It's Time to Upgrade Free Speech to Fair Speech


Colpy
Conservative
+1
#571
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

What is your point?

He doesn't punch them, he doesn't say jail them, he doesn't say prevent them from being heard, he says they shouldn't be employed at the White House.

I concur.
 
mentalfloss
#572
And I never said Nazis can't beg before they get the boot.
 
YoungCDNGuy
+1
#573
Free speech is free speech. As someone mentioned earlier, fair speech has to be then decided by someone else. Let the man speak but if he incites violence or does something violent thats when it needs to be addressed
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#574
Judge not a man by what he says, but by what he does...


Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

And I never said Nazis can't beg before they get the boot.

Nazis hate free speech and love fakenews, and never make accurate predictions, that could be YOU.
 
mentalfloss
#575
Quote: Originally Posted by YoungCDNGuy View Post

Free speech is free speech. As someone mentioned earlier, fair speech has to be then decided by someone else. Let the man speak but if he incites violence or does something violent thats when it needs to be addressed

Well that's exactly what I'm saying.

Free speech does not address that incitement of violence.

Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Nazis hate free speech and love fakenews, and never make accurate predictions, that could be YOU.

Nazis hate visible minorities and they will use free speech as a tool to harm them.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
#576
Quote: Originally Posted by YoungCDNGuy View Post

Free speech is free speech. As someone mentioned earlier, fair speech has to be then decided by someone else. Let the man speak but if he incites violence or does something violent thats when it needs to be addressed

Fair speech is entirely a subjective matter.

What is fair to one is unfair to another.

This is the underlying reason why the premise of fair speech is totally baseless
 
mentalfloss
#577
Free speech is subjective.

It currently favours those in a position of authority.


Especially gubmint.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#578
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Fair speech is entirely a subjective matter.

What is fair to one is unfair to another.

This is the underlying reason why the premise of fair speech is totally baseless

Fair speech means approved by someone...
Then it ceases to be free, It becomes policed speech....


 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
#579
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Fair speech means approved by someone...
Then it ceases to be free, It becomes policed speech....

Bingo.

.. And the big question is: Who sits in judgement as to deciding what speech is fair?

Georgie Orwell would be sickened by the gravitas of this ridiculous movement
 
mentalfloss
#580
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Fair speech means approved by someone...
Then it ceases to be free, It becomes policed speech....


Fair speech is simply a reasonable amendment to free speech that everyone can agree with.

For example, no Nazi parades.

Oktoberfest is cool though.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Georgie Orwell would be sickened by the gravitas of this ridiculous movement

Even people who understand 1984 don't believe this tripe.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
#581
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Even people who understand 1984 don't believe this tripe.

It's almost right out of the book.

Clearly you don't understand
 
mentalfloss
#582
You don't understand that people make this decision for themselves.

Hate speech laws wouldn't even be a thing if they didn't have overwhelming support.


By the people.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#583
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Bingo.

.. And the big question is: Who sits in judgement as to deciding what speech is fair?

Georgie Orwell would be sickened by the gravitas of this ridiculous movement

I'll bet that book burning started that way with panels judging what is acceptable reading and what is not......
Poor Trudope doesn't even realize that his sig says it all

 
mentalfloss
#584
If that were true then we would have been burning books in the 80s.

It's okay to admit you're just a pussy.
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
-1
#585
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Fair speech is simply a reasonable amendment to free speech that everyone can agree with.

For example, no Nazi parades.

Oktoberfest is cool though.



Even people who understand 1984 don't believe this tripe.

Freedom and democracy are not synonymous. Clearly you believe the latter trumps the former.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
#586
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

You don't understand that people make this decision for themselves.

Hate speech laws wouldn't even be a thing if they didn't have overwhelming support.


By the people.


Alright... So understanding that people have the capacity to assess, in their own mind, what qualifies as fair speech, then every perspective is fair as long as one person deems it fair.

That said, there would be no such thing as hate speech, right?

PS - DaS is right, your sig, if objected to by anyone, would be a form of hate speech... Kinda hypocritical for you to act as champion of fair speech with that sig
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
-1
#587
*hug*

I love how Flossy's sig upsets the snowflakes
 
mentalfloss
#588
Firstly, it's not a form of hate speech.

Secondly, you've admitted that what is acceptable is determined by the people and Orwell would be proud.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#589
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Firstly, it's not a form of hate speech.

As long as one person, according to you, believes it to be offensive, then it qualifies

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Secondly, you've admitted that what is acceptable is determined by the people and Orwell would be proud.

You still shy away from qualifying your position by defining who (group, individual, Committee, etc) decides what is deemed as fair .

Without that detail, you have no force in the comments you make
 
mentalfloss
#590
No, one person being offended definitely doesn't qualify as hate speech.

And I already qualified that citizens determine what is acceptable.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#591
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

No, one person being offended definitely doesn't qualify as hate speech.

Ok.

So, how many people does it take?

X number of signatures on a petition?

X percentage of the local population?

What is the metric that is required?

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

And I already qualified that citizens determine what is acceptable.

No you didn't
 
mentalfloss
#592
Conservatives already tried it with their Barbaric Hotline.

Didn't quite work out for them.

I'm sure that clamping down on Nazi rallies would be fairly uncontroversial.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#593
That's nice.

So, what's the answer?
 
mentalfloss
#594
If it is part of a platform and everyone votes for it, that would be a start.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#595
So, how many people does it take?

X number of signatures on a petition?

X percentage of the local population?

What is the metric that is required?
 
mentalfloss
#596
How many does it take to enact any other policy?
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
-1
#597
So rights should be set by government policy and not the Constitution?

Do you feel the same way about every right?
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#598
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

And I already qualified that citizens determine what is acceptable.

All I am seeking is a definition that represents a quantifiable metric for the above.

Please, do provide what is acceptable
 
mentalfloss
#599
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

So rights should be set by government policy and not the Constitution?

Do you feel the same way about every right?


You can easily make policy that's not unconstitutional.

I mean, unless your Harper, but that's besides the point.
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
-1
#600
Didn't answer the question (surprise).

Carry on.
 

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