Who is Jesus Christ, and what is peculiar about him?

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

Sounds a bit like Scientology. Wonder if L. Ron Hubbard read the Quran...

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

Sounds a bit like Scientology. Wonder if L. Ron Hubbard read the Quran...

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

That's quite true, one kick at the can is all anybody gets. Since most lives contain a fair amount of pain and suffering that is a blessing indeed.

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka

wow, time for me to edit the new testament again. I think it might come out reading like a scientology pamphlet though.

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you certainly have a strange way of posting,,,are you on some kind of prohibited drugs?

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The NT only has Mary's qualification as being a daughter of Aaron as being central to Jesus's right to be High Priest to all going back to Adam. It is her heritage that is covered in the Gospel of Luke.

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The Gospels do cover Mary spending time (3 months) with Zachariah and Elizabeth. They were both daughters of Aaron, does that have significance?

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A Jewish lady told me one time that her name was probably Miriam, as would have been Lazarus's sister that is mentioned often in the Gospels. That would make sense as Moses's and Aaron's sister was also called Miriam.?

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Does the Quran indicate if she (Lazarus's sister) was the beloved Disciple?

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Nothing of that is mentioned in the Quran.

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In the Arab tribes (and this may have some similarities in the Tribes of the Children of Israel), they boast with the honor of their sisters. So they say: I am the brother of Miriam, or the brother of Alia [their sister] …etc.

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

Miriam [in Arabic, and may be in Hebrew] is the same as Mary in English.
Miriam was also the name of the sister of Moses and Aaron.
Aaron was a prophet and an apostle; he was pious and righteous: fearing God and worshipping Him alone. He was a parable and example for the honorable man, and his sister Mary too was as such.

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

Therefore, when Mary (or Miriam) brought her baby: Jesus, her family said to her: What have you done? You are so noble of descent: your mother is chaste and your father was a noble one [and a custodian of the house of God]; moreover you are the sister of Aaron in honor, chastity and morale ; this is not proper of you!

Quote: Originally Posted by MHz

Still in the OT we had Moses (a Prophet) pass authority of who was God's representative between God and people. Moses passed that onto his brother Aaron, the first High Priest to Israel. All other priests came from the same house.
John the Baptist was the last High Priest from the hose of Levi, he passed it onto Jesus, the last High Priest, period.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

An Easter Blessing
...Eastre, the Germanic goddess of spring.

...Hercules.

...Prometheus.

...Osiris.

...Krishna.

...Mithras.

...Apollonius of Tyana.

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People are the people; their traditions are the same in every generation; their way of thinking is similar at all times.

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י הֲלוֹא אָב אֶחָד לְכֻלָּנוּ, הֲלוֹא אֵל אֶחָד בְּרָאָנוּ; מַדּוּעַ, נִבְגַּד אִישׁ בְּאָחִיו--לְחַלֵּל, בְּרִית אֲבֹתֵינוּ.

10 Have we not all one father? Hath not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, profaning the covenant of our fathers?

When God and Christ are said to be seated on the Throne that would seem to mean the Holy Spirit is the Throne.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister

Exactly. And what makes you think you've got it right?
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So, you're right because it says so in the Quran, and the Quran is right because it says so in the Quran? That's not valid logic.

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Who is Jesus Christ, and what is peculiar about him?

Essential points:

• The material body is a mould for forming the spiritual soul; the soul cannot be formed unless inside a material body.

All souls have essentially been formed inside the material bodies. They were alive then died, the bodies decayed and the souls endured.
The soul
http://man-after-death.741.com/#The_Soul_

• Angels were human beings that inhabited the past planets of the past solar systems that were destroyed in the previous Doomsdays.

Those people (of the past planets) died and the Doomsday occurred, then the Judgment followed: and the righteous monotheists were admitted to Paradise. Then God clothed them with ethereal skins and they became the angels.
Angels
http://man-after-death.741.com/1.htm#Angels_

• Man cannot have more than one father by lineage, but he may have more than one mother ; because the womb of the mother is only a vessel to bear the fetus.

About Jesus:
Jesus was an angel in heaven, in the neighborhood of God –be glorified ; he was surnamed "The Word of God".
He belongs to some kind of angels called the "Rouah", to which Gabriel also belongs. Gabriel is called the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost.
Jesus learnt the Hebrew and Aramaic in heaven, and learnt also the Torah and the Gospel.
Therefore, when he was born, he could speak to people in order to defend his mother and prove her chastity and honesty, and then he became silent once again, like other children.

This is in the Quran 4: 171

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لاَ تَغْلُواْ فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِلاَّ الْحَقِّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَى مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ فَآمِنُواْ بِاللّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلاَ تَقُولُواْ ثَلاَثَةٌ انتَهُواْ خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللّهُ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَات وَمَا فِي الأَرْضِ وَكَفَى بِاللّهِ وَكِيلاً

The explanation: (O people of the Bible [lit. Scripture] do not exaggerate in your religion nor say aught concerning God save the truth.

The Messiah Jesus the son of Mary was but a "messenger" of God [many messengers or apostles passed away before him], and His "word" that He cast to Mary, and a "spirit" [coming] from His [neighborhood].

So believe in God and [all] His messengers.

Say not "Trinity"; desist [from such words] it will be better for you; for God is One God; Far Exalted is He above having a son.

To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. God suffices for a One Who registers their works.)

The story:
When God Almighty willed to create the fetus in the womb of Virgin Mary, He sent Gabriel to her; she was prepared to have a bath, and isolated herself for this purpose, when, behold, she saw a man standing near her;

she was afraid, asked God's protection from him, and told him to leave; but he said: "I am the apostle from your Lord to give you the glad tidings of bearing a boy who is called Jesus Christ, without any father, in spite of that you are a virgin, to be a miracle from God Most Gracious."

Gabriel, then, blew on the ground , and some of the dust entered in her womb, which fertilized her, and she became pregnant [in such miraculous way].

Then when the fetus grew, God commanded Jesus to enter the body of the fetus that was created in the womb of Virgin Mary.

When she delivered Jesus, she was afraid lest her people should accuse her with adultery, but the Christ – and he was newly born – spoke and said to them: "I am a servant of God Who taught me the Book [: the Torah and the Gospel], and assigned me as a prophet."

[Deduction:]
Jesus was an angel; he had lived, in the past, on one of the planets that were later on destroyed in one of the previous Doomsdays. He was righteous, and might have been a prophet there.

He lived there and had a father and a mother, and his father was righteous. After their death, and following that previous Doomsday, they were admitted to Paradise in the neighborhood of God.

This may also explain why he did not marry ; because his lineage is there in heaven, where his father, his wife and his sons. While if he marry here, then who will be the grandfather of his sons? He only had a task, of reformation and purification, which he performed and went his way, and will come again to fulfill his duty. Moreover, he did not like to be detracted from his duty, by having any son, in case he would have married.

I say this with no enthusiasm about Jesus Christ, although I love Jesus and all the prophets: Jesus was a human being, eating, drinking and passing bowel motion and urine; he lived and died at his appointment of death; and was an apostle like all other apostles; he was neither god nor son of god, but was only the son of man and the son of Mary.

eanassir
http://man-after-death.741.com
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com

Quote: Originally Posted by eanassir

This visit to her aunt house is not the story of her birth nor the assigning of Zachariah to be her guardian.

Prophet Zacharia as the guardian of Mary:
When Ann, whose husband was Imran the father of Mary (mother of the Christ), became pregnant, she vowed that what was in her womb would be dedicated to serve in the House of God at Jerusalem.

This is in the Quran 3: 35 - 37

إِذْ قَالَتِ امْرَأَةُ عِمْرَانَ رَبِّ إِنِّي نَذَرْتُ لَكَ مَا فِي بَطْنِي مُحَرَّرًا فَتَقَبَّلْ مِنِّي إِنَّكَ أَنتَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ . فَلَمَّا وَضَعَتْهَا قَالَتْ رَبِّ إِنِّي وَضَعْتُهَا أُنثَى وَاللّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا وَضَعَتْ وَلَيْسَ الذَّكَرُ كَالأُنثَى وَإِنِّي سَمَّيْتُهَا مَرْيَمَ وِإِنِّي أُعِيذُهَا بِكَ وَذُرِّيَّتَهَا مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ الرَّجِيمِ .

فَتَقَبَّلَهَا رَبُّهَا بِقَبُولٍ حَسَنٍ وَأَنبَتَهَا نَبَاتًا حَسَنًا وَكَفَّلَهَا زَكَرِيَّا كُلَّمَا دَخَلَ عَلَيْهَا زَكَرِيَّا الْمِحْرَابَ وَجَدَ عِندَهَا رِزْقاً قَالَ يَا مَرْيَمُ أَنَّى لَكِ هَذَا قَالَتْ هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ إنَّ اللّهَ يَرْزُقُ مَن يَشَاء بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ

The interpretation by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan:
>> "([Remember] when the wife of Imran) her name was Ann daughter of Faqoutha; her husband called Imaran, son of Mathan, the father of Mary,
>> (said, "Lord! I have vowed to You what is within my womb [that I am pregnant with], to be dedicated to You [: consecrated exclusively to Your service, and I should not use him for my advantage], so accept [this vow] from me. Surely, You are the All-Hearing [of what I say], the All-Knowing [of my intention].)

>> (When she was delivered, [she saw it was a female]
>> ([So Ann] said: "My Lord! I am delivered of a female" [then how can I let her serve together with the men in the temple?] )
>> (–– God knew very well what she was delivered of –– [because it is He Who created and made her]);
>> ("a male is not like a female" [in comparison];
>> ("I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her progeny to Your protection from Satan, the 'rejected and cursed'.[lest he should deceive her]")

>> (Right graciously did her Lord received the [child] with gracious favor [i.e. He accepted her vow and prepared everything for that, even though she was a female] ):
>> (He made her grow a goodly growth) [ with no disabling defect or harmful disease; then when she grew and was twelve years of age, her mother brought her to the Jewish rabbis in the House of God at Jerusalem, and said: I present the vowed daughter of mine to you; therefore they competed for who will be her guardian; Zachariah said: I am more worthy with her than all of you, because her aunt is my wife; but they refused, and said: We do not accept unless we go and make lot {in a way of consulting God}; so they went to Jordan river; they were twenty nine men, deciding that they cast their pencils in the river, then anyone whose pencil be fixed in its place, and not move with the stream of the river, then he is chosen to be her guardian; then the pencil of Zachariah was fixed in its place and did not move with the stream of water; so he took her with him, build a room for her in the temple with a ladder, and none might enter her room save him, and made a prayer chamber for her in which she might pray and worship God; he also brought for her the food, water and all her needs.]:
>> (He assigned her to Zachariah to take charge of her [so he became her guardian] ):
>> (Every time that Zachariah entered into her prayer chamber, he found her having a provision) of the fruit. Some rabbis and preachers threw some fruits for her
>> ( [Zachariah] said: "O Mary! How [comes all] this [fruit] to you?")
>> ( [Mary] said: "From God [He makes the hearts of righteous people kind to me, and they bring to me these fruits]):
>> (for God offers provision to whom He pleases, without stint.")

"Know, [reader,] that Christians do not know the story of the birth of Mary, neither do they know the name of her father, in spite of that she is the mother of their prophet, while it is detailed in the Quran; and this is one of the miracles of the Quran."

eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com