AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?


darkbeaver
#91
The following is a prime example of science fantasy written by complete idiots. They have the power train backward. Don't bother to read it unless you like stupid articles written by nose pickers. DB

Scientists call for research on climate link to geological hazards | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Scientists call for research on climate link to geological hazards

Experts say suggestions that climate change could trigger more volcanoes and earthquakes are speculative, but there is enough evidence to take the threat seriously


  • David Adam, environment correspondent
Smoke and steam hang over the volcano under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier in Iceland. Volcanic ash drifting across the Atlantic forced the cancellation of flights in Britain and disrupted air traffic across Europe last week. Photograph: Jon Gustafsson/AP

Scientists today called for wide-ranging research into whether more volcanoes, earthquakes, landslides and tsunamis could be triggered by rising global temperatures under global warming.
 
darkbeaver
#92
They're retarded, what other proof do you need? Just short days ago they were convinced that their models were impecable.


Missing Heat Hides From Climate Scientist



Climate scientists have decided that as much as half of the heat energy, believed to have built up on Earth in recent years, is hiding somewhere it can not be found.
 
darkbeaver
#93
CO2 causes global warming. CO2 is farts, lava rules. Molten rock by the hundreds of millions of tons spewing forth from every orifice on the planet, now that would be a machjo climate crisis of the human environment but it still would not present any threat at all to the planet which goes with the flow. haha Wasn't this foretold in revelations? Of course it was, because they had the old star charts and the histories of the alignment events. You'd think these perverted scientists could come up with a more competetive lie, unless of course you had been reading their stories for a while, in which case, you'd like me, have nothing but contempt for the bags of **** wind.
 
darkbeaver
#94
Heliophysics

Time History of Events and Macroscale Interactions During Substorms (THEMIS)
The five spinning THEMIS probes contain comprehensive packages of plasma and field instruments needed to determine the cause of geomagnetic substorms. In April of 2009, NASA’s fleet of THEMIS satellites detected vast electrical tornadoes about 40,000 miles above the night side of Earth. Gigantic energized twisters, the size of the earth or larger, channel electrically charged particles at speeds of more than a million miles per hour along the ionosphere's twisted magnetic field, where they power the auroras.
With all of these instruments active at the present time, and 8 more satellites designated as space weather observatories scheduled for launch in the next five years, the opportunities for Electric Universe theories to be supported will continue to increase.



 
ironsides
#95
How about saying that volcanoes and earthquakes will cause climate change, not might.

Scientists close in on mass killer of life on earth.


WASHINGTON — It was the greatest mass murder of all time — poison everywhere! billions slain! — but the killer or killers have never been positively identified.
An estimated 95 percent of all marine species and up to 85 percent of land creatures perished, according to Peter Ward, a paleobiologist at the University of Washington in Seattle.
Scientists call it "The Great Dying." Life took millions of years to recover.
Scientific sleuths, however, now think they're making progress toward pinning down what caused the extinction of most plants and animals on Earth some 251 million years ago.
The perpetrator wasn't an asteroid or comet, like the impact that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago and inspired movies such as "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon."
Instead, it was a cascade of events that began with a monstrous outpouring of hot, reeking lava in Siberia. Repeated floods of lava released massive amounts of carbon dioxide, which produced a runaway greenhouse effect, oxygen-starved oceans and a poisoned atmosphere.


Scientists close in on mass killer of life on earth | McClatchy


 
darkbeaver
#96
In the article CO2 is still being pushed as an initiator even after they've stated that it was precipitated by volcanic eruption. Runaway greenhouse effect is science fiction. Once the lava introduces enough heat you're not likely to care about the effects of CO2 and neither is anything else. And that scenario has happened many times and life survived every time.
 
ironsides
#97
Agreed, but not life as we new it, new things evolved to become a dominant species. We will be gone or flying around in space somewhere.
 
Tonington
#98
From the you can't make this stuff up department, scientist Roy Spencer:

Quote:

And I predict that the proposed cure for global warming – reducing greenhouse gas emissions – will someday seem as outdated as using leeches to cure human illnesses.

Ummm, Earth to Spencer, good science doesn't go out of date, at least not easily. Medicinal leeches are witnessing a resurgence, after 4000 years of sustained use in medicine. They have made mechanical analogs, but they aren't commercially available yet.

Unbelievable.
 
Slim Chance
#99
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

In the article CO2 is still being pushed as an initiator even after they've stated that it was precipitated by volcanic eruption. Runaway greenhouse effect is science fiction. Once the lava introduces enough heat you're not likely to care about the effects of CO2 and neither is anything else. And that scenario has happened many times and life survived every time.


the IPCC hasn't figured out a way to tax volcanoes.... Yet...
 
Avro
#100
Tim (C-A-B-A-L) Ball: Climate Science is All a Conspiracy!

A two-hour, 32-minute audio tape of a Tim Ball lecture (finally available here ) features one of Canada's most compromised climate change deniers (see especially here , here or here ) making sweeping and silly pronouncements, getting caught out in misrepresenting data and, finally, attributing all climate science to a socialist plot by an aging Canadian businessman and United Nations supporter.
The audio, recorded April 7, 2010 at a meeting of the University of Victoria Young Conservatives Club, is crackly and begins badly (most people will want to start around the nine minute mark). It starts with Ball going on at length about his bona fides as an environmentalist and touting his life-time total of "peer-reviewed" publications at 23. (This, presumably, would include the four [4] publications listed on the ISI Web of science and 19 others that were, perhaps, checked over by Christopher Walter, the Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, before being typed up for printing in a journal, website or daily paper not generally read among diligent academics.)
Dr. Ball falls into his usual truthiness with comments like this (at around the 34:00 minute mark):
"These guys (the scientists of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) can’t tell you the weather 10 days from now but they’re telling you what it’s going to be like 100 years from now. How does that work? They try to argue that one is climate and one is weather, well I’m sorry climate is made up of weather, climate is the average of the weather. If you can’t get the weather right the climate isn’t going to be right."
... after which, he adds, in reference to the science contributors to the IPCC process, "They’ve been wrong on every single projection they have made since they brought out their first report in 1992."
Every single projection: can you imagine?
At around 1:02, Ball gets caught cooking his data, at first extrapolating ice core data from Greenland to argue that the world is cooling and then admitting that such a sweeping contention is unsupportable on this dataset. He says:
"Ice core from Greenland that shows you the variation in temperature over the last 10,000 years. … Here’s the current temperature over here and what you see is that for most of the last 10,000 years the world has been warmer than it is at the present. You could in fact argue that the world has cooled down for the last 3,000 years."
Student: "Is this a representative: does that say everything about the whole world?"
Ball: "That's a good question ... All you can say is that it is representative of Greenland and possibly the northern hemisphere. You really shouldn’t extrapolate this beyond the northern hemisphere."
Oops.
A geographer with no background in atmospheric physics, Dr. Ball has nevertheless distinguished himself as, at the very least, an avid hobbyist - as someone who has read enough about climate science to have begun to understand the overwhelming case for concern about anthropogenic warming. If you're looking for an explanation as to why he is not convinced, however, he's happy to explain..
First, he puts up a slide with a quote attributed to the one-time Petro-Canada CEO and longtime United Nations supporter Maurice Strong : “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
(I have no idea as to the authenticity or this quote. It's all over the internet, but I have never seen it in context.)
At 1:11:00, Ball goes on to proclaim that Strong is the single-minded, single-handed leader of a world-wide scientific conspiracy. Ball says of Strong:
"He set up the United Nations Environment Program, out of which came the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the whole idea of climate as a vehicle for shutting down industrialization."
A couple of minutes later, at 1:14:46, a student challenges:
"So we have a lot of climate scientists graduating from UVic, so I’m just wondering at what point somebody comes up to you and says here’s your indoctrination to destroy all the industrialized countries in the world through promoting climate change. It seems a little crazy. That just sounds more like a conspiracy theory to me."
Ball: "Yes, of course, I have always been accused of being a conspiracy theorist. I prefer to call it a cabal. C-A-B-A-L: it’s a group of people who have a particular political agenda ... and they use a vehicle to achieve that. That’s certainly what’s gone on with the IPCC."
So, there you go: the entire world climate science community is populated by patsies who have been recruited by an 80-year-old former oil executive with a secret plan to shatter civilization. That explains everything, then, doesn't it?
 
Avro
#101
Climate Scientist Sues National Post

Suit Could Hold Paper Responsible for Comments and Internet Repetitions

Dr. Andrew Weaver, one of the most respected climate scientists in Canada and one of the best climate modellers in the world, has launched a libel suit against the National Post newspaper and its publisher, editors and three writer: Terence Corcoran, Peter Foster and Kevin Libin.
In the words of a news release broadcast today, the suit is for "a series of unjustified libels based on grossly irresponsible falsehoods that have gone viral on the Internet."
The 48-page Statement of Claim ( download the PDF version here ) sets out a National Post pattern of reporting critical and erroneous material about Weaver and, in recent times, refusing to retract or correct when inaccuracies are brought to the paper's attention. An obvious example was an allegation that Weaver had (or was about to) quit his Nobel-winning role in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - an allegation Weaver dismissed out of hand.
Two elements of the suit could be of interest to every online publication that offers or encourages the retransmission of its material. In addition to citing reader comments among the libels posted on the National Post site, Weaver is asking for an unprecedented Court order requiring the newspaper to help track down and remove defamatory National Post articles from the many other Internet sites where they have been re-posted.
That, if granted, would cause the paper no end of trouble and could create a precedent that would make every paper in the world think twice before posting so much as a single DIGG link at the bottom of a story.

Weaver vs Corcoran.pdf
 
Avro
#102
YouTube - Debunking Lord Monckton Part 2
 
Avro
#103
Deep Climate exposes more cheating by team Wegman

Plagiarism and poor scholarship rife in statistician's tight circle


The blogger Deep Climate has released another devastating analysis of the shoddy scholarship and obvious cheating that characterized the work of the statistician Edward Wegman and his team, authors of a report to Congress that Deep Climate calls "nothing more than a politically motivated attack on climate science and scientists from the start ."
DeepC, surely on of the most careful, thorough and tireless researchers currently working the climate blogosphere, has been here before , collecting evidence that demonstrated massive plagiarism by Wegman and his proteges when they were preparing their Republican-commissioned attack on Michael Mann's oft-vindicated , but still controversial hockey stick graph .
As on the last occasion , DeepC has prepared a side-by-side analysis showing the work of Wegman and his principal assistant Yasmin Said juxtaposed with the documents from which they mined a shocking amount of their material. It's shocking because they didn't attribute any of it and, on many occasions, the few efforts they made to change the text merely obscured or rendered insensisble the original meaning. It's not just that they were cheating, they were doing it in a way that invites applications of the term "incompetent."DeepC calls at the end of his excellent post for an investigation by George Mason University, whence this substandard work originated. It seems relevant, though, to also call for Congressional attention. Some of this material was prepared using government funding and even if the specific intent was NOT to mislead Congress, there is certainly a compelling argument to be made that Congress was, indeed, misled.
That, in lots of different ways, is a crime.
 
Avro
#104
GOP Chooses Lord "Hitler Youth" Monckton as Expert Witness on Climate Change Science

House Republicans have chosen Lord Christopher Monckton , a non-scientist with a penchant for outrageous remarks, as its sole witness at tomorrow’s hearing in front of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.

Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA) called the hearing in an effort to further restore public confidence in climate science, and to set the record straight that ‘Climategate’ was not the scandal climate deniers and the right-wing media tried to portray in the wake of the theft of private emails from scientists at the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia.

A press release announcing the hearing states that the scientists "will address the claims of deniers head-on."

The explanatory hearing will include testimony from Lisa Graumlich, director of the School of Natural Resources and the Environment at the University of Arizona, who served on the British panel that last month exonerated the CRU scientists of any malpractice.

Rep. Markey has also called three top American climate scientists to explain that climate science remains fundamentally sound and supported by evidence gathered by reputed scientific institutions around the world. The three expert scientist witnesses were involved in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports that have been attacked by climate deniers, including Lord Monckton.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner, the Ranking Minority Member of the committee, chose Monckton as the Republican’s sole witness at the hearing.
Of all the people in the world the GOP could call to testify, they chose Christopher ( not-really-a-Lord ) Monckton, a non-scientist with a diploma in journalism studies and a knack for trampling Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies .

Monckton called American college students advocating for clean energy the “Hitler Youth” and “Nazis” during his crazed rampage at the Americans For Prosperity event at the Copenhagen climate summit . Monckton repeated the "Hitler Youth" comments directly to me in an interview the following day, and then took it way too far when he told Jewish student Ben Wessel, whose grandparents escaped the Holocaust, “I am not going to shake the hand of Hitler youth.” Despite extensive video evidence , Monckton went on to lie to the Associated Press , claiming that he never uttered those words.
At the Tax Day Tea Party in D.C. last month, Monckton opened his speech with a 'joke' suggesting that President Obama was born in Kenya . Monckton previously called President Obama a “monster” during his speech at a GOP fundraiser in Wisconsin, which followed another of his paid appearances for Americans for Prosperity .
In a 1987 article for the American Spectator titled the The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS, Monckton wrote that:
.... there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently.

With such a long record of inflammatory and baseless statements, what could the GOP possibly see in Monckton that would warrant his appearance as an expert witness on a climate science panel otherwise made up of scientists?

Watch Peter Sinclair's excellent pieces picking apart the claims made by Lord Debunkton, especially this episode of Climate Denial Crock of the Week:


Tune in to the hearing tomorrow at 9:30 AM eastern to watch the hearing on the web at globalwarming.house.gov.

WHAT: Select Committee hearing, “The Foundation of Climate Science”

WHEN: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 9:30 AM

WHERE: 2237 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC, and on the web at globalwarming.house.gov

WHO:
Dr. Lisa Graumlich, Director, School of Natural Resources and the Environment, University of Arizona, and member of the “Oxburgh Inquiry” panel
Dr. Chris Field, Director, Department of Global Ecology, Carnegie Institution of Washington, and co-chair of “Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability” portion of new IPCC report due in 2014
Dr. James McCarthy, Professor of Biological Oceanography, Harvard University, past President and Chair of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, co-chair of “Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability” portion of IPCC report published in 2001
Dr. James Hurrell, Senior Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric Research, contributor to IPCC reports
Lord Christopher Monckton, Chief Policy Adviser, Science and Public Policy Institute

YouTube - Debunking Monckton Part 2 (updated)
 
Avro
#105
Freak April Rain Showers Hit Canadian Arctic



While the Gulf of Mexico continues to choke on oil from a man-made disaster, the Arctic is experiencing another form of man-made onslaught thanks to climate change.

Late last month, British explorers hiking in the Canadian Arctic reported that their ice base off Ellef Ringnes Island had been hit by a three-minute rain shower . A team of Canadian scientists camped about 145 km west also reported being hit by rain at the same time.

Pen Hadow, the British team's expedition director, told Reuters, "It's definitely a shocker ... the general feeling within the polar community is that rainfall in the high Canadian Arctic in April is a freak event."

Hadow, whose team is gathering data on the effects of climate change on the Arctic Ocean in the Catlin Arctic Survey , said that "scientists would tell us that we can expect increasingly to experience these sorts of outcomes as the climate warms."

But the group was not expecting such a sudden reminder of the consequences of a warming Arctic.

Ice base manager Paul Ramsden said, "It is obviously quite worrying when you are camped out on ice. I felt distinctly nervous for a while because the consequences of getting wet here can be serious."

And the rain isn’t the only indicator that things are out of whack in the North.

Reuters reports :
“Hadow said the team carrying out the carbon dioxide experiments had noticed that ice was abnormally thin and was moving around more than they expected. The winds were stronger than usual.”

Tyler Fish, another team member, told CBC that "We worry that if it's too warm maybe some of the scientific samples will start to thaw ... or the food will get too warm and spoil."

"We have been told there will be more unpredicted events like this as the climate of the region warms. Our team up there have already reported many locals people at Resolute have also been commenting on the unusual warmth of the winter this year," Pen Hadow added .
The Arctic is heating up three times more quickly than the rest of the Earth, and scientists have linked the higher temperatures to global warming pollution.

Scientists working in the Arctic say the thick multiyear ice covering the Arctic Ocean has essentially vanished, and U.S. data shows the 2009 ice cover was the third-lowest on record, after 2007 and 2008.
David Phillips, senior climatologist with Environment Canada, described the freak rain in the High Arctic in April as “really bizarre,” noting that 50 to 60 years of historical weather data show no signs of rainfall ever occurring in April in the High Arctic.

"My business is weird, wild and wacky weather, and this is up there among fish falling from the sky or Niagara Falls running dry," Phillips told CBC News .


 
Avro
#106
Esteemed Scientists Hit Back at Climate Denier Campaign In Science Letter

255 members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, including 11 Nobel laureates, have penned a letter in Science slamming the disinformation campaign orchestrated by a small network of climate deniers that has confused the public about the real danger of climate disruption.

The scientists’ letter, published in the
May 7th issue of the journal Science (subscription req'd), says:

"We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on climate scientists in particular."

The scientists note that the fundamental science of climate change is sound, despite the extensive campaign by deniers and skeptics to confuse politicians and the general public:

"There is compelling, comprehensive, and consistent objective evidence that humans are changing the climate in ways that threaten our societies and the ecosystems on which we depend."

Noting that denier attacks are “typically driven by special interests or dogma,” the scientists rail against the overblown attacks on the IPCC for its minor mistakes:

"Many recent assaults on climate science and, more disturbingly, on climate scientists by climate change deniers, are typically driven by special interests or dogma, not by an honest effort to provide an alternative theory that credibly satisfies the evidence. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and other scientific assessments of climate change, which involve thousands of scientists producing massive and comprehensive reports, have, quite expectedly and normally, made some mistakes. When errors are pointed out, they are corrected.
But there is nothing remotely identified in the recent events that changes the fundamental conclusions about climate change…”


In a clear rebuke of the efforts of GOP climate deniers like Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK to deny reality), the scientists call for an end to the harassment of climate scientists:

"We also call for an end to McCarthy-like threats of criminal prosecution against our colleagues based on innuendo and guilt by association, the harassment of scientists by politicians seeking distractions to avoid taking action, and the outright lies being spread about them."

As Peter Gleick, President of the Pacific Institute and one of the co-signers of the letter,
notes :
“It is hard to get 255 members of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences to agree on pretty much anything, making the import of this letter even more substantial.”

The scientists conclude with an appeal for action to address climate change:

"Society has two choices: we can ignore the science and hide our heads in the sand and hope we are lucky, or we can act in the public interest to reduce the threat of global climate change quickly and substantively."

The letter is available at
Science (subscription required) , and reprinted at The Guardian and Climate Progress for open access.
 
Avro
#107
Climate Cover Up Wins Book of the Year!

Climate Cover Up, the book written by DeSmogBlog co-founder James Hoggan along with Richard Littlemore has been named Non-Fiction Book of the Year by the Green Book Festival.
The award honors books that, "... contribute to greater understanding, respect for and positive action on the changing worldwide environment."
It's always great to get recognition for all the hard work we do here at DeSmog, but none of it is possible without all the support from our thousands of supporters from around the world.
 
Avro
#108
Denial-a-palooza Round 4: 'International Conference on Climate Change' Groups Funded by Exxon, Koch Industries

In what has become an annual non-event, the Heartland Institute will gather the who's-who of the global warming denial network together in Chicago this weekend for the fourth International Conference on Climate Change .
As in years past, the event is expected to receive very little mainstream media coverage. The deniers like to think the reason is some liberal media conspiracy. In reality, the lack of interest stems chiefly from the fact that this denial-a-palooza fest is dripping with oil money and represents a blatant industry effort to greenwash oil and coal while simultaneously attacking the credibility of climate scientists.
Despite the lack of press interest, the show must go on. After all, the Chicago meet-up will provide deniers and industry front groups a chance to coordinate their ongoing efforts to smear the reputation of the IPCC, and they can reminisce about the Climategate non-scandal like boys in the schoolyard kicking around a rusty old can.
For insight into the underlying aim of the Chicago denier conference, let us take a look at the funding sources for the sponsoring organizations.

Funding:
19 of the 65 sponsors (including Heartland itself) have received a total of over $40 million in funding since 1985 from ExxonMobil (funded 13 orgs), and/or Koch Industries family foundations (funded 10 orgs) and/or the Scaife family foundations (funded 10 orgs). See below for a full funding break-down.

ExxonMobil (1998-200:$6,588,250($389,250 more than reported in 2009 )Koch Foundations (1985-200:$17,572,210($13,133,290 more than reported in 2009 )Scaife Family Foundations (1985-200:$16,352,000
($20,516,640 less than reported in 2009 *)Total Funding 1985-2008:$40,512,460
*The Heritage Foundation sponsored the 2009 conference and is notably absent from sponsoring the 2010 ICCC. Heritage has received $23,096,640 from Scaife, $2,417,000 from Koch and $565,000 from Exxon between 1998-2006.
ExxonMobil has backed off funding many of the groups who have sponsored global warming denial, thanks in large measure to the relentless work of ExxonSecrets.org , a project of Greenpeace USA. However, the funding gap has been filled by the private oil fortunes of the Koch and Scaife families, who continue to pump funds into the network of climate denial and "free market" groups.
"These same anti-regulatory 'free market' organizations are hell-bent on keeping us addicted to dirty oil and coal. They’ve pushed for more offshore drilling, fought improvements to fuel economy standards and stalled action on global warming through denial and deception," says Kert Davies, Research Director of Greenpeace USA.
According to the Media Transparency project, the Scaife Family of Foundations is "financed by the Mellon industrial, oil and banking fortune. At one time its largest single holding was stock in the Gulf Oil Corporation. [Scaife] became active in funding conservative causes in 1973, when Richard Mellon Scaife became chairman of the foundation."
The Koch foundations' money comes from the profits generated by oil conglomerate Koch Industries , the "nation's largest privately held energy company, with annual revenues of more than $25 billion. ... Koch Industries is now the second largest family-owned business in the U.S., with annual sales of over $20 billion." The Koch brothers, David and Charles, control the three family foundations that have "lavished tens of millions of dollars in the past decade on ' free market' advocacy institutions in and around Washington ."

The Koch connections are the most interesting because of the lengths they go to attempt to deny their involvement. DeSmogBlog asked a Koch spokesperson if they were involved in sponsoring the ICCC and received this reply:
"In response to your question as to whether Koch is supporting the ICCC - no, Koch Industries and the Koch foundations are not supporting the International Conference on Climate Change."
The claim is similar to the pre-emptive response that the same Koch spokesperson sent to DeSmogBlog , CrooksAndLiars and others in April before the Tax Day Tea Parties :
"Koch companies value free speech and believe it is good to have more Americans engaged in key policy issues. That said, Koch companies, the Koch foundations, Charles Koch and David Koch have no ties to and have never given money to FreedomWorks. In addition, no funding has been provided by Koch companies, the Koch foundations, Charles Koch or David Koch specifically to support the tea parties. Thanks for your consideration."
In both cases, Koch denies responsibility by hiding one degree of separation from the event. They claim their hands are clean, yet huge amounts of Koch money are funneled into the organizations doing the lion's share of work to organize the tea parties and the ICCC denial-a-palooza. Americans For Prosperity and its sister organization FreedomWorks (formerly united as Citizens for a Sound Economy ) have received a total of over $17 million from Koch foundations between 1985 and 2008. That works out to 64% of the major funding for FreedomWorks/CSE , and 90% of the major funding for Americans for Prosperity. (Based on totals from ' major funders ' compiled by MediaMatters.) The totals for 2009 aren't out yet, but there is little reason to believe funding has decreased, meaning millions more dollars have likely been pumped into this network.

All this oily funding begs the question: if the Koch brothers aren't funding FreedomWorks and AFP for the purpose of organizing tea parties and conferences attacking climate science, what are they paying for?
Climate denial is a central facet of AFP's work. Consider AFP's Hot Air tour with its Carbon Cops protesting the EPA's move to put a price on climate-changing C02. Or AFP's participation in the Energy Citizens Alliance , the Astroturf group set up by the American Petroleum Institute to fight national legislation on climate.
Offshore Drilling
23 of the sponsor organizations behind denial-a-palooza are actively promoting offshore drilling or attempting to paint the drilling disaster as 'not that bad'. Americans for Prosperity wrote on April 27th, a week after the drilling disaster began to unfold: "AFP called for the opening of New Jersey's coast to exploration and drilling, which would be part of a comprehensive strategy to both boost the state's economy and help achieve energy independence."
The Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (C-FACT) wrote on May 7th, "Should we stop drilling offshore? We can hardly afford to. We still need to drill." Iain Murray of the Competitive Enterprise Institute joined in : "If we seek to reduce these risks by banning offshore drilling, as some now demand, we will undoubtedly raise the price of energy." See more from JunkScience's Steve Milloy , or Americans for Tax Reform and their national blitz for more drilling.
For a history of the ICCC event, see DeSmogBlog coverage from 2009 and 2008 . Also see commentary from RealClimate and WonkRoom .
Here are the funding totals for organizations sponsoring Heartland's conference that are known to have received support from oily and 'free market' foundations:

Alternate Solutions Institute
  • Received a $100,000 grant in 2008 from the Atlas Economic Research Foundation (see below).
American Conservative Union
  • Received $90,000 from ExxonMobil between 2005-08.
  • Received $2,000 from Koch (Claude R. Lambe Foundation) in 2005.
Americans for Prosperity
  • Received $4,025,000 from Koch Foundations between 2006-2008 (David H. Koch and Claude R. Lambe)
Americans for Tax Reform
  • Received 60,000 from Koch Foundations (Claude Lambe Charitable Foundation) in 2007.
  • Received $700,000 from Scaife (Carthage, Sarah Scaife) Foundations between 1998-07.
Atlas Economic Research Foundation
  • Received $982,500 from ExxonMobil between 1998-2008.
  • Received $3,035,000 from Scaife Foundations (Sarah Scaife and Carthage) between 1985 and 2008.
  • Received $93,500 from Koch Foundations (Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation and Charles G. Koch Foundation)
Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise
  • Received $230,000 from ExxonMobil from 2004-2005.
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
  • Received $100,000 from ExxonMobil from 1998-2006.
  • Received $25,000 from Koch Foundations (Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation) in 2007.
  • Received $100,000 from Sarah Scaife Foundation from 1999-2003.
Centro de Investigaciones de Instituciones y Mercados de Argentina (CIIMA-ESEADE)
  • Received $100,000 from Sarah Scaife Foundation from 1999-2003.
Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (C-FACT)
  • Received $542,000 from ExxonMobil from 1998-2006.
  • Received $1,580,000 from Scaife (Carthage and Sarah Scaife) Foundations from 1991-2008.
Competitive Enterprise Institute
  • Received $2,005,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998-2005.
  • Received $666,420 from Koch Foundations (David H. Koch and Claude R. Lambe) between 1986-2008.
  • Received $2,800,000 from Scaife Foundations (Sarah Scaife and Scaife Family) between 1985-2008.
Freedomworks
  • Received $275,250 from ExxonMobil from 1985 and 2008.
  • Received $12,355,712 from the Koch Family Foundations between 1985 and 2008.
  • Received $3,485,000 from the Scaife Foundations between 1985 and 2008.
George C. Marshall Institute
  • Received $840,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998-2008.
  • Received $170,000 from Koch Foundations (Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation) between 2004-08.
  • Received $3,592,000 from Scaife Foundations (Sarah Scaife Foundation) between 1985-2008.
Heartland Institute
  • Received $676,000 from ExxonMobil from 1986-2008.
  • Received $77,578 from Koch (Claude R Lambe, Charles G Koch) from 1986-2008
  • Received $335,000 from Scaife (Sarah Scaife, Carthage) from 1986-2008
ICECAP
  • No funding records from Exxon, Koch, or Scaife.
  • The Web site domain name for ICECAP was registered on October 20, 2006 by Joseph D'Aleo , who is listed among the personnel of the Science and Public Policy Institute , another organization that promotes the views of global warming skeptics that is backed by Frontiers of Freedom [2] .
Illinois Policy Institute
  • No funding records from Exxon, Koch, or Scaife.
  • In its 2006 annual report the Cato Institute states that it made a grant of $50,000 to the Illinois Policy Institute. [2]
The Independent Institute
  • Received $70,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998-2005.
Institute of Public Affairs (Australia)
  • From The Age in 2004 : "The Institute of Public Affairs, which receives funding from companies such as ExxonMobil, the most sceptical of the world's fossil fuel giants, also engages in the debate, scouring the web and email groups for evidence that climate change is natural."
John Locke Foundation
  • Received $97,000 from Koch Foundations between 1995-2005.
  • Received $5,000 from Scaife Foundations .
Junkscience.com
  • No funding records from Exxon, Koch, or Scaife.
  • Junkscience is a website maintained by Steven J. Milloy , an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute - right wing think tanks with long histories of denying environmental problems at the behest of the corporations which fund them.
Lavoisier Group (Australia)
  • No funding records from Exxon, Koch, or Scaife.
  • From Sourcewatch : The group is closely associated with the Australian mining industry, and was founded in 2000 by Ray Evans , then an executive at Western Mining Corporation (WMC), who was also involved in founding the HR Nicholls Society and the Bennelong Society . Hugh Morgan , former WMC boss and head of the Business Council of Australia until 2005, delivered the group's inaugural speech.
Media Research Center
  • Received $312,500 from ExxonMobil from 1998-2008.
  • Received $625,000 from Scaife Foundations (Sarah Scaife Foundation) between 2007-08.
National Center for Public Policy Research
  • Received $445,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998-2008.
Science & Environmental Policy Project
  • Received $20,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998-2000.
Science and Public Policy Institute
  • From Desmog : The SPPInstitute is a project of Robert Ferguson , whose oil connections were clear enough when he started an earlier such organization, the Center for Science and Public Policy , with a large bolus of cash from Exxon Mobil.
 
Slim Chance
#109
Suzuki is funded by ATCO Gas and BP among others.
 
Avro
#110
The video most likely to make you want to take a shower

Americans for Prosperity and their major donor Koch Industries that just so happens to be the largest private oil company in the United States:

Americans for Prosperity: history, background and research

Koch Industries and George Mason University

Koch Industries holdings and investments

Koch Industries lobbying activities

Once you've read all of that you can watch this video

YouTube - Rachel Maddow interviews Tim Phillips, Pres. Americans For Prosperity
 
Avro
#111
Quote: Originally Posted by Slim Chance View Post

Suzuki is funded by ATCO Gas and BP among others.

Really?

They weren't employee donation programs?

But let's say it's true, so what?

Suzuki is a self admitted second rate scientists and still gets no support from anyone here regarding climatology.
 
Slim Chance
#112
The principle is identical to the conspiracy theory you've attached to oil company participation in the "discussion".... You want it both ways; contribute to the green movement as a responsible corporate citizen, but DO NOT fund those groups that don't have a warm fuzzy green message or else you get labeled as a conspirator to hamper green initiatives.
 
Slim Chance
#113
Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post


Suzuki is a self admitted second rate scientists and still gets no support from anyone here regarding climatology.


That's 'cause he's a second rate scientist AND a hypocrite and fraud to boot.
 
Tonington
#114
And though nobody here considers him relevant to this discussion, you find that he is. That is interesting...
 
AnnaG
#115
Quote: Originally Posted by Slim Chance View Post

Suzuki is funded by ATCO Gas and BP among others.

If it is true, who cares and so what?
Shell Oil has a green tech branch. Is that because Shell Oil admits ithelps screw up our planet?
Last edited by AnnaG; May 15th, 2010 at 09:38 PM..
 
Avro
#116
Quote: Originally Posted by Slim Chance View Post

That's 'cause he's a second rate scientist AND a hypocrite and fraud to boot.

Well he already admitted he is a a second rate scientist .....what's your point? Yet again no one here is holding him or Gore up as hero's.....why do you keep bringing them up?

YouTube - David Suzuki Blasts Global Media

However you will happily put Ball up as the standard for experts on AGW.

Laughable.
 
Avro
#117
Quote: Originally Posted by Slim Chance View Post

The principle is identical to the conspiracy theory you've attached to oil company participation in the "discussion".... You want it both ways; contribute to the green movement as a responsible corporate citizen, but DO NOT fund those groups that don't have a warm fuzzy green message or else you get labeled as a conspirator to hamper green initiatives.

Don't be so obtuse.

This thread was a counter thread to the AGW greatest scam in history thread.

Interesting how you deem the Cabal of leftist as a conspiracy but shrug off the one that counters it.

At least I was fair anough to pose the OP as a question.
 
Avro
#118
Nature Pens Scathing Editorial On Virginia A.G. Cuccinelli Witch Hunt of Michael Mann
In a scathing rebuke of Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli’s witch hunt relating to the work of climatologist Michael Mann, the highly-regarded journal Nature this week published an editorial called “Science subpoenaed” that condemns the latest political attack on a climate scientist and calls into serious question Cuccinelli’s motives.

AG Cuccinelli, a former Republican state Senator, earlier this month launched a ridiculously over-the-top inquiry demanding that the University of Virginia turn over a massive number of documents and personal communications related to Professor Mann’s work and government contracts. Cuccinelli demands to see eleven years’ worth of Mann’s emails and other correspondence with climate scientists, and all available documents, computer code and data relating to Mann's research on five different state and federal grants.

Echoing The Washington Post, which published a similar editorial lambasting Cuccinelli’s “witch hunt” of Professor Mann, the Nature editorial similarly slammed the AG.

Nature notes that “Cuccinelli has lost no time in burnishing his credentials with far-right 'Tea Party' activists, many of whom hail him as a hero,” and suggests that:
Given the lack of any evidence of wrongdoing, it's hard to see Cuccinelli's subpoena — and similar threats of legal action against climate scientists in a February report by climate-change denier Senator James Inhofe (Republican, Oklahoma) — as anything more than an idealogically motivated inquisition that harasses and intimidates climate scientists.”

Not surprisingly, climate deniers are cheering on Cuccinelli’s effort, including the paid tobacco shill turned chemical industry apologist turned climate denier Steven “Junkman” Milloy.

Milloy penned a recent piece in the Washington Times saluting Cuccinelli’s witch hunt, a piece which he says on his website is “dedicated to those skeptics and libertarians who, confused about Virginia AG Ken Cuccinelli’s investigation of Michael Mann, are aiding and abetting the enemy.”

Apparently Milloy is annoyed that fellow skeptics at ClimateChangeFraud.com didn’t fall in line to cheer Cuccinelli’s effort, and instead raised questions about the appropriateness of the AG’s focus on Michael Mann, noting that the “Washington Post has properly branded Cuccinelli's ploy as a witch hunt.”

Nature also mentions the fact that “even several climate sceptics who count themselves among Mann's fiercest critics have publicly condemned the attorney general's move.”

The Nature editorial concludes:
“Scientific organizations must respond quickly and forcefully any time political machinations threaten to undercut academic freedom. And, rather than complying, the University of Virginia should explore every avenue to challenge the subpoena.”

The Nature piece is highly recommended reading, as is the earlier Washington Post editorial, which stated:
“WE KNEW Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II (R) had declared war on reality. Now he has declared war on the freedom of academic inquiry as well. We hope that Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) and the University of Virginia have the spine to repudiate Mr. Cuccinelli's abuse of the legal code. If they do not, the quality of Virginia's universities will suffer for years to come. In his ongoing campaign to wish away human-induced climate change, Mr. Cuccinelli has targeted Michael Mann…”

The Washington Post's editorial about the attack on Mann notes that , “Mr. Cuccinelli demonstrates a dangerous disregard for scientific method and academic freedom,” and concludes that “[Virginia Gov. Robert F.] McDonnell should condemn the attorney general and aid the university, making it clear that Mr. Cuccinelli speaks only for himself.”

It wasn’t the first time the Post had slammed Cuccinelli either. In an October 2009 editorial titled "Mr. Cuccinelli's Bigotry," the Post Eds wrote that “given his bizarre ideas, he would very likely become an embarrassment for the commonwealth.”

It appears the Post was too generous with their conservative “very likely” qualifier, as Cuccinelli has proven on multiple occasions thus far in his short term to be a colossal embarrassment.

Bravo to Nature for calling Cuccinelli out as well.
 
Tonington
#119
It's like I said in the counterpart thread to this one, McCarthyism is alive and well in the 21st century.

The University of Virginia has hired a legal counsel to advise them, as their own legal counsel is actually employed by the State AG office. They should seek an injunction to this fishing excursion.
 
Slim Chance
#120
Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post

Well he already admitted he is a a second rate scientist .....what's your point? Yet again no one here is holding him or Gore up as hero's.....why do you keep bringing them up?


'Cause all of the lies and misinformation are all based on the nonsense spewed from Gore and Suzuki.

But then again, it's impossible that we are having this discussion because "the debate is over" - right?.. Can you remember who made a really big deal about that?


Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post

However you will happily put Ball up as the standard for experts on AGW.

Yeah.... Why every 2nd post of mine quotes his genius.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avro View Post

Laughable.

What's truly laughable is that you need to keep this thread from falling-off the radar by picking a non existent fight on the topic.
 

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