trudeau doesnt give a **** about indigeneous peoples rights


pgs
Free Thinker
#61
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I wasn't aware that you were privy to my ballots.

Oh, I see. You're lying again.

Very well. Carry on.

You have stated many times that you vote Democrat . If taking your comments to heart is lying so be it .
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
+3
#62
I personally believe the Indian Act is a discriminatory document in and of itself and should be shredded. Treating indigenous people as though they can't do and think for themselves is also discriminatory. They are quite capable of looking after themselves as long as everyone else (aka white men) get out of their way!! This should have been done a long time ago but we're too stupid to see what we have created and don't seem to understand that they are human beings that should be treated with respect.


We, (especially the political elite) talk about racism and accuse Canadians as being racist their accusations are regarding other cultures and not the indigenous peoples of Canada. In actual fact, those same political elites are just as racist, if not more so than the average Canadian when it comes to the FN.


Enough is enough. Get rid of the "reserves"; let people on those reserves get title to the land they live on and let them do what they can on their own. They are a capable people. We've stymied their ability to govern on their own, by allowing corrupt native governments to continue screwing their own and well as tax payers and not taking them to task. Harper made it a law that the reserves must be accountable for the money given them both to their own and to the taxpayers and their finances must be made public. Trudeau reversed it as he has on many other issues that would have shown more transparency. Why?


If we allowed the natives to actually take the power into their own hands, maybe the corruption would stop. We've aided and abetted in that and we should be ashamed. How does anyone prosper, evolve and survive when hope is taken away?


JMHO
 
Tecumsehsbones
#63
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

You have stated many times that you vote Democrat . If taking your comments to heart is lying so be it .

Feel free to produce your evidence. A quote will do nicely.

I vote all over the political map. I've voted for Democrats, Republicans, and occasionally third parties. Often for reasons you wouldn't understand.

Here's one for you, liar: as EagleSmack likes to give me crap about, I voted for Trump in 2016. And you don't understand why.

I just voted in the 2018 election, and I voted for Republican Larry Hogan for Governor of Maryland (he won). I voted for Democrat David Trone for Congress (he won too).

Stop thinking in stereotypes, insofar as you think at all.
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pgs
Free Thinker
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Feel free to produce your evidence. A quote will do nicely.

I vote all over the political map. I've voted for Democrats, Republicans, and occasionally third parties. Often for reasons you wouldn't understand.

Here's one for you, liar: as EagleSmack likes to give me crap about, I voted for Trump in 2016. And you don't understand why.

Sorry I am not going back over years of threads , I really couldn’t give a crap what you think of me . If liar suits your purposes go ahead use it .
 
Tecumsehsbones
#65
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Sorry I am not going back over years of threads , I really couldn’t give a crap what you think of me . If liar suits your purposes go ahead use it .

So. . . lie, then when asked to back up your lie, move on.

I think I'll start calling you Right-Hoid. Or maybe Mini-Trump.

Wait, make that Micro-Trump.

Nano-Trump?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

So. . . lie, then when asked to back up your lie, move on.

I think I'll start calling you Right-Hoid. Or maybe Mini-Trump.

Wait, make that Micro-Trump.

Nano-Trump?

I do not post links , what I post is what I think in that moment , take it or leave it . I certainly do not intentionally lie , exaggerate certainly .
 
Tecumsehsbones
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

I do not post links , what I post is what I think in that moment , take it or leave it . I certainly do not intentionally lie , exaggerate certainly .

Negligent prevarication is a Class Q misdemeanour in the relevant jurisdictions.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#68
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

If trudeau didn't give a **** about indigeneous peoples rights he would be hero to these white nattys

It's an equality thing. Trudeau didn't give four asterisks about white nattys either. You have to be a small politically sway-able piece of the population for Trudeau to give four asterisks about your rights.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#69
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Negligent prevarication is a Class Q misdemeanour in the relevant jurisdictions.

Fortunately CC is not relevant.
 
spilledthebeer
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Yeah, why don't you lie about Jeronimo Yanez being alone again?


OH POOR SILLY Tecumsehbonesforbrains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


How foolish you are to be pretending that you have something useful or relevant to say about cop training!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And when you get called on that crap- why- you just switch back to your earlier LIES about officer Yannez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is truly remarkable how many details you have omitted from your Yannez lynching party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lynch Law is alive and well in the LIE-beral value system and you Bonesforbrain are a leading proponent!


Let me refresh your memory:

Grossly foolish LIE-berals really ought to think more about the circumstances under which cops `interact` with the public-consider this:

The truth is that NO cop wants to shoot a suspect! What a cop WANTS is to spot a suspect on the street and to handcuff him and take him to the station for interrogation. If the suspect has a good alibi then its apologies all around and suspect is set free and cop goes looking for somebody else. If the suspect has NO alibi and can be properly connected to some crime then he is arrested and charged; with the cop getting a pat on the back from his boss- and maybe a promotion for his sharp eyes and diligent police work!

This is in SHARP contrast to the consequences of SHOOTING a suspect! For one thing a dead man cannot be charged with anything and cannot be questioned either- so with a shooting, there can be no resolution to an existing crime; and it generates a whole NEW mess to deal with. To shoot a suspect simply generates a huge legal mess- even when clearly justified its not a solution any cop wants. AND a cop shooting opens up the doors to all sorts of lunatics- like YOU- from idiot groups like Black Lives matter. To shoot a suspect is a sign of desperation from a cop who has been driven into a corner with no other options- the cop eliminates a lethal threat to save HIS life!

Its odd how LIE-berals will defend somebody killed by a cop regardless of circumstances- but will IGNORE the actions of armed robbers! How much of a BIGOT do you have to be to shrug off the terror of a store clerk staring down the barrel of a robbers gun and focus ONLY on the confrontation between a cop and a suspect? Want to bet the store clerk would tell a cop: “if you have to shoot the felon to keep him from robbing me again that is just fine with me”?

There is the BLM bigot dilemma- the cops ARE serving the public and every store clerk and taxi driver working night shifts considers cops to be their GOOD FRIENDS! Now consider the details of the Officer Yanez shooting AND the details LIE-berals don’t want us to know about :

Based on my research, The Pioneer Press of Minnesota has presented the most full and detailed description of the Yanez case- with a number of pieces being presented to the public on successive days in mid June, with reporter Sarah Horner leading the coverage. You can find all the details for yourself T-gurly- on the Pioneer Press website- if you are interested and we know you ain’t because the truth is an awkward bitch for such as you!

By Sarah Horner | shorner@pioneerpress.com, Tad Vezner | tvezner@pioneerpress.com and Mara H. Gottfried | mgottfried@pioneerpress.com | Pioneer Press. PUBLISHED: June 2017. Sarah Horner joined the Pioneer Press in 2011. She covers legal affairs in St. Paul and the surrounding suburbs.

Here is my synopsis of the available facts and testimony taken mainly from Pioneer Press as their coverage is deemed most open, comprehensive and even handed:

In an earlier post I said that a pair of cops working together is safer for both cops and the public and I also said that Yanez was alone when he shot Castile- based on a HEAVILY EDITED video shown to Cdns. Oh T-gurly- YOU LIED when you said Yanez had a partner!

Joseph Kauser was an officer in another cop cruiser some blocks away when Yanez radioed him and asked for backup. Yanez was convinced- based on appearance- that Castile might have been the armed robber who hit a gas station convenience store a few days previously so he was being cautious even before getting Castile to pull over. Kauser arrived AFTER Yanez began talking with Castile. The video YOU have posted shows Kauser arriving and getting to about ten feet from the passenger side door of the car when the shooting started. Kauser never set eyes on Castile before the shooting started!

Based on trial testimony we can discuss in a moment, its possible Castile never even saw Kauser arrive and a cop you do not see does not scare you much! So my statement that two cops are safer than one stands! IN fact, IF Castile WAS the armed felon that Yanez suspected him to be then TWO COPS might have daunted Castile into surrendering instead of fighting. All desperate felons know its easier to escape from one cop than from two!

But we will never know if Castile was a felon because reverse racist LIE-berals will not besmirch the name of a dead man! Castile cannot defend himself due to being dead and thus he is rendered forever innocent in the minds of LIE-berals! Those wretched LIE-berals are so sensitive that they will not even discuss whether Castile MIGHT have matched the description of the felon Yanez was seeking- even in some small way!

I know we are entitled to the presumption of innocence but that is for judge and jury! A cop DOES NOT work that way and it’s not something many people have noticed! A cop gathers information and makes HIS choice- and when he takes you in it is because he thinks you ARE Guilty! And the law allows the cops certain leeway regarding using FORCE to COMPEL you to come with him! You are expected to be aware of the consequences of not complying. And then the cop presents his beliefs and facts before a judge who makes the final choice. It is when you are in front of a judge and jury that the presumption of innocence DOES kick in as the judge is the impartial referee between prosecution and defense!

After Yanez fatally shot Philando Castile, he said he thought Castile would act recklessly because he smelled marijuana in his car.

Jeronimo Yanez told the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in an interview the day after the shooting that he initially pulled Castile over as he thought he matched the description of a suspect in a gas-station robbery he had responded to a week prior to the shooting.

Yanez said he smelled the odor of "burnt" marijuana in Castile's car as he walked up to the driver's side window. He didn't tell Castile that he smelled the marijuana at first because he didn't want Castile to "react in a defensive manner."

Yanez told Castile that he had a busted taillight.

Yanez asked Castile for his driver’s license and proof of insurance at his driver’s-side window before Castile told him, “Sir, I have to tell you, I do have a firearm on me.” Castile had a permit to carry the gun but never disclosed that to the officer.

Yanez replied, “OK, don’t reach for it then,” prompting Castile to say, “I’m not reaching for it.”

According to Yanez’s squad car audio and video of the shooting, the officer then twice said, “Don’t pull it out.”

So a total of THREE TIMES, Yanez told Castile Not to reach for the gun yet he continued to move around and soon got shot because of his erratic behaviour.

Yanez’s defense team drew attention at trial to THC found in Castile’s system during his autopsy, suggesting it was proof Castile was high during the shooting and was therefore culpable for what happened.

Yanez said he was worried that Castile may be carrying a weapon for protection from drug dealers or others trying to "rip" or steal from him. "It appeared to me that he had no regard to what I was saying," Yanez said. "He didn’t care what I was saying. He still reached down."

Yanez, among several who took the stand, testified, sometimes through tears, that he had no choice but to shoot Castile after he said he saw Castile gripping his pistol in his front right shorts pocket despite the officer’s orders for him not to reach for the gun.

The state argued Castile was trying to access his wallet to hand over the driver’s license Yanez had requested when the officer “jumped to conclusions” and needlessly shot him. It made no sense-said the state- that Castile — who was wearing a seat belt while traveling home with his girlfriend and her small child from the grocery store — would choose to grab his gun and shoot the officer after being stopped for a broken taillight, prosecutors said.

But I suggest perhaps it DOES make sense to reach for a gun IF your are a desperate and stoned felon planning to flee from a cop?

State law allows police officers to use deadly force when faced with a threat to themselves or someone else. The officer’s conduct must be in line with what another reasonable officer would do under the same circumstances.

Had Castile only listened to Yanez’s commands, two experts hired for the defense testified in court, Castile would still be alive. But when he went for his gun, they said Yanez was forced to shoot.

WE all know that Yankees have the right to bear arms but what about the FOR- GOTTEN portion of the Constitution that lets us know the arms being borne are SUPPOSED to be in the hands of a “well disciplined militia”! Founding fathers never planned for armed stoners wandering the streets!

The state has not explained why Castile was carrying his gun while grocery shopping with his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds and her daughter. If in fact Yanez was right in believing Castile was an armed felon then there IS reason for Castile to be carrying the gun for protection and its also valid reason for Castile to be reaching for the gun in spite of being told to sit still THREE TIMES. The state has not explained why Castile was carrying a gun and is it also possible he was carrying it because he was going to buy more Weed and had the gun as assurance he would be dealt with fairly? Or had it for collecting a debt or some such thing?

Anna Garnaas-Halvorson is a teacher from J.J. Hill Montessori Magnet school and was the first witness called by the state. She worked at the school where Castile served as a supervisor of food services. She testified about Castile’s good character and strong reputation within the school community. That’s nice- he has friends at work but he is not the first man who may have had a second life unknown to his colleagues! So cafeteria food supervisor is Castile`s main job with the possibility that armed robber is a side line? But AGAIN, we will never know for sure! He is beyond questioning or prosecution now!

Yanez said he opened fire because Castile was gripping his gun despite orders not to reach for it. Reynolds disputed that. Castile’s wallet was later discovered by medical staff at Hennepin County Medical Center, where he was treated for his gunshot wounds. Hospital staff weren’t able to tell investigators which pocket his wallet was in. Reynolds testified Castile kept his pocket in his back left pocket. His driver’s license and permit to carry were inside his wallet. But testimony says Castile had already handed Yanez his insurance form before the shooting- and since the wallet was still in his pants pocket when he got to hospital then were was he reaching when he was shot? What pocket was the insurance form he produced stored in? Maybe in the same pocket as the gun?

Various cops and fire dept personnel testified that Castile`s GUN was in the right pocket- that right side from which Yanez says he saw something black emerging in Castile`s right hand. Yanez obviously DID see the gun in Castile`s pants pocket and was right to be concerned when Castile did not follow instructions!

During her cross-examination, Reynolds testified that she and Castile regularly smoked marijuana and that she had smoked it on the day of the shooting. She also said they had marijuana in the car when they got pulled over, but that it was under her seat. Authorities found it inside a closed plastic bag tucked inside a jar on top of her seat. The jar’s lid was off.

Cops found 6 grams of Weed in the car. AS Castile HAD THC in his system at the time of death and as Reynolds has admitted they smoked up often and that she had smoked up earlier that day it seems pretty fair to say Castile was STONED at the time of the shooting! The ONLY questions are HOW MUCH Castile smoked and WHEN! How stoned was he?

Juan Toran was the Roseville police officer who responded to the shooting that night. He was the third cop to get to the scene and arrived when Yanez still had his gun pointed inside Castile’s car.

It was when they turned Castile’s body to place him on a backboard that he (Toran) says he saw Castile’s black semi-automatic handgun sliding out of his right front pocket. Toran said he removed it the rest of the way and placed it on the pavement in a safe location. He guarded the firearm until the scene was taped off.

James Diehl is an instructor at Total Defense gun range in Ramsey, Minn., where Castile took his permit-to-carry class before acquiring his gun permit. He testified that it’s illegal to use marijuana and carry a firearm and also for an applicant to lie on a federal permit-to-carry application about use of illegal substances. The defense alleged at trial that Castile lied about his marijuana use when he applied for his permit and therefore he acquired it illegally. Telling a little fib about Weed use is hardly unique in our modern culture. The real point is that Castile WAS STONED at the time of his death and how much it impaired his judgement?

Diehl also testified that he instructs his students to first tell officers during traffic stops that they have a permit to carry before disclosing that they have the firearm. Relaying information in reverse order could “affect (an officer’s) mind-set,” Diehl testified during cross examination,

In other testimony, James Diehl said he teaches students that, when they’re pulled over by police, first to tell officers they have a permit to carry. Then they should say they have a firearm on them, Diehl said. He said he also tells them to follow all police commands while keeping their hands visible.

“Why is that?” Gray asked.

“Mentioning you have a firearm before you say you have a permit could affect the officer’s (mind-set),” Diehl said.

“And lead to chaos?” Gray asked.

“Correct,” Diehl replied.

So the expert with experience HAS tried to warn Castile about the sort of trouble he can get into while wandering in public with a gun! And Castile was sober enough to remember SOME of his training-he did tell Yanez he had a gun but did Not sit quietly and keep his hands in plain sight. Instead Castile IGNORED three commands NOT to reach for the gun and got shot for it. Diehl also explained that under Minnesota law, a citizen does not have to tell a cop he is carrying a gun- but its not a stretch to think that Castile told Yanez about the gun because Yanez could see the outline of it in his pants pocket and figured it would be best to admit the truth? Or should we just assume Castile was stoned and not to sure what he was saying and ran into foolish trouble?

Emanuel Kapelsohn was one of a number of experts hired by both sides to testify about use of force training and related matters. Kapelsohn said it would have taken Castile three-tenths of a second to remove his gun from his pocket, versus five-tenths of a second for Yanez to react to that threat. That means that if Yanez is telling the truth about what he saw, the officer could have been shot and killed had he not responded immediately to Castile’s grip on his gun, Kapelsohn said.

This statement by Kapelsohn was dissected and disputed with no hard conclusion being reached. What we CAN be sure of is that in the sort of quick draw contest described in court- with Castile drawing his gun and Yanez responding ONLY AFTER he clearly saw Castile`s gun, it would be a VERY CLOSE contest- with NO guarantee that Yanez would come out alive. The odds presented by the experts seem to show that in that quick draw contest, the odds were more in favour of Castile and that Yanez saved his own life by shooting first rather than simply responding to movement by Castile. And THAT reaction by Yanez IS part of police training!

Other key points were made by Kapelsohn Friday morning related to the level of danger Yanez placed Castile’s girlfriend and young child in when he opened fire into Castile’s vehicle.

Had Yanez not shot, Kapelsohn said, a gunfight could have erupted between Castile, Yanez and possibly Yanez’s police partner- Kauser- who was coming up on the other side of Castile’s vehicle that night.

Instead of retreating to a safer position for himself, he added that Yanez remained at Castile’s window so he could point down and to the left to avoid injury to the other passengers in the car. “Yanez endangered himself to try and make it less dangerous for the two other people involved,” Kapelsohn said.

Another `use of force` expert suggested that Yanez should have de-escalated and disengaged from the scene by stepping away but that seems like nonsense. He was totally exposed in the street with no immediate place to hide and no guarantee that Castile would not shoot at him as he backed away.

Further, as Castile was stoned to some degree- we can only say he was not in a condition to be driving and that if Yanez had let him flee the scene it might have resulted in a car crash and more trouble! Then there is the added issue of asking this: if Yanez decided not confront Castile at that time about the armed felon suspicions because of the presence of the woman and child; then WHEN WOULD be a good time for a confrontation? Would cop haters have been any happier of cops had shown up at the school cafeteria where Castile worked-surrounded by kids- so they could arrest him there? That is the ugly side of police work- our cities are BUSY places and there are always innocent victims in the way!

Yanez was simply doing his job in seeking out a person he believed might be an armed felon. That Castile appeared to be too stoned to deal with the matter in a sensible way is NOT the fault of cops and does NOT indicate bigotry! The various `experts` agreed at trial, that if Castile had followed police instructions and his firearm training and kept his hands on the steering wheel he would be alive today. If he had been sensible, he would have left the gun at home. If he had been MORE sensible, he would not have driven the car in his stoned condition.

And if Castile lived in a country where the full and complete truth was told in open court and NOT then subject to cutting and editing by LIE-beral loving sensation seeking news media; and if we did NOT have a LIE-beral govt so desperate to cling to power that they would rather pluck out their own eyes than say anything bad about a doped up ethnic stoner, then we might not be literally throwing gasoline on the bonfire ignited by Black Lives Matter reverse bigots!

And what of the govt choice to pay the Castile family three million dollars for their pain and suffering? Since when did the govt start writing life insurance policies for armed and stupid stoners?

And it was also decided by govt that Yanez should be offered a deal to encourage HIM to leave the police force and this does seem necessary since he would forever after be a lightning rod for trouble- whether deserved or otherwise. So he was paid to take his family and leave town and you have to figure HIS payment was also in the millions in exchange for being BRIBED to slink away and not make a fuss simply because he defended himself from an armed and foolish stoner? AFTER being declared NOT GUILTY!

And is it not interesting that of the 12 jury members, 2 were black and from the start of jury deliberations they are reported to have supported Yanez! Some black people do see very clearly how the law should work! Some black people do work as store clerks and understand the issues and RISKS quite well!

Last year, the Toronto (Red) Star newspaper told us that a typical Cdn lawyer defending a client accused of murder gets paid about half a million dollars- with at least that much more going to the prosecution. Then add in all the other costs for bailiffs and court reporters and added security for such a sensational trial and lost work from the hundreds of candidates ordered to appear for possible jury selection and you have how many more hundreds of thousands in costs? So a million dollars or maybe two million for the trial and lawyers and assorted experts, plus at least five million and maybe 6 -7 million to deal with the pain and suffering of the Castile and Yanez families and you have a bill of between 6 and 10 million dollars and all because some stoner could not go out for groceries without his gun and ran into some cop who was just doing his job in hunting an armed felon!

And hey- T-gurly- we all KNOW how loud you would scream if some armed thug stole your computer! And we know how quickly you would be on the phone to the cops you hate- to urge them find and punish those who threatened you and cut off your propaganda disseminating lifeline! And if they could not find it you are just the kind of guy to assume they are racists and don’t care about your stolen property! And if they DO find it, then you will go right back to throwing mud at them! Such behaviour is called HYPOCRISY!

The Yanez shooting is the natural result of letting stoners wander around in public with guns! Guns and drugs do NOT mix! U.S. gun law forbids a stoner from carrying a gun because they are not in their right and careful minds while stoned. U.S. law recognizes that carrying a gun can cause “chaos” in a traffic stop as Diehl the firearms trainer told the court and he stressed the care with which a person carrying a gun should deal with cops. Stoner Castile did virtually NOTHING right in his meeting with Yanez and got shot for being A STUPID STONED THREAT!
 
Tecumsehsbones
#71
Why don't you repeat your lie than Yanez was alone?
 
spilledthebeer
#72
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Why don't you repeat your lie than Yanez was alone?


No need to repeat the Truth for such as you!



You know I have exposed you as a liar...............the court testimony proves it......................


Now go ahead and try to save your dented ego by distracting yet again about your not so stellar thoughts on cop training!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do you really think people have not noticed how you change subjects when confronted?????????


Run along now and nurse your outrage!
 
JamesBondo
#73
you can say that again
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#74
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

you can say that again




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Here is an odd little artile about Cdn natives and its rather put of character for Toronto Sun in its tone- but it has some USEFUL FACTS ABOUT LIE-beral spending priorities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Throwing money at native issues is NOT a solution-in spite of what some at Toronto Sun may think. Consider this article, along with some comments of my own in brackets):

Spend more cash at home on First Nations. By Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun

First posted: Thursday, December 15, 2016 08:45 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, December 15, 2016 09:39 PM EST

This year Canada has written a $13-million cheque for Vietnamese farmers. In addition, there’s another $15 millon for “job training in Africa” and $14.2 million for infrastructure in Indonesia. There was $2.6 billion gifted to developing nations to combat climate change.

At November’s Summit of La Francophonie in Madagascar, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau gave $112 million to Haiti and several African countries. We are also spending $38 million to renovate 24 Sussex Dr.

So how much did the Oneida Nation of the Thames receive for its housing crisis?

Zero.

“We applied for funding for 50 new homes and we were turned down,” Chief Randall Phillips said at a news conference Thursday. “We were told “to get the money” you have to be up north.”

It was devastating to watch Phillips tear up as he talked about the five people — four children, including a baby — who died in a tragic fire in “one of our older houses” that was like “kindling.”

Phillips said he could not get the funding to replace this kind of house.

Vietnam got its funding. Indonesia and Haiti, too. None for this tiny First Nations community of 2,300 people, 30 kilometres south of London.

I put a late call into Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada, but there’s nothing anybody can do to repair this disaster.

“This was an older property and it was just basically kindling,” said Phillips. “First Nations housing is in a crisis and we’ll continue to point to the federal government and provincial government to make sure that they uphold their responsibility to make sure that we have safe homes here.”

Too late in this instance.

(Natives are clearly in need of some tough love. Its sad that people had to die but its WORSE that govt is being exclusively blamed! Why is it exclusively the responsibility of govt to supply housing for natives- especially in southern Ontari-owe where it’s a lot easier to get a job than in Atiwapiskat! Once upon a time it was enough that govt supplied TOOLS so natives could build their own housing. I guess it’s the fault of govt that the chimney wasn’t cleaned and started a fire-or that aged wiring was casually overloaded till flames appeared? And as for the burned house-and others like it being `kindling`-so what-lots of Cdns live in just such kindling houses-there is a reason for that law about working smoke detectors!)

It’s sad because over the summer, the government wrote 1,447 cheques to Canadian communities for almost $8 billion. One of those was $13,482 for a picnic shelter in Rockland, N.B, Other grants were made for tennis courts, flagpoles and a gazebo.

And don’t forget the $300 million set aside for next year’s 150th anniversary of Canada celebrations.

(Our govt DOES like to buy its supporters! And natives have already been counted as LIE-beral lovers-that`s what happens when your community loves LIE-berals and scorns Conservatives! No need to buy natives now-and no need for new money from LIE-berals either-the supply of gravy is LIMITED!)

Nothing to celebrate for our original Canadians on the Oneida Nation of the Thames indigenous land where there are surviving children who were part of the family which perished.

“They have lost everything,” said their chief.

At some point, Canada must let more First Nations members own their homes and control their destinies. I don’t want to put all the blame on Trudeau because this is not a new problem and it seems none of his predecessors did much to fix this problem.

(Face it-natives ALREADY own their own homes-in the same way that a condo owner `owns` his condo-in common with the other `owners` in the building. A native reserve is simply an odd sort of communal living situation. Its just too bad that LIE-berals have done away with ALL the Conservative inspired laws that would have minimized waste and corruption on a typical reserve.)

(When govt supplied tax money intended for building houses and refurbishing drinking water plants is instead used for Carribean cruises, hockey tournaments in California, mad money for California casino, restaurants, alcohol and other such garbage, then we MUST speak of corruption on reserves! As we know, the threat of legal action was NOT enough to persuade Atiwapiskat band chief Teresa Spence to tell us what she did with that 150 Million she wasted-without producing a single receipt to show where the money went-its just gone and natives say its none of our business! There might be more housing money available for Oneida`s if there was LESS money wasted on stupid things!)

(Further, the current set up of reserves was conceived of a century ago and the planners NEVER envisaged our current situation-and the reserve system is now obsolete-with NO WAY to allow dead broke natives to own their homes-standing on the COMMUNALLY OWNED land. An excellent partial solution is to force responsible govt onto reserve councils by compelling them to open their books to public inspection.)

But I will say that the lesson is clear: Canada is handing way too much of our precious money to foreign countries when we have many of our own people living in dangerous, Third World conditions.

(Such foolish talk! Our brainless prime minister believes that CANADIAN imperialism must be opposed and how better to do it than to cripple us by giving money away. The less money we have, the smaller will be our carbon foot print. Our brainless Boy much prefers to see greenhouse gas produced in third world countries that give Him the sort of respect that we DON’T!)

Since there’s nothing looking too important on his itinerary that I can see in the next few days, I suggest Trudeau travel to this hurting community to help these people grieve. He should also direct some of that global warming money for developing nations to this Canadian First Nations community so they can replace their tinder box homes before more people die.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#75
None of that borrowed money should have been spent anywhere just to try and buy a seat on the human rights council of the UN. I truly hope the count down to the end of Lib rule is now set at 11 months.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#76
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

None of that borrowed money should have been spent anywhere just to try and buy a seat on the human rights council of the UN. I truly hope the count down to the end of Lib rule is now set at 11 months.


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Here is an older article to remind us that ALL LIE-berals are insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that LIE-berals regard natives as a commodity to be bought and USED at election times!



Oh my- Our idiot Boy Justin is trying to make nice with natives by offering them a national holiday and Day of Remberance! The idiot Boy was popular with natives who hoped he could change their lives for the better- and of course once they got a good look at his true values- native suicides spiked!

All Our idiot Boy did for natives was remove the Conservative mandated requirement that all native reserve govt spending should be posted online for all to see- in an effort to end the endemic corruption of band councils! The most egregious example was Atiwapiskat council blowing through $150 million dollars in tax money given to build housing- without ever building a single house or offering up a single receipt as to where the money went! And the Native National Assembly of chief blowhards suggested the Harper govt should offer up MORE GRAVY in order to “rebuild native trust in Cdn govt”!

So insanity in native affairs is the order of the day for LIE-berals and is nothing new! Just consider the sorry mess Ontari-owe LIE-berals concocted in order to buy the votes of Ontari-owe natives as described below:

Here is a head scratcher of a news item-one which ought to have all voters up in arms over what appears to be another very sneaky LIE-beral back room deal. I present the news article along with some comments of my own in brackets):

Ontario strikes deal to sell Hydro One shares to First Nations.

The Canadian Press. First posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:11 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:29 PM EDT

TORONTO -- First Nations in Ontario will get the chance to buy shares in Hydro One, a public utility the Liberal government has partially privatized.

(I have to say this is a jaw dropping piece of fiscal sleight of hand! LIE-berals will SELL Hydro stock to DEAD BROKE native bands who are struggling to pay their grocery bills or to get decent housing, and virtually their only income is from welfare and from the illegal sale of cigarettes? It is just another stunning piece of LIE-beral vote buying at any price!)

The government says it has reached an agreement in principle with the province's First Nations to loan them up to $268 million to buy up to 15 million shares at $18 per share.

(LIE-berals think of everything-except the final cost! They will `loan` natives the money to buy the stocks-without that pesky need for anything like collateral or a job or a sensible way to pay back bad loans as any sensible banker demands! But then LIE-berals LOVE fiscal smoke and mirrors style financing- natives can buy their Hydro stock with dividends from Hydro stock- which means isolated native reserves will be onside with LIE-berals to turn out Hydro system into a giant LIE-beral slush fund- so they can profit!)

That offer is above the province's book value, but below the $24-to-$26 range the stock has been trading in recent months.

(That`s nice-it turns the ancient concept of `buy low and sell high` on its ear-selling cheaply to natives who have never even seen a stock market before!)

For the deal to go through, at least 80% of the band councils will have to approve the agreement by the end of next year.

If ratified, Ontario would sell the shares to a new investment vehicle owned collectively by First Nations and provide seed capital of up to $45 million over three years.

(Since there has been no announcement that I am aware of- does this mean the deal has fallen through? Have natives become as disgusted with LIE-beral bait and switch crap as I have? Or should we assume this Hydro sale to natives is simply another in a long series of LIE-beral back room deals that LIE-berals and their media pals don’t thin we need to be informed about- even though it is being financed ENTIRELY with OUR MONEY!)

Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault says in a statement that this would give economic development opportunities to First Nations across the province.

(Oh hey-there IS MAGIC in LIE-beral money! LIE-berals must BORROW money to LOAN/give to natives so they can buy a debt ridden crown corporation with a ramshackle collection of distribution grid equipment that is worn out and badly in need of COSTLY replacement. Then the natives get to BORROW against their bankrupt Hydro holdings so they can make further investments! Its like MAGIC-borrowed money galore just pulled out of thin air and spent on-well-we DON’T and WON’T know how it is spent will we! Because LIE-berals have ALREADY slammed shut the books on OUR Hydro One-as if it was none of our business what our govt does with our money at the crown corporation we STILL OWN!)

(Ontari-owe natives are the people who BLEW THROUGH ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS in Attiwapiskat-that had been given to them for building desperately needed housing. And they spent it ALL- WITHOUT PRODUCING A SINGLE RECEIPT-AND without building a SINGLE HOUSE! These are the people who got paid millions to build houses in Kashetchewan and virtually all of the houses are RUINED because ALL the houses were built on a FLOOD PLAIN-INUNDATED on a yearly basis! These are the people who were given- by federal govt- a brand new MODERN prefabricated jail-and left it to rot on the Kashetchewan docks-too much trouble to assemble it I guess-while two idiot convicts set fire to their own jail cells in the ramshackle mess the band had previously been using as a jail! And both dorks burned to death while native constables scrambled to find the keys to open enough doors to get the dorks out-and what imbecile sets fire to a room he is locked into anyway?)

(And LIE-berals THINK these chronic drunkards and drug addicts and cigarette smugglers will be handling Hydro stock-that we are paying for with borrowed money and sky high hydro rates- more sensibly than their housing allowance?)

Thirty per cent of the utility's shares have already been sold, and if 15 million shares are sold to the First Nations, it would represent another 2.5%.

(Just to ENSURE that the maximum possible MESS can be made by sloppy white hating natives, LIE-berals have ORDERED the following: ALL Hydro books will be SEALED-NO PUBLIC AUDITORS allowed-forever and a day-its NONE of our business what crap LIE-berals and natives are up to-AT OUR EXPENSE with Hydro money!)

(Further, after the Attiwapiskat and Kashetchewan messes-PLUS other scandals involving natives using housing money for cruises in Caribbean and paying band council chiefs and assorted hangers on a HUGE PILE OF MAD MONEY; Conservatives ORDERED ALL NATIVE BANDS to post their books and expenses online so govt could see at a glance where the MULTI MILLIONS were going. Failure to post the information meant being cut off from govt funds! But our prime minister Trudope-that Boy with nice hair for BRAINS has cancelled that demand for public exposure of spending habits-natives can now do as they please with our money and tell anybody who complains to stuff it where the sun don’t shine, without ANY repercussions! Thank you LIE-berals for sh+tting all over responsible govt and public accountability!)
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#77
Didn't the independent auditor's find a $85 Million investment portfolio for Attiwapiskat? And Chief Spence had investment properties in Ottawa and Toronto?
 
MHz
#78
You can;t research that so it is a statement rather than a question?? That would certainly explain why you are full of propaganda instead of facts??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPhzleo-svc
Attawapiskat scam



Seems like all they did was do what their bosses were doing.
Last edited by MHz; Nov 30th, 2018 at 01:06 PM..
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#79
Attawapiskat’s Problematic Investment Portfolio- And how it conflicts with #IdleNoMore’s values…
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#80
Ans then here again

https://youtu.be/aDa8YDb3Ag4?t=227

I miss represented the size of the portfolio it was only $8-9 Million
 
MHz
#81
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq4F5kcm1es


So the money issue is the only thing you care about, shitty housing and many suicides are not important in your world eh.


http://www.chiefs-of-ontario.org/new...-attawapiskat/
HOUSING CRISIS IN ATTAWAPISKAT



BULLETIN
TO: All First Nations Chiefs within Ontario
FROM: Regional Chief Angus Toulouse
DATE: December 1, 2011
RE: HOUSING CRISIS AT ATTAWAPISKAT
ISSUE:
The Attawapiskat First Nation declared a state of emergency on October 28, 2011. The community continues to experience deplorable living conditions, due to lack of adequate housing and infrastructure, but now the conditions are worsening.
FACTS:
At the time of the state of emergency announcement by Chief Spence, there were:
· 5 families living in non-insulated tents
· 19 families living in makeshift sheds without water or electricity
· 87 buildings fit for condemnation that are being used as homes for 128 families
· 35 families living in houses needing serious repair
MEDIA COVERAGE:
Media coverage has increased as a result of Timmins-James Bay MP Charlie Angus raising this issue in the House of Commons. The coverage has focused on the deplorable conditions in the community (communicated through YouTube video footage and photographs of children with burn scars and infections), to a current focus on the First Nation having received $92 million in federal funding since 2006.
Recognizing that you, as First Nations leaders, may be approached with questions or asked to comment on this issue, the COO secretariat has prepared a list of potential questions and answers to assist you (attached).
CURRENT STATUS:
The Canadian Red Cross is currently assisting the First Nation through the provision of generators, heaters, insulated sleeping mats, blankets and winter clothing.
The Regional Chief participated in a conference call today, December 1, 2011, hosted by Grand Chief Stan Louttit. Also participating in the call were, National Chief Shawn Atleo, Chief Theresa Spence, as well as numerous other chiefs located in the north. During the call it was noted that a press conference was held this afternoon in the community to disclose the details of all federal funding received over the past five years. The community received a hand delivered letter from the Regional Director General of Aboriginal Affairs that notified the community that they are being placed under third party management (which is deemed to be AANDC’s response to the community’s declaration of a state of emergency a month ago.)
During next week’s AFN Special Chiefs Assembly, the AFN will arrange another meeting to follow today’s conference call to determine ways to continue providing further support. It was also agreed that a resolution of support for Attawapiskat, and similarly affected communities across the country, will be introduced as part of the agenda.
CHIEFS OF ONTARIO ACTIVITIES:
At the request of Chief Theresa Spence, the Chiefs of Ontario has written to both AANDC (INAC) Minister Duncan and MAA Minister Wynne requesting a meeting with the Chief. The Regional Chief has been taking media interviews to advocate for Chief Spence’s request for immediate assistance.
The Regional Chief provided an opinion piece to the Toronto Star on the situation which was published in today’s edition, December 1, 2011 (attached). Future messaging from the COO and the Regional Chief will focus on advocacy for immediate assistance, historical context and treaty obligations. Requests for commentary on the financial situation of Attawapiskat will be directed to Chief Spence as she is in the best position to speak to the specifics.


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...orse-than-ever
After chief of Ontario reserve says housing crisis worse than ever, Trudeau promises to help

Trudeau said during a visit to Pikangikum First Nation that Ottawa is serious about working with the community to improve its housing


PIKANGIKUM, Ont. — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is promising a remote northwestern Ontario reserve help with a housing shortage that the chief says is worse than ever.
Trudeau said during a visit to Pikangikum First Nation that Ottawa is serious about working with the community to improve its housing.
He said more and better housing in Indigenous communities is one of his government’s priorities.
Earlier in the day, Pikangikum Chief Dean Owen said the backlog of homes needing to be built on the reserve is almost twice as much as it was when he became chief.


https://www.timminspress.com/2018/05...d-0edb69181f99
Chiefs frustrated by delays in solving housing, water issues


Published on: May 10, 2018 | Last Updated: May 10, 2018 5:12 PM EDT




Attawapiskat Chief Ignace Gull says his First Nation has been waiting for years for the housing shortage in his community to be addressed.
With Perry Bellegarde, the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations standing at the podium inviting comments from around the table at the Nishnawbe Aski Nation Chiefs Spring Assembly, Gull grabbed the opportunity to voice his frustration.
Gull noted the fact there is an Ontario provincial election in June followed by the election of the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations.
“When it comes to election, people talk. Words. No action. That’s what I see over the last 30 years I’ve been around. We were talking about the same things 30 years ago. We keep repeating ourselves. In the meantime, people are waiting for something to happen.”
He said in Attawapiskat, “We have no serviced lots in our community … We have 200 people on a waiting list looking for a home.”
The First Nation, he said, has applied to expand its boundaries to accommodate new serviced lots but Gull said government officials have told him “legal issues” are holding up the application and the community is likely facing another three to seven years before there may be an approval.
“I think we as NAN chiefs, we need to do something,” said Gull. “We need to do something, not study something. We’ve been studied to death. We know what the problem is. We need our executive to start lobbying instead of looking at the problem. Find a solution because the Department of Indian Affairs, their system is not working for us.”
Another chief, Wayne Moonias of Neskantaga First Nation, located in Northwestern Ontario, spoke about the boil-water advisory that community has endured for nearly 25 years.
The federal government announced last year it would spend $9 million to upgrade the water plant to finally address the poor water quality, but Moonias told the NAN assembly Ottawa has put the project on hold.
He, too, expressed his frustration and urged support from the assembled chiefs and the national chief to lobby the government and get these issues revolved.
Bellegarde was asked after the meeting by The Daily Press why these housing and water-quality issues have taken so long to get resolved.
“Because the gap in the needs is so huge, that’s why,” he replied. “You’re not going to resolve these housing crises in three years. You’re not going to resolve the boil water advisory in three years. So it’s going to take a lot more resources to end the boil water advisories in Canada.”
Bellegarde said if the governments had honoured the “spirit and intent” of the treaties they signed with First Nations, communities like Attawapiskat and Neskantaga wouldn’t be in a crisis now dealing with a housing shortage or lack of drinking water.
 
MHz
#82
Where is JT??
https://sputniknews.com/viral/201811...mmed-greeting/
The way President Putin and Crown Prince Mohammed conducted themselves during their initial exchange at the summit has attracted considerable attention from the media, with the video of their greeting going viral.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman managed to steal the spotlight at the G20 summit in Buenos Aires as they merely exchanged a high-five during the event.
The cheerful manner with which the two men greeted each other has apparently caught the eye of quite a few reporters, with the video of the exchange quickly going viral.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#83
Here is a report for real estate purchases

https://youtu.be/VPhzleo-svc?t=397
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq4F5kcm1es
So the money issue is the only thing you care about, shitty housing and many suicides are not important in your world eh.
http://www.chiefs-of-ontario.org/new...-attawapiskat/
HOUSING CRISIS IN ATTAWAPISKAT
BULLETIN
TO: All First Nations Chiefs within Ontario
FROM: Regional Chief Angus.

Where did the $500,000,000.00 go that was budgeted and payed out to the band? And why wasn't it used on housing?
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Where is JT??
https://sputniknews.com/viral/201811...mmed-greeting/
The way President Putin and Crown Prince Mohammed conducted themselves during their initial exchange at the summit has attracted considerable attention from the media, with the video of their greeting going viral.
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman managed to steal the spotlight at the G20 summit in Buenos Aires as they merely exchanged a high-five during the event.
The cheerful manner with which the two men greeted each other has apparently caught the eye of quite a few reporters, with the video of the exchange quickly going viral.

What has this got to do with Natives?
 
MHz
#85
It has to do with JT, you know the one in the thread title. Mocking the KSA for their human rights abuses when his won backyards kill how many Indian a year through intentional means. He should get what he is saying what MBS should be facing. Karma at its finest.


You missed a post'
Seems like all they did was do what their bosses were doing.


Lawyers tend to be involved in thefts that involve more than a million, those cases never get resolved to the benefit of the Natives. You think all that is by accident??
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#86
Who was the Chief's boss? Isn't she the boss of the band council?

I didn't miss anything I actually linked the same video where it was reported the portfolio and investment property
 
spilledthebeer
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#87
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Didn't the independent auditor's find a $85 Million investment portfolio for Attiwapiskat? And Chief Spence had investment properties in Ottawa and Toronto?






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Oh my!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral news media must have worked VERY HARD to suppress that bit of native dirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I must have been on a camping trip and away from news media when that came out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#88
It's a my bad STB it was "ONLY" $8-9 Million investment portfolio that included investments in her original environmental supporters biggest nemesis, Oilsand and chemical companies which forced the groups to condemn her for the investments.

FSIN welcomes federal proposed changes to Indigenous child welfare system

Quote:

A First Nation-run child welfare system would give children the best opportunities to succeed in life, according to the head of the Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations (FSIN).
Chief Bobby Cameron welcomed news Friday that the federal government will develop a new child and family services model giving more autonomy to Indigenous communities.
"It's all a part of the governance and the jurisdiction where we bring into the equation the language and culture component,” Cameron said.
“This is what’s lacking in the provincial government system.”
Leaders from the FSIN will be involved in the federal consultation process, as it creates new legislation transitioning control over Indigenous children in care from the current provincial and territorial models.
The federal government is aiming to introduce the new legislation when the House of Commons resumes sitting in late January.
In the interim, FSIN vice-chief Heather Bear called for the Saskatchewan government to implement a moratorium on Indigenous child placement in the provincial foster care system without consent of, and consultation with First Nations.
WATCH BELOW: Feds to introduce legislation on Indigenous child services in 2019
“The harms are still happening and we need to stop it now,” Bear said.
During an Ottawa news conference, Canada’s Indigenous Services Minister Jane Philpott said children are taken from their parents daily under the guise of "neglect."
According to Philpott, the term is a euphemism for economic poverty, inadequate housing and unresolved health issues.
“This is our modern-day variation on the legacy of residential schools,” she said.
In a statement, Saskatchewan Social Services Minister Paul Merriman noted the province currently works with the Saskatoon Tribal Council, providing a “culturally appropriate continuum of family services.”
Provincial officials have met with the federal government, Indigenous agencies and local leaders to discuss the anticipated legislation, the statement said.
“We are supportive of the concepts being discussed at the table, and want to be involved in the development and implementation of legislation that will achieve better outcomes for Indigenous children and their families,” Merriman said.
Saskatchewan has agreements with 17 First Nations child and family services agency for delivering child welfare services on-reserve.
Three agreements allow the province to deliver child welfare services off-reserve.

So who will to be blamed when the costs spiral out of control and fails?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#89
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

It's a my bad STB it was "ONLY" $8-9 Million investment portfolio that included investments in her original environmental supporters biggest nemesis, Oilsand and chemical companies which forced the groups to condemn her for the investments.
FSIN welcomes federal proposed changes to Indigenous child welfare system
So who will to be blamed when the costs spiral out of control and fails?

Coyote. That one usually works.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#90
Ottawa to overhaul how it deals with First Nations historical claims