Sask may no longer legally fund non-Catholic students


tay
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in Catholic schools

The ruling Thursday by a Saskatchewan judge that the province’s government may no longer legally fund non-Catholic students in Catholic schools is the legal equivalent of the Mother Of All Bombs!

In an era of declining enrolments in many communities in which separate Catholic school boards successfully compete with public schools for students of all faiths and no faith, and the public money that comes with them, the implications for the separate Catholic school system are potentially devastating.

It will be interesting to see the reaction to this ruling from supporters of often financially hard-pressed public schools, many of whom think funding two redundant school systems is unfair and wasteful, while others, like teachers’ unions, have a vested interest in a healthy Catholic school system. Needless to say, the political implications in both provinces, and Ontario as well, are far-reaching.

It was only just starting to sink in yesterday what a catastrophe this ruling could be for Catholic education both in Saskatchewan and Alberta. In these two former parts of the North West Territories, the same 150-year-old constitutional compromise led to the creation of large and powerful Roman Catholic school systems that nowadays need plenty of non-Catholic students to maintain their position in the community, not to mention their cash flow.

For example, some estimates suggest that only half of the 40,000 children in the schools run by the Edmonton Catholic School District have Roman Catholic baptismal certificates. At best, then, if the ruling were to be applied here as well, Catholic education would be in for a significant downsizing and the Edmonton Public School Board would have to pick up most of the pieces. After all, a few non-Catholic parents might be willing to pay full school fees to keep their kids in Catholic school, but many wouldn’t, even if they could afford it.


So an appeal is certain of the ruling by Mr. Justice Donald Layh of the Saskatchewan Court of Queen’s Bench in the lawsuit that arose in 2003 from the situation in the town of Theodore, where a public school was closed for lack of students, a Catholic school opened, and many parents transferred their children to the Catholic system to keep them off buses and close to home.

The outcome Thursday in the long legal dispute between the public Good Spirit School Division and the Christ the Teacher Catholic Separate School Division was Mr. Justice Layh’s ruling that provincial funding for non-Catholic students “is a violation of the state’s duty of religious neutrality” under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

As Mr. Janz, who is still a public school trustee, pointed out at the time, constitutional guarantees notwithstanding, nowhere is it written that Catholic education must permeate every other topic taught in schools.

Catholic school boards with their administrative superstructures and huge budgets – $397 million in Edmonton and $591 million at the Calgary Catholic School District, including the legal costs of fights over things like gay-straight alliances and the rights of transgender teachers – could be absorbed into the pubic school systems with significant savings.

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Johnnny
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Even though i was taught in a Catholic School i think all religious schools should have their complete government funding cut...

Yea the Catholic Teachers have up'd their teaching game but the world is changing and the world of the future does not need religion. Theres the door.

After we dismantle all government funding for all religious schools we can then work on dismantling ethnic-centric schools next...

The public school system even if it is kinda, "Meh", should the future of Canada.

Separate Church and Skate!!!!


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petros
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As Mr. Janz, who is still a public school trustee, pointed out at the time, constitutional guarantees notwithstanding, nowhere is it written that Catholic education must permeate every other topic taught in schools.

Nothing "permeates". Ciriculum and textbooks are identical in either system.
 
Curious Cdn
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Bad for Saskatchewan. The only reason that Ontario still has a denominational system is that Dalton McGinty is a devout Catholic and therefore he did the wrong thing when the question confronted him.
 
petros
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It's not going away no matter how hard the dieing Orangemen try.
 
captain morgan
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It isn't the province that is making the decision in funding the Separate School System, the tax payers have chosen where they want their money to go.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

It isn't the province that is making the decision in funding the Separate School System, the tax payers have chosen where they want their money to go.

Which is the Muncipality.
 
captain morgan
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Unsure about Sask, but in AB, you have the option to check-off a box re: what school system you want to support.
 
petros
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The Injuns who send their kids to Catholic schools are going to be upset. It's their Right to have a Religious education.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Unsure about Sask, but in AB, you have the option to check-off a box re: what school system you want to support.

Yeah, same in SK it's all on your property taxes and funding follows the student.

Mr Nazi Janz should have went after the Reeve and his/her crew.

If it weren't for PM Borden there would have been an Orthodox board too.
 
captain morgan
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This is why I laugh my butt off every time one of the usual suspects gets their panties all in a knot over the catholic school system and bleats about some kinda discrimination or favoritism... Ultimately, the public at large wants this and somehow, magically it's all unfair and undemocratic.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

This is why I laugh my butt off every time one of the usual suspects gets their panties all in a knot over the catholic school system and bleats about some kinda discrimination or favoritism... Ultimately, the public at large wants this and somehow, magically it's all unfair and undemocratic.

Only to an Orangeman or Luther wannabe.

All those White Catholics are ruining Canada!


Kids at Sacred Heart Elementary Regina SK

The token white boy being shown off for the Regina press.
Last edited by petros; Apr 22nd, 2017 at 09:47 AM..
 
captain morgan
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You should tell that to all the folks that demanded that their cash support their system of choice
 
petros
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It's fagro.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It's fagro.

No doubt.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by pepe the frog View Post

Yep, it sure is ya spineless coward.

What do I fear fagro? Certainly not you.
 
petros
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Why would I fear an unemployed faggot drywaller?
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It's not going away no matter how hard the dieing Orangemen try.

It won't be Orangemen deciding. You should be so lucky. It'll be the non-Christian majority that takes away the un-demcratic Catholic perk that defies the division of church and state.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

This is why I laugh my butt off every time one of the usual suspects gets their panties all in a knot over the catholic school system and bleats about some kinda discrimination or favoritism... Ultimately, the public at large wants this and somehow, magically it's all unfair and undemocratic.

It's no secret that you don't give a flying feck about fairness or democracy.
 
petros
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So why are people sending their "non-Christian" kids to Catholic schools?
 
Cliffy
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I attended catholic school in Quebec from 1 - 7. Then, miraculously, I escaped to the protestant system in grade 8 and found myself about 2 years behind the other students. It was hard work to catch up, but I thank my lucky stars that I was emancipated from that draconian system run by sadistic penguins and pedophiles. In the protestant system they gave us a background in all the major religions without trying to lead us in any particular direction. They helped encourage thinking for ourselves. The catholic system was a complete brainwashing in the terror of godly punishment for every little misdemeanor.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

I attended catholic school in Quebec from 1 - 7. Then, miraculously, I escaped to the protestant system in grade 8 and found myself about 2 years behind the other students. It was hard work to catch up, but I thank my lucky stars that I was emancipated from that draconian system run by sadistic penguins and pedophiles. In the protestant system they gave us a background in all the major religions without trying to lead us in any particular direction. They helped encourage thinking for ourselves. The catholic system was a complete brainwashing in the terror of godly punishment for every little misdemeanor.

What education system do you elect to apply your tax dollars towards?

... My bad, you don't pay taxes do you
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by pepe the frog View Post

Why are christian kids going to non christian schools?

Why are non-Catholics going to Catholic schools? We could have put one of our kids in a nearby Catholic elementary because he had been baptized in the Anglican church ... which is "close enough" for the priests. We didn't, in the end but we looked into it.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by pepe the frog View Post

Or because we pay for them....and we shouldn't.

You don't pay for 'them' if you choose not to, just like I can elect not to pay for your spawn if I choose to do so via the option on my property tax bill
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

I attended catholic school in Quebec from 1 - 7. Then, miraculously, I escaped to the protestant system in grade 8 and found myself about 2 years behind the other students. It was hard work to catch up, but I thank my lucky stars that I was emancipated from that draconian system run by sadistic penguins and pedophiles. In the protestant system they gave us a background in all the major religions without trying to lead us in any particular direction. They helped encourage thinking for ourselves. The catholic system was a complete brainwashing in the terror of godly punishment for every little misdemeanor.

Psst. There were more Injuns buggered in Protestant Injun residential schools.

How did you fall behind on the same circulum and the same standardized provincial tests?
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

I attended catholic school in Quebec from 1 - 7. Then, miraculously, I escaped to the protestant system in grade 8 and found myself about 2 years behind the other students. It was hard work to catch up, but I thank my lucky stars that I was emancipated from that draconian system run by sadistic penguins and pedophiles. In the protestant system they gave us a background in all the major religions without trying to lead us in any particular direction. They helped encourage thinking for ourselves. The catholic system was a complete brainwashing in the terror of godly punishment for every little misdemeanor.

I went through the Quebec school system as well, when it was demominational. I was in the Protestant side and we noticed that the sciences that we were studying were years ahead of what they were getting in the Catholic schools. The Catholic system was the majority system and the Protestants self-funded. The Protestant population of a big part of Montreal was composed of middle class and upper middle class executive types, back when all of the national head offices and branch offices were there. A big part of English Montreal was and still is the Jewish population and they won't stand for second-rate schooling. The Jewish community is always at the forefront of raising money for any cause and, because they were forced into the Protestant system, they spread their largesse, there. It was grossly unfair to the Catholic, Francophone Quebecois and that system is long dead, there ... now divided by language. (only in Montreal and it's surrounds).
 
petros
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Years ahead on Provincial curiculum and identical tests?

How did that happen?

Nap time?
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Years ahead on Provincial curiculum and identical tests?

How did that happen?

Nap time?

Not in Quebec in the 1970's ... It was the other way around.

Minority systems that are well funded produce better results. That is the downfall of the US school system whereby each school district funds themselves and so rich ones have well endowed schools and poor ones perpetuate ignorance with poor schools and poor outcomes.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Years ahead on Provincial curiculum and identical tests?

How did that happen?

Nap time?

Funny how all those ideologues that moved into the Public system appear to be the least educated on these boards.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Funny how all those ideologues that moved into the Public system appear to be the least educated on these boards.

Is everyone in Alberta an a55hole or just the internet loudmouths?
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by pepe the frog View Post

Oh, so my taxes in Ontario do not pay 1 penny to the public Catholic school system?

Here I am learning again from the master.

Thank you.

How is it that you're still here?


Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Is everyone in Alberta an a55hole or just the internet loudmouths?

The Quebec education system must be so ashamed to have produced you.

... You really ought to give them their money back
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Not in Quebec in the 1970's ... It was the other way around.

Minority systems that are well funded produce better results. That is the downfall of the US school system whereby each school district funds themselves and so rich ones have well endowed schools and poor ones perpetuate ignorance with poor schools and poor outcomes.

Yes in QC in the 70's. Remember the fill in the dot CTBS tests?

The Canadian Test of Basic Skills (CTBS) is a standardized test that is used by both private and public schools across Canada?

Remember?