted God, about all of you, in the Quran .. and the ayat came to confirm me against the disbelievers:

Quran 51: 52-54, which mean:
(52. Even so [are your people, O Mohammed]: not a messenger came to those before them, but they said: "A sorcerer, or mad.'

53. Did they recommend that to each other? [No, they didn't] but they were a froward people.

54. So leave them [O Mohammed, and migrate to Yathrib]; you will not be reproached [for leaving them after you have already conveyed the message to them.]

55. And teach [others]; for teaching benefits the believers.)

More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/51.htm#a51_52
quran-ayat.com/pret/51.htm#a51_52
 
Danbones
#6
When I die my body stays here and a certain amount of energy goes to the happy hunting ground - as they have done for some hundreds of thousands of years.

It's funny watching about all these new take your money, take your land, take your freedom, take your kids, take your lives, take your time, take your choices, new comers.
 
Gilgamesh
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

This is the soora 70 in the book of the Quran, recited by an excellent Meccan reciter:

[youtube]XwUicRcTsUM[/youtube]

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1

This is the explanation of this great soora 70 in the book of the Quran:

Soora 70

(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)

1. One demanding, demanded the chastisement which is about to befall

[Then God – be glorified – explained that the chastisement will befall all the disbelievers, and that none can avert them the chastisement, and He said:]
2. To [befall] the unbelievers, which none can repel,

3. [A penalty] from God, the Lord of the ‘stairways of ascent’.

4. [Whereby] the angels and [Gabriel] the [Trustworthy] Spirit ascend to Him in a day the measure of which [to disbelievers and the guilty] is [as], fifty thousand years.

5. Therefore, persevere patiently [the annoyance and mockery of your people, O Mohammed] with fair patience.

6. For they see it as highly improbable.

7. But We see it drawing nigh.

More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1

================================================== =====

Quran 70: 8-18, which mean:

[Then God – be glorified – explained some events which will occur on that day which will last one thousand years, and He said:]
8. The day when the sky shall be [as turbid] as the turbid [boiled] oil [of sesame],

9. And mountains shall be like the [fluffy] wool.

10. And intimate [friend or relative] shall not ask of his intimate [friend or relative to save him from the chastisement.]

11. They will be put [by the angels] in sight of each other.
The sinner would that he could ransom himself from the chastisement of that day [even] by his sons,


12. his wife, his brother,

13. his tribe who sheltered him [in the life of the World],

14. And [he will desire to ransom himself with] whoever are in the earth, all together; so that then such [ransom] may deliver him [from the chastisement.]

[Then God – be glorified – said:]
15. No, assuredly [he will not be saved; for] it is a blaze.

16. That plucks out the scalp.

17. It shall invite [all] such as turn their backs [from believing in God] and turn away [from believing His messenger.]

18. And hoards [money] and stores it [in the safe.])

The explanation and the rest of this great soora is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_8
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_8

More rubbish from the rubbish man.
 
MHz
#8
It seems to appeal to you or you wouldn't be on his thread. BTW is that your confession?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#9
God must be smoking the really good shit.
 
Torch light
#10
Many blasphemers have either perished or severely punished: and they disappeared damned and accursed.
 
Cliffy
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Many blasphemers have either perished or severely punished: and they disappeared damned and accursed.

Won't you be surprised when, in death, you discover that it doesn't matter what you believe in, everybody is going to the same place. The divine does not judge or condemn, only humans like you do.
 
Gilgamesh
#12
There is no such thing as blasphemy.
 
Torch light
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Won't you be surprised when, in death, you discover that it doesn't matter what you believe in, everybody is going to the same place. The divine does not judge or condemn, only humans like you do.

In spite of your beautiful teeth.. God is Just and does not deal with all His servants in the same way: the evil disbeliever will not be like the charitable and righteous believer who believes God is One without associate or son.
So in death, you will discover that what you believe is the most important thing: and in order to be successful you should believe in God as One without associate or son, in addition man should confirm his belief with the righteous work and giving the charity.
Quran 68: 35-41 which mean:
[The associaters or idolaters said: If there are any gardens and prosperity, then we will certainly go to such gardens and prosper in them, because we feed the guest and the hungry and we dress the naked; therefore, this aya was revealed in reply to their words:]
(35. Shall We then make [the recompense of] those who submit themselves [to Our commandment] like [that of] the guilty?
36. What is the matter with you? How can you judge [the prosperity of Paradise for yourselves?]
37. Or have you a [Heavenly] Book in which you study [the statements of your religion? ]
38. And that in [such book] you surely have whatever [Gardens, prosperity and forgiveness] you may choose?
39. Or have you covenants binding on Us [that We will make you prosper in the Afterlife] till Doomsday? Then how can you judge [prosperity] for yourselves [in the Next Life?]
40. Ask them [O Mohammed] which of them does vouch for such [claim?]
41. Or do they have associates [who vouchsafe for them the prosperity in the Afterlife, and the admission into Paradise on Doomsday?] Then let them bring their associates [to give testimony before Us concerning this, and to admit this] if they speak truly [about their claim.])

More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/68.htm#a68_35
quran-ayat.com/pret/68.htm#a68_35
Last edited by Torch light; Sep 7th, 2018 at 06:01 AM..
 
Torch light
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

There is no such thing as blasphemy.

You are the blasphemer .. you are the disbeliever and atheist: a loser.
 
Torch light
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

When I die my body stays here and a certain amount of energy goes to the happy hunting ground - as they have done for some hundreds of thousands of years.
It's funny watching about all these new take your money, take your land, take your freedom, take your kids, take your lives, take your time, take your choices, new comers.

Keep cheating yourselves with such words that aren't true .. and in spite you believe that without certain proof...
"energy", "the happy hunting ground" etc.
Certainly, the new generation will succeed the older generation .. this is in the material world .. and God will inherit everything.

Quran 19: 40, which means:
(It is We Who shall inherit the earth and all who are on it n , and to Us shall they return [after death o .])
.................................................. ......................

40 n Because all the living beings on it will die and go to the ethereal world.
Then the earth will tear up to be meteorites, and none of living beings will remain on it.

40 o And We shall deal with them, with justice.

See the meaning of the 'inheritance' in this great aya of the Quran in this link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/19.htm#a19_40
quran-ayat.com/pret/19.htm#a19_40
 
Liberalman
#16
If God built a dam would it be God's dam?
 
Cliffy
#17
To know and understand truth you have to open yourself
to it. This requires an act of faith. In order to learn how to swim you first must let go of your anchors. Second hand accounts are worthless unless they inspire you to let go. Progress is impeded as long as the teachings and symbols are held to be the truth.
It is only when the student puts down his/her books and walks away from the teacher that the learning process begins. Books and teachers can only give us the tools necessary to learn the lessons which life has to offer.
When I think of those who say they are born again, in the religious sense, it brings to mind an analogy. Most people seeking the truth find spiritual nourishment in the pages of books much the same way a newborn finds bodily nourishment at its mother’s breast. But most adults once finding the breast (the book) are not willing to let go, even until death, to experience solid food (real life).
Once a child has outgrown its need for mother’s milk, it moves onto solid food and a more expanded view of its reality. Few adults move past this point, clinging desperately to the belief that if they let go of the breast they will fall into the abyss of the unknown.
“Belief is holding to a rock, faith is learning how to swim in the stream of life” - Allen Watts
There is far more to life than can be contained in the pages of a book (or in a whole library). You cannot know God/Life/Truth by reading someone else’s version of it. Yet people still maintain that the Primal Force, the origin of all we witness, can be contained, that the Infinite can be crammed into the pages of our holy books and our finite minds. Once receiving nourishment, the breast becomes all there is to reality. Holding on is not faith, but a most definite lack of it.
After nine months in the womb a baby’s natural urge is to get out and get on with life. It has no symbols to represent life. It does, however, have faith in life. And life is not a mystery to be solved but a reality to be experienced.
 
Torch light
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

To know and understand truth you have to open yourself
to it. This requires an act of faith. In order to learn how to swim you first must let go of your anchors. Second hand accounts are worthless unless they inspire you to let go. Progress is impeded as long as the teachings and symbols are held to be the truth.
It is only when the student puts down his/her books and walks away from the teacher that the learning process begins. Books and teachers can only give us the tools necessary to learn the lessons which life has to offer.
When I think of those who say they are born again, in the religious sense, it brings to mind an analogy. Most people seeking the truth find spiritual nourishment in the pages of books much the same way a newborn finds bodily nourishment at its mother’s breast. But most adults once finding the breast (the book) are not willing to let go, even until death, to experience solid food (real life).
Once a child has outgrown its need for mother’s milk, it moves onto solid food and a more expanded view of its reality. Few adults move past this point, clinging desperately to the belief that if they let go of the breast they will fall into the abyss of the unknown.
“Belief is holding to a rock, faith is learning how to swim in the stream of life” - Allen Watts
There is far more to life than can be contained in the pages of a book (or in a whole library). You cannot know God/Life/Truth by reading someone else’s version of it. Yet people still maintain that the Primal Force, the origin of all we witness, can be contained, that the Infinite can be crammed into the pages of our holy books and our finite minds. Once receiving nourishment, the breast becomes all there is to reality. Holding on is not faith, but a most definite lack of it.
After nine months in the womb a baby’s natural urge is to get out and get on with life. It has no symbols to represent life. It does, however, have faith in life. And life is not a mystery to be solved but a reality to be experienced.

Teacher, teach yourself first -- An Arabic song
Devil, your punishment may be so awful.. I think, as you try to turn people from God's way, and you yourself is misguided.
 
Torch light
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

If God built a dam would it be God's dam?

Brilliant are you, blasphemers; are you?
And therefore God has dammed you!
 
Gilgamesh
#20
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

 
Torch light
-1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

God does not do evil.. what you call evil is not evil .. it is the punishing of wrong-doers for their wronging and transgressing on people.
Therefore, the eradication of wrong-doers (most of them are atheists and idolaters) is a blessing not evil .. or else the earth will be full with wrong, iniquity, oppression and ungodliness.

So God is All-Able, All-Mighty and He does not wrong people: it is people who do wrong themselves by following the atheism, the idolatry, the adultery, the oppression and transgression.

Quran 10: 44, which means:
(God wrongs not people in anything, but it is people who do wrong themselves.)

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_44
quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_44
 
Torch light
#22
Moreover, if God leaves wrong-doers to do their wrong, transgression and trespassing the rights of other people .. then the oppression, injustice and iniquity will prevail.

According to a holy tradition, God - be glorified - said:

"The wrong-doer (or oppressor) is My sword, with which I take revenge of other wrong-doers and disbelievers, then on him I take revenge."
 
Gilgamesh
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by torch light View Post

god does not do evil.. What you call evil is not evil .. It is the punishing of wrong-doers for their wronging and transgressing on people.
Therefore, the eradication of wrong-doers (most of them are atheists and idolaters) is a blessing not evil .. Or else the earth will be full with wrong, iniquity, oppression and ungodliness.

So god is all-able, all-mighty and he does not wrong people: It is people who do wrong themselves by following the atheism, the idolatry, the adultery, the oppression and transgression.

quran 10: 44, which means:
(god wrongs not people in anything, but it is people who do wrong themselves.)

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_44
quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_44

you are certifiably insane.
 
Gilgamesh
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Moreover, if God leaves wrong-doers to do their wrong, transgression and trespassing the rights of other people .. then the oppression, injustice and iniquity will prevail.

According to a holy tradition, God - be glorified - said:

"The wrong-doer (or oppressor) is My sword, with which I take revenge of other wrong-doers and disbelievers, then on him I take revenge."

The preceeding is the insane ranting if a diseased, worm filled skull.
 
Christian
#25
The details remained that the Lord meant the science in people's sense of wisdom.

The name of Allah agrees.
 
Gilgamesh
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

This is the soora 70 in the book of the Quran, recited by an excellent Meccan reciter:

[youtube]XwUicRcTsUM[/youtube]

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1

This is the explanation of this great soora 70 in the book of the Quran:

Soora 70

(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)

1. One demanding, demanded the chastisement which is about to befall

[Then God – be glorified – explained that the chastisement will befall all the disbelievers, and that none can avert them the chastisement, and He said:]
2. To [befall] the unbelievers, which none can repel,

3. [A penalty] from God, the Lord of the ‘stairways of ascent’.

4. [Whereby] the angels and [Gabriel] the [Trustworthy] Spirit ascend to Him in a day the measure of which [to disbelievers and the guilty] is [as], fifty thousand years.

5. Therefore, persevere patiently [the annoyance and mockery of your people, O Mohammed] with fair patience.

6. For they see it as highly improbable.

7. But We see it drawing nigh.

More explanation is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_1

================================================== =====

Quran 70: 8-18, which mean:

[Then God – be glorified – explained some events which will occur on that day which will last one thousand years, and He said:]
8. The day when the sky shall be [as turbid] as the turbid [boiled] oil [of sesame],

9. And mountains shall be like the [fluffy] wool.

10. And intimate [friend or relative] shall not ask of his intimate [friend or relative to save him from the chastisement.]

11. They will be put [by the angels] in sight of each other.
The sinner would that he could ransom himself from the chastisement of that day [even] by his sons,


12. his wife, his brother,

13. his tribe who sheltered him [in the life of the World],

14. And [he will desire to ransom himself with] whoever are in the earth, all together; so that then such [ransom] may deliver him [from the chastisement.]

[Then God – be glorified – said:]
15. No, assuredly [he will not be saved; for] it is a blaze.

16. That plucks out the scalp.

17. It shall invite [all] such as turn their backs [from believing in God] and turn away [from believing His messenger.]

18. And hoards [money] and stores it [in the safe.])

The explanation and the rest of this great soora is in the link:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_8
quran-ayat.com/pret/70.htm#a70_8

Moo cows are not purple.

Dog told me that.
 
Gilgamesh
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Moo cows are not purple.

Dog told me that.

----(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful)------

1. Gracious? Floods, hurricanes, fires, earthquakes.

2. Never ever been the slightest proof that any such childish and medieval creature exists.

3. Brain cancer in babies? Gimme a break!

4. Grow up!
 
MHz
+1
#28  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

From Ge:1:1 until Re:20:1 this earth is an imperfect place. Men were made just short of being perfect, Angels were also made just short of being perfect or neither would have fallen into sin. The flood saw all fallen angels put in an escape proof prison for 'immortals' meaning they remain awake always, they are awake and in a place called 'the Pit', most will be there until the time God sends Satan to the fiery lake at the end of Re:20. That is when the imperfect heaven and imperfect earth from Ge:1:1 vanish. The Angels that did not sin move to the perfected version of their heaven and mankind moves into a perfected of this earth. In the new earth mankind is immortal so we do not have to eat food like Adam and Eve did and we know about good and evil and are sinless in God's view. No sin ever take place in the new heaven (Mount Sion, Heb:12) or in the new earth (universe as it will be empty). Evil is in the lake of fire and good is where People are and that never changes unless the new earth gets full and then some would follow and also call Mount Sion 'home'.
Good and evil were created as soon as law existed, for angels it was at the start of the 1st day of creation and for men in the Garden law was created at the end of the 6th day. Angels are under the Re:21 law and men will come to be under that same law when the 1,000 year reign starts.
The imperfect versions have a start and an end, the perfected versions start when the imperfect version ends and it has no ending. That seems to fit what a 'good plan' would include, a 'bad plan' would have the flawed part be the longer version and it would void what a 'new earth' ids described as being.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing?

Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Isa:55:11:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
it shall not return unto me void,
but it shall accomplish that which I please,
and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Jer:4:28:
For this shall the earth mourn,
and the heavens above be black:
because I have spoken it,
I have purposed it,
and will not repent,
neither will I turn back from it.

Both bruises from Ge:3:15 have to be completed before Adam and Eve are sinless again. The 1,000 year reign would mean they are alive and standing in the Garden again. So far the cross was the fulfillment of the bruise to the heel and when Jesus pours out the 7th vial that is the completion of the other bruise. Adam and Eve will be alive within 1 hour of Jesus saying, 'It is done.' When God says the same words in Re:21 the last person will be as saved as Adam and Eve were earlier. The new earth verse from Isa:66 is what He is referencing. Where Re:22 leaves off the new earth verses in Isa:65 take over as the ones saved at Judgment Day move out of New Jerusalem and into the new earth where they will make their homes.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing?

The Bible is about the completion of the two bruises from Ge:3:15 once you take away Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22. When you study something you tend to take a bit from one page and another bit from another page when you examine some point in greater detail. The return is the most talked about single event in the whole book so it does take a bit of time. The bad news for you is the more you read the more you will appreciate the complexity of the book when it comes to the finest details. Lies do do contain 'fine details' that is reserved for truthful things.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Then whence cometh evil?

Isa:45:5-7:
I am the LORD,
and there is none else,
there is no God beside me:
I girded thee,
though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun,
and from the west,
that there is none beside me.
I am the LORD,
and there is none else.
I form the light,
and create darkness:
I make peace,
and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.

The angel that is Jesus in Re:22 is the same form Jesus was in in the 40 days He was on earth after the cross. That form is the same one Christ used when He made an appearance in the OT before Moses became the High Priest to the 12 Tribes. Christ would gave been the angel that talked with Abraham when Lot was the topic. That was a change in Law, it will change back to that earlier law when men can live past the age of 120 and not die ever once they pass that mark.

Heb:7:1:
For this Melchisedec,
king of Salem,
priest of the most high God,
who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings,
and blessed him;

Heb:7:11-21:
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood,
(for under it the people received the law,)
what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec,
and not be called after the order of Aaron?
For the priesthood being changed,
there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe,
of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda;
of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
And it is yet far more evident:
for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Who is made,
not after the law of a carnal commandment,
but after the power of an endless life.
For he testifieth,
Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
For the law made nothing perfect,
but the bringing in of a better hope did;
by the which we draw nigh unto God.
And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
(For those priests were made without an oath;
but this with an oath by him that said unto him,
The Lord sware and will not repent,
Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

Heb:10:1-4:
For the law having a shadow of good things to come,
and not the very image of the things,
can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
For then would they not have ceased to be offered?
because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Heb:10:16-18:
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days,
saith the Lord,
I will put my laws into their hearts,
and in their minds will I write them;
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these is,
there is no more offering for sin.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Is he neither able nor willing?

He is not willing to abandon the plan set out in the book to satisfy your vain demands. How does that make you feel? You could always try sincere prayer until He is in your face, it seemed to work pretty good for Daniel when there was no temple and he was not in Jerusalem.

1Co:15:20:
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Co:15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Re:20:4:
And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Re:20:5:
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

Then why call him God?"


How can you call him God if you haven't been gathered yet? The 12 Tribes are not whole until the 1,000 year reign starts, Gentiles are not whole until the end of Judgment Day 1,000 years later.
 
MHz
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

4. Grow up!

You and the collective are the only hold-outs.


Isa:28:9:

Whom shall he teach knowledge?

and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?

them that are weaned from the milk,

and drawn from the breasts.
Isa:28:10:

For precept must be upon precept,

precept upon precept;

line upon line,

line upon line;

here a little,

and there a little:
 
Gilgamesh
#30
You are suffering, not just from a complete inability to answer any of my posts, but also from verbal diarrhea.

Quit quoting from brain dead, mindless rubbish and use your own brain; if any of it remains.
 

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