Christianity is modernizing?

L Gilbert
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Noserings and all? lol
Well, hopefully they'll be a peaceful branch of this faith.

Documentary probes Canadian evangelism - The Globe and Mail
 
In Between Man
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It is! On a huge level!

Les, you gotta see this program! I've already seen it, it's very exciting!

Evangelicalism is on the rise in big wayz! A whole generation of young people are smart enough not to brush God under the rug, but to ask questions, which leads to salvation thru Jesus!

Church is not the same anymore! It's been simplified, now we meet in coffee shops, parks, movie theaters, etc.

There's NO religion at all! Just the full gospel, spirit filled gathering!

While the denominations are failing, the evangelical church is experiencing double digit growth! That's the work of the holy spirit!

Praise God!
 
L Gilbert
#3
Well, I am not about to praise anything, but I like this idea. As long as they don't get to proselytising, making judgements, et al on the rest of us, I say, go for it.
 
SirJosephPorter
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While the denominations are failing, the evangelical church is experiencing double digit growth!

Which evangelical church is that alley? I remember reading somewhere that the younger generation has different priorities compared to the old guard, compared to the leadership. They want to get involved in issues such as poverty, hunger, environmentalism etc. They are not that enthusiastic about the tradition red meat issues of evangelicals such as abortion, grey rights, pornography etc.

I don’t know about the evangelicals, but these are not good days for the religious right.
 
L Gilbert
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"red meat issues ... such as ... grey rights..."? Hey, putz, I have grey rights (I'm 55) and ain't letting go of them for no-one.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Well, I am not about to praise anything, but I like this idea. As long as they don't get to proselytising, making judgements, et al on the rest of us, I say, go for it.

Well, it's a good thing every human has the free will to choose Jesus or reject him. As for making judgements, remember Jesus didn't say "never judge" he said "don't judge, lest you be judged." We all make judgements, you probably think I'm misguided.

But it is great that Christianity is finally free from religion! It's open, inviting, completely relaxed and totally different from what you think. Bringing Jesus to Starbucks is the modern church.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

Which evangelical church is that alley?

It doesn't matter what the sign out front says: Presbyterian, or Christian Fellowship, or Community Church, or Salvation Army. Or even if the followers meet in a park, the evangelical church is all those who believe they are saved through the free gift of Christ's death. The evangelical church embraces the full gospel, and welcomes the holy spirit comfort us.

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I remember reading somewhere that the younger generation has different priorities compared to the old guard, compared to the leadership. They want to get involved in issues such as poverty, hunger, environmentalism etc. They are not that enthusiastic about the tradition red meat issues of evangelicals such as abortion, grey rights, pornography etc.

Actually, that's only partially right. The younger Christian generation is interested in poverty, hunger and the environment, very much so. But when it comes to the good fight in the political arena, it's currently being debated. Some passionately believe God has every right to be in our government, others don't. Watch the program once it's online. "Hip 2B Holy"

Where the real split is SJP, is amongst the entire generation. A very strong portion are giving themselves to Jesus, while other portion is following a materialistic life, filled with the occult and unbelief.

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I donít know about the evangelicals, but these are not good days for the religious right.

Religion is dying!!!! Evangelicalism IS taking over! It's so exciting! Simplified church, relaxed atmosphere, full gospel, anointed by the Holy spirit. Thousands, and thousands turning to Jesus! The biggest harvest is just around the corner! God really is moving TODAY!!!

It would be great to see the Catholic Church completely collapse because millions and millions of members will realize that the way to the Father isn't good acts, or membership in a particular church, or praying to a Saint. But rather through the free, beautiful gift of salvation through Christ's death. The door to heaven is wide open, it's not anything like the religious path they claim.

I predict amazing things for the evangelicals in the near future. Now that we have started to influence leaders in government, and young eager minds, are you going to start calling us the religious right SJP?
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz View Post

I predict amazing things for the evangelicals in the near future. Now that we have started to influence leaders in government, and young eager minds, are you going to start calling us the religious right SJP?

Religious fruit loops came to mind. We live in a mindless consumer society and that has been carefully planned by the powers that be. The "new" evangelism is just another commodity to be marketed and consumed. And you dear Alley are the poster boy for mindless religious consumerism. You are out there doing free PR for those who will rake in a killing on the gullable.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Now that we have started to influence leaders in government, and young eager minds, are you going to start calling us the religious right SJP?

Not quite, alley. Religious right has certain issues that it concentrates on. Issues such as abortion, contraception, homosexuality, pornography (religious right has all but given up the fight against pornography since the advent of internet), Creationism etc.

Religious left has its own pet issues, such as hunger, poverty etc. Whether a group belongs to religious right depends upon which issue it concentrates on.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Religious fruit loops came to mind. We live in a mindless consumer society and that has been carefully planned by the powers that be. The "new" evangelism is just another commodity to be marketed and consumed. And you dear Alley are the poster boy for mindless religious consumerism. You are out there doing free PR for those who will rake in a killing on the gullable.

The door to heaven is wide open. You only need to enter. This is it, the church has finally made it! No more religion, no more pharisees, no more holding back. God is once again ready to break into the world in a big way! The great revival and harvest is just around the corner, and the rapture soon after!

After the rapture Cliffy, I'm certain you'll be one of the smart ones who remembers us Christians talking about it. There still will be time, but Earth will not be a very hospitable place.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz View Post

Well, it's a good thing every human has the free will to choose Jesus or reject him. As for making judgements, remember Jesus didn't say "never judge" he said "don't judge, lest you be judged." We all make judgements, you probably think I'm misguided.

But it is great that Christianity is finally free from religion! It's open, inviting, completely relaxed and totally different from what you think. Bringing Jesus to Starbucks is the modern church.

Yeah. More power to you. Judgement is a tool of wisdom. Thing is, it isn't meant for judging people; judging their deeds, whether to eat a green apple or a red one, have a glass of red wine or white, etc. is what judgement is for.
 
Cliffy
#12
The Church of Starbucks! How fitting, how ironic! I love it! Coffee: the new sacrament. "Take of this muffin for it is my body and drink of this coffee, for it is my blood."

Sorry my boy but if the rapture happens, all the Paulianas will be standing around wondering where all the atheists disappeared to.
 
Cliffy
#13
If the Bible is true, then these conditions are real and verifiable outside of the Bible:
The world is only six thousand years old, dinosaurs never existed, the world is flat and the earth is the center of the universe, the Sun goes around the earth, demons, invisible spirits, ghosts, holy ghosts, demons, angels, snakes, bushes, and donkeys, can talk, virgin birth is possible, god and jesus live in the clouds above, prayer has secret powers over this god, miracles and blessing do occur, invisible souls can either be saved or unsaved, depending on what a person decides to believe in their heart, the heart is the center of all thought and emotion, people can talk to god and jesus with their heart, there is no such thing as a brain, people can be raised from the dead, people can walk on water, water can be turned into wine, 5000 people can easily be fed with two loaves and two fishes, only invisible jesus can save invisible souls, diseases are caused by demons, science is of the devil, a person can live in the belly of a whale for three days and nights, whales' stomach acid has no effect on humans.


For the whole article: A WrittenTestimony To Man's 6000 Year Old Ignorance
 
Scott Free
#14
Religion is always modernizing. It changes with society because it is a product of society and evolves along with it. I'm sure the next few thousand years will herald new gods and old ones will fade away.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free View Post

Religion is always modernizing. It changes with society because it is a product of society and evolves along with it. I'm sure the next few thousand years will herald new gods and old ones will fade away.

Modernizing is the success to survival. Look at Hindu religion. It is thousands of years old, probably the oldest religion in the world. But it is still going strong. It coexisted with ancient Greek religion. Greek religion died out 2000 years ago, Hinduism is still hugely popular. The reason for it is that it evolves with time.

Where it doesn’t evolve, it is reinterpreted or many times simply ignored by the Hindus. But that is the success to survival, evolve or perish. And in this respect, Islam has a huge problem.
Last edited by SirJosephPorter; Jun 10th, 2009 at 11:45 AM..
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free View Post

Religion is always modernizing. It changes with society because it is a product of society and evolves along with it. I'm sure the next few thousand years will herald new gods and old ones will fade away.

No you are wrong, jesus is the enternal flame of consistancy, evolution is Satans work. You lot who want to dress jesus in blue jeans and cowboy boots make me sick with fear that Satan has entered our churches and smoked a marawanna cigarrette right in front of the pulpit.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

Modernizing is the success to survival. Look at Hindu religion. It is thousands of years old, probably the oldest religion in the world. But it is still going strong. It coexisted with ancient Greek religion. Greek religion died out 2000 years ago, Hinduism is still hugely popular. The reason for is it that it evolves with time.

Where it doesn’t evolve, it is reinterpreted or many times simply ignored by the Hindus. But that is the success to survival, evolve or perish. And in this respect, Islam has a huge problem.

Compared to you SJP Islam has no problem at all. I imagine you scan the horizon for signs of the Islamic armada every evening while you toast off a fifth of scotch, somethings fueling your imagination.
 
Scott Free
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

No you are wrong, jesus is the enternal flame of consistancy, evolution is Satans work. You lot who want to dress jesus in blue jeans and cowboy boots make me sick with fear that Satan has entered our churches and smoked a marawanna cigarrette right in front of the pulpit.

Jesus was the hippie, so if anyone was smoking it was him.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free View Post

Jesus was the hippie, so if anyone was smoking it was him.

They do say that Scott but I'm not sure that the story is not a product of some drug deluded mind seeking justification for a dreadful habit by simple coopting the good name of JC in the free love period of the sixties of the last century. jesus is it that long ago? Alternativly he could very well have been a user of hashish or any of the other cannibis products freely and widely available at the time in the region. His portraits do seem to indicate he was of an early hippy cult.
 
Said1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Scott Free View Post

Jesus was the hippie, so if anyone was smoking it was him.

He was a Capricorn and ate organic food, too. Total liberal.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Said1 View Post

He was a Capricorn and ate organic food, too. Total liberal.

Now here I agree with you. I think Jesus probably was a liberal, for his time.
 
L Gilbert
#22
Last I heard, Haysoos wasn't born on Dec 25, but on Sept 11. That would make him a Virgo if he actually existed. Big "if".
 
Cliffy
#23
He supposedly ushered in the age of Pisces.
Who we gonna get to usher in the age of Asparagus?
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Yeah. More power to you. Judgement is a tool of wisdom. Thing is, it isn't meant for judging people; judging their deeds, whether to eat a green apple or a red one, have a glass of red wine or white, etc. is what judgement is for.

Okay sure, but who's judging? The modern church only wants to invite anyone who will listen. It's the promises of physical healing, having your sins forgiven, forming a real personal relationship with God, victory over any situation, and discovering a real spiritual journey that is making people listen.
 
In Between Man
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

If the Bible is true, then these conditions are real and verifiable outside of the Bible:

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The world is only six thousand years old,

Uh, no, the approx time from Adam to Jesus was six thousand years.

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dinosaurs never existed,

It doesn't say that at all.

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the world is flat and the earth

or that...

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is the center of the universe,

or that...

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the Sun goes around the earth

or this...

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, demons, invisible spirits,

demons exist, invisible spirit? Humans are the ones with a spirit. It is invisible to the natural eye.

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ghosts

no such thing

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, holy ghosts,

THE holy ghost. The third deity in the trinity. NOT the father's spirit. Another person.

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demons, angels,

exist...

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snakes, bushes, and donkeys,

The snake was Satan himself speaking, as for the bushes and donkey, those were techniques used by God to break into someone's life, since he created the universe he can do anything.

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virgin birth is possible,



You already know he can do anything...

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god and jesus live in the clouds above,

where do I start? Jesus IS God, and so is the Father and the HS, they reside in heaven currently, but they live in us...

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prayer has secret powers over this god,

it doesn't have power over him. Prayer confesses what God has already said. It gives you the ability to say "Papa, you said..."

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miracles and blessing do occur,

true...

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invisible souls can either be saved or unsaved,

the invisible spirit can be saved or unsaved, your soul is your mind, your free will, your intellect,

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the heart is the center of all thought and emotion,

the "heart" is your spirit, a lot of your thought comes from here, mainly your true colours,

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people can talk to god and jesus with their heart,

or out loud,

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there is no such thing as a brain



God's word doesn't say that either...

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people can be raised from the dead,

true...

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people can walk on water,

if your faith is at that level,

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water can be turned into wine,

ditto...

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5000 people can easily be fed with two loaves and two fishes,

remember, anything is possible, even God working through humans...

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only invisible jesus can save invisible souls,

actually and seriously, I can see Jesus. When I meditate, I can see him in my mind's eye...

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diseases are caused by demons,

SOME diseases are caused by demons...

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science is of the devil,

again, God's inerrant word doesn't say that...

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a person can live in the belly of a whale for three days and nights, whales' stomach acid has no effect on humans.

Another example of God breaking into someone's life and into world history...

So in conclusion: angels and truth exist, ghosts and karma don't

Glad we could clear this up
 
Cliffy
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz View Post

Okay sure, but who's judging? The modern church only wants to invite anyone who will listen. It's the promises of physical healing, having your sins forgiven, forming a real personal relationship with God, victory over any situation, and discovering a real spiritual journey that is making people listen.

People who sit around and listen to others spout religious dogma are not on a spiritual journey. They are sheep being fleeced. A spiritual journey is a personal inquiry into the truth, no matter what or where it turns out to be. Listening to the same old rhetoric, like you have been spouting, is an abdication of the personal journey and responsibility. It is believing in someone else's promises based on unsubstantiated doctrine and badly written literature.

What you end up with is the same old belief system repackaged for a present day consumer, not a spiritual journey. You want a spiritual journey, take a page out of your book and wander out into the wilderness for forty days and forty nights alone like your icon supposedly did. You want insight, you must first face your demons, your skeletons in your closet. Then perhaps you can claim spiritual insight. You will find nothing in books or at the feet of teachers but meaningless words and symbols.
 
In Between Man
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

People who sit around and listen to others spout religious dogma are not on a spiritual journey. They are sheep being fleeced. A spiritual journey is a personal inquiry into the truth, no matter what or where it turns out to be. Listening to the same old rhetoric, like you have been spouting, is an abdication of the personal journey and responsibility. It is believing in someone else's promises based on unsubstantiated doctrine and badly written literature.

What you end up with is the same old belief system repackaged for a present day consumer, not a spiritual journey. You want a spiritual journey, take a page out of your book and wander out into the wilderness for forty days and forty nights alone like your icon supposedly did. You want insight, you must first face your demons, your skeletons in your closet. Then perhaps you can claim spiritual insight. You will find nothing in books or at the feet of teachers but meaningless words and symbols.

Nice to see you've got it all figured out.
 
In Between Man
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

And you dear Alley are the poster boy for mindless religious consumerism. You are out there doing free PR for those who will rake in a killing on the gullable.

Actually Cliffy, I am far more spiritually advanced than thou.

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Having been a raging hormone most of my life, I find it hard to understand indifference.

You think you have experienced spirituality, but instead you've given in to sensuality.
 
Cliffy
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz View Post

Nice to see you've got it all figured out.

When one has it all figured out, they will no longer need to be here. I wake up in the morning and realize that because my journey has not ended, I have more to learn. Life is a journey, not a destination. Religion promises a destination. It is a false promise based on a false premise. The door is personal and each of us has his/her own door. "The path is narrow"... not wide open to all.

I'm sorry Alley, but you sound like someone who has replaced pot with dogma to get themselves giddy, one crutch for another.
 
Cliffy
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by alleywayzalwayz View Post

Actually Cliffy, I am far more spiritually advanced than thou.



You think you have experienced spirituality, but instead you've given in to sensuality.

You have not been on my journey. You have no idea where I have been or what I have experienced. You are in no position to make those judgments. All you have is religious arrogance. But I know that your journey will eventually lead you to the light. You are on the path but you are just beginning.
 

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