Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’


Scott Free
#601
Pockets of extreme weather is exactly what we should be seeing if GW is real.
Last edited by Scott Free; Sep 8th, 2008 at 03:15 AM..
 
Extrafire
#602
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington View Post

I don't understand why an electrical engineer would call himself a rocket scientist, especially when he's never been employed in the aerospace industry. My conclusion, he thinks calling himself a rocket scientist makes him sound more brilliant. Pathetic.

You don’t get out much, do you?

OK, a little education for you.

Out here, in the big wide world, there are expressions that get adopted in common usage whose meaning is understood by all and sundry (you apparently being the exception).

For example, when describing something as being not difficult to understand, it is fairly common to refer to that simplicity by saying, “It’s not rocket science”. Or, some say, “It’s not brain surgery”. Or, in the immortal words of Don Cherry, “It’s not rocket surgery”.

Are you beginning to get a glimmer of understanding?

Look up “self deprecation” if it’s still too difficult to understand.


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That's funny. One photo, from one day, in one year, is enough to counter the entire record of increasing melts.

Didn’t say that. Or imply that. But of course, you have to twist, to misrepresent, to create a strawman….

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I see. So you don't aspire to be any better than the loonies who spread that inane nonsense? You're happy being in that mediocre majority? Talk about setting the bar low...

Uhmmm…. I was agreeing with you. Are you suggesting that you are a loony spreading inane nonsense? Part of the mediocre majority? Well, OK, if you say so. I had actually thought better of you.
 
Stretch
#603
Remember all those glaciers the global warming cultists insisted were being melted by your SUV?

Tags: SCIENCE/HEALTH

One cool summer that leaves 20 feet of new snow still sitting atop glaciers come the start of the next winter is no big deal, Molnia said.
Ten summers like that?
Well, that might mark the start of something like the Little Ice Age.

http://www.adn.com/news/environment/story/555283.html
 
MissAnnika
#604
it's hard to say because scientists found the earth naturally heating up then cooling down again. that isnt to say thought that us as humans havent done some damage cuz we certainly have. but w/e its a way to stop being dependent on certain oils right
 
Stretch
#605
Global Cooling is Here! Evidence for Predicting Global Cooling for the Next Three Decades
' In 2007-2008, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climatic Change (IPCC) and computer modelers who believe that CO2 is the cause of global warming still predict the Earth is in store for catastrophic warming in this century. IPCC computer models have predicted global warming of 1F per decade and 5-6C (10-11F) by 2100, which would cause global catastrophe with ramifications for human life, natural habitat, energy and water resources, and food production. All of this is predicated on the assumption that global warming is caused by increasing atmospheric CO2 and that CO2 will continue to rise rapidly.'
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Avro
#606
Contradictory evidence
  • It's cold today in Wagga Wagga
  • Antarctic ice is growing
  • The satellites show cooling
  • What about mid-century cooling?
  • Global warming stopped in 1998
  • But the glaciers are not melting
  • Antarctic sea ice is increasing
  • Observations show climate sensitivity is not very high
  • Sea level in the Arctic is falling
  • Some sites show cooling
 
Tonington
#607
Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch View Post

IPCC computer models have predicted global warming of 1F per decade and 5-6C (10-11F) by 2100, which would cause global catastrophe with ramifications for human life, natural habitat, energy and water resources, and food production.

Blogs...

Some models in the IPCC do project (not predict) warming of 5-6°C, but only under very bad assumptions. By very bad, I mean assuming the worst of the emissions scenarios. Assuming the high end of the climate sensitivity, by assuming a worst case scenario.

The ensemble (collection of models) means are much lower, and assume more realistic and conservative estimates for parameters which affect the rate.

Blah, don't believe everything you read Stretch...it's often a stretch of the truth, especially on blogs.
 
Stretch
#608
[quote=Tonington
Blah, don't believe everything you read Stretch...it's often a stretch of the truth, especially on blogs.[/quote]
true, but, california recorded coldest oct ever, londons 1st snow since 1934, glaciers are growing.........
 
Avro
#609
Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch View Post

true, but, california recorded coldest oct ever, londons 1st snow since 1934, glaciers are growing.........


Read my post Stretch, it's not called climate change for no reason.
 
Walter
#610
Green swap flops

Bike store's attempt to switch to solar power ends in disaster

Posted By COLIN MCKIM, THE PACKET AND TIMES

Posted 4 days ago



It's more polar than solar at the Bike Stop since the Colborne Street business made a disastrous venture into alternative energy two years ago.
"It's been a nightmare," says co-owner Barry Middleton as he stands near a propane space heater in the workshop, wearing a toque and winter coat.
"The system never worked."
On a damp November day, it's about 10 C in the store.
Without the propane heater, purchased as an emergency backup, it would be even colder.
Middleton and partner Mike Price have spent close to $50,000 in parts and labour on a solar heating system that was supposed to cost about $35,000 and provide virtually all the heat and electricity they would need in the 2,300 square-foot building.
With rising gas and hydro prices, they were counting on a 10-year payback.
So confident were they in the solar technology, the store owners removed the old furnace and had the gas company seal the line and remove the meter in 2006.
But the new system still isn't working effectively and Middleton doubts it will ever do the job, no matter how much he spends or how many contractors he hires.
"I'm not going into the poorhouse for goddamn solar heat," he says.
Faced with replacing an old furnace that could burn $2,000 of natural gas in a cold month, Middleton and partner Mike Price decided two years ago to switch to solar power.




The solar energy system had four panels to heat water for radiant heat and four panels to convert sunlight into electricity to run lights and power equipment.
"We figured with a southern exposure we were golden," said Middleton.
But faulty equipment, a series of inexperienced installers, poor workmanship, low levels of sunlight and general bad luck combined to undermine the project from the beginning.
The solar heating business is unregulated and there is no guarantee the people you hire are competent, said Middleton, warming his hands on a large cup of coffee.
"The industry is too loose."
The first solar contractor left him in the lurch before the system was operating and the second contractor wired things incorrectly and burned out the inverter, which converts the 12-volt power from the solar panels
to 110 volts. Without the propane
backup, they would have frozen solid in the building the last two winters.
A local electrical contractor, who Middleton has complete confidence in, is doing what he can to properly wire the system and will re-install the inverter when it is shipped back from the factory in the U. S.
But even if the system runs at peak efficiency, it won't be able to do much more than keep the frost out.
Frustrated, Middleton has decided to install a new, high-efficiency furnace and hook up the gas line again. The reconnect charge alone will be about $1,500.
"What are you going to do?" he asks.
"You have to have heat. We're lucky we didn't take out the duct work."
Solar heat can't be the prime heat source for an old-style commercial building like his with block walls and a high ceiling and metal roof, Middleton now believes.
Perhaps $10,000 worth of insulation would help, but Middleton is tapped out.
And even if the building held heat better, the winters can be so grey there is little solar energy to harness, said Middleton.
"Last winter we had five days of sun in January and February."
Despite all the problems getting the system operating properly, Middleton says the eight solar panels still function. His hope now is they can eventually get hooked up properly and provide some backup heat to supplement the gas furnace and enough electricity to run the lights.
Given a chance to do it over, he would forgo the heating side of it and just invest in the solar panels that produce electricity.
"In our climate you have to have central heat," he said.

From the Orillia paper. Where are Dave and Al to help this guy?
Last edited by Walter; Nov 18th, 2008 at 08:31 AM..
 
Vanni Fucci
#611
No insulation???

What a moron...no wonder his gas bill was 2000 a month...

Well thanks to this article, I won't using solar power to heat any uninsulated, metal roof, 2300 sq ft brick buildings any time soon...
 
Walter
#612
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci View Post

No insulation?

Where does it say he has no insulation?
 
Vanni Fucci
#613
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Perhaps $10,000 worth of insulation would help, but Middleton is tapped out. And even if the building held heat better, the winters can be so grey there is little solar energy to harness, said Middleton.

Right there...
 
Walter
#614
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci View Post

Right there...

It doesn't say there is no insulation; the implication is that there isn't enough insulation, and if there were $10,000 more insulation things would be better.
 
GreenFish66
#615
I was watching an ol' 60's sci-fi movie late last night.. Scientists were trying to force their way through the THICK ice of the Artic!.By Alaska....With no avail..Trying to find a spacecraft that had crashed!

It is funny what you can learn from an ol'd sci fi movie..Where did all the Ice go???...
Last edited by GreenFish66; Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:02 PM..Reason: correction
 
Walter
#616
Quote: Originally Posted by GreenFish66 View Post

Where did all the Ice go?

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph...e.some.000.png
 
Vanni Fucci
#617
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

It doesn't say there is no insulation; the implication is that there isn't enough insulation, and if there were $10,000 more insulation things would be better.

$10,000 for insulation for 2300 sq ft building, 2 inch thick on roof and walls sounds reasonable to me...
 
Tonington
#618
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

It doesn't say there is no insulation; the implication is that there isn't enough insulation, and if there were $10,000 more insulation things would be better.

So what's this fellow complaining for? For being a moron? Energy efficiency first, it's the low fruit on the tree of cheaper energy. That pays for itself, then you can buy the other things, but your building has to be able to hold the heat you're paying for first...but no, this fellow and his business mogul partner went for the larger cost of replacing the heat source first. Without addressing the heat loss in the building.

We're supposed to feel bad for stupid now?

 
Walter
#619
Last year the snow came to stay on November 22, this year it came to stay on November 15. When is this AGW thing going to make my life warmer?
 
JLM
#620
We don't know for sure how it is caused, but we do know that anything we do to combat it is in our own best interests so no use fighting it. Using less energy does nothing save us money and the resource. It doesn't matter if it's caused by humans or if it's just a natural trend, so it's stupid to argue about it.
 
scratch
#621
Well JLM, as a `newbie` here a friendly reference you will find that this thread will go on until it is officially closed.

Regards,
scratch
 
Avro
#622
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Last year the snow came to stay on November 22, this year it came to stay on November 15. When is this AGW thing going to make my life warmer?

Man, are you ever dumb.

Stick to making love to your vacuum instead of pretending you know something.
 
scratch
#623
You do not respect anything or anyone, not even yourself. Sad
 
Walter
#624
New US military report on global warming raises worry

Calls theories on the cause 'contradictory'

By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | December 6, 2008
WASHINGTON - A new US military report has come under scrutiny for asserting that the scientific data on what is causing global warming is "contradictory" - a position one leading specialist said indicates the government still hasn't fully embraced the urgency of climate change.
The long-range planning document, published Thursday by the US Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Va., which is responsible for developing blueprints for future military strategy, is intended to provide a "basis for thinking about the world a quarter of a century from now."
But a section of the 56-page report on climate change and natural disasters prompted criticism yesterday from some leading specialists who said that spreading the inaccurate perception that the causes of climate change remain an open question could result in government agencies not taking the issue seriously enough.
The report, titled Joint Operating Environment 2008, states that "the impact of global warming and its potential to cause natural disasters and other harmful phenomena such as rising sea levels has become a prominent - and controversial - national and international concern. Some argue that there will be more and greater storms and natural disasters, others that there will be fewer."
It adds: "In many respects, scientific conclusions about the causes and potential effects of global warming are contradictory."
That last line in particular was singled out at a panel discussion hosted yesterday by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank, on the topic of climate change and national security.
 
Walter
#625
Bill Carmichael: Cold reality of fuel bill rises

Published Date: 05 December 2008

THE Lord must have a wickedly mischievous sense of humour – because every time the great and good convene to discuss global warming, He sends a splendid joke in the form of freezing cold weather.


This phenomenon happens so frequently in the United States that it has its own name – the Gore Effect, named after the presidential sore loser and high priest of the global warming cult, Al Gore.

Whenever Saint Al arrives in his private jet to lecture lesser mortals about the evils of flying, you can guarantee that temperatures will plummet to sub-Siberian levels.

He is a walking one-man cold front.

But, weirdly, the same thing is now happening on this side of the Atlantic, too.

This autumn, MPs gathered to discuss global warming, and, immediately, central London was blanketed in heavy snow – the first time this has happened as early as October for more than 80 years.

So I should have known what to expect when I read this week that in order to combat global warming, Lord Turner's Committee on Climate Change was recommending huge increases in fuel bills.

Sure enough, I was barely half-way through the story in my newspaper when I glanced out of the window to see an Arctic blizzard blowing in.

By Tuesday evening, I was forced to abandon the car in a snowdrift, while many roads were blocked and hundreds
of schools forced to close because of severe weather.

Now I like a laugh as much as the next person – and I am naturally loath to criticise our Creator – but hasn't this joke gone far enough?

In substance, Lord Turner's report contained little that was new. It consisted largely of the now-familiar demands that, in order to assuage the guilt of prosperous eco-warriors, the poorest people in society must be forced to suffer.

There is no practical reason for this. Every pensioner in Britain could expire over their one-bar electric fire and it wouldn't make the blindest difference to global temperatures over the next 50 to 100 years.

Environmentalists want Britain to bankrupt itself in order to cut carbon emissions, but this will be a futile sacrifice so long as China and India are burning coal as though it is going out of fashion.

But the practicalities are of no interest to the eco-zealots. Global warming is a religion, not a science, and suffering, even if it is completely pointless, is considered good for the soul.

Such self-indulgence is all very well in times of plenty, but now that the recession is biting hard, isn't it time we found something more important to
worry about?
 
JLM
#626
Quote: Originally Posted by Locutus View Post

If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the manmade global warming myth, might media members notice?
We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is.

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’ | NewsBusters.org

To what would you attribute to the melting of the glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica?
 
Mongul
#627
In the 60s-80s climatologists predicted an "inevitable" ice age.

looks like these quacks are wrong again
 
Said1
#628
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

To what would you attribute to the melting of the glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica?

Natural phenomenon.
 
Mongul
#629
its funny how people assume that its the humans fault that climate changes and that the natural state of an ecosystem is a static state
 
Said1
#630
Quote: Originally Posted by Mongul View Post

its funny how people assume that its the humans fault that climate changes and that the natural state of an ecosystem is a static state

Well, removing glaciers in the Andes for the purpose of mining for gold could be considered destsruction/change due to human activity. It would melt anyway, right?