Moderates: A Dying Breed?


Girth
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Are people that hold moderate views on politics diminishing?

There seems to be far more people who hold entirely leftist or right wing views. I noticed the change beginning around 2015, and it keeps getting worse. I miss the days where people with moderate views were the norm.
 
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Girth
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RoninRegina, DaSpeeper, and gerryh strike me as moderates.
 
Ron in Regina
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I think everyone, in their own mind, is a moderate. They are the center of their own roads and judge others accordingly.
 
petros
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I dont make emotional or religious based decisions in my political thinking.

What does that make me?
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

Are people that hold moderate views on politics diminishing?
There seems to be far more people who hold entirely leftist or right wing views. I noticed the change beginning around 2015, and it keeps getting worse. I miss the days where people with moderate views were the norm.

Good question. I think the lack of identity on the internet has contributed to this. Then again center has always been somewhat subjective. It is easy to identify extremists on either end but defining a moderate is much more difficult. To a certain extent left and right are meaningless because many of today's issues are neither right nor left issues but the way they are tackled may depend on one's political leanings. There is little difference between extreme left and right. The ideology may be different but thought process is much the same.
Then too is many more people understand bargaining. If you start with a moderate position you will lose big time. If you want a 3% raise for example you had best demand 7% or you are going to end up with a 1% raise.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

I think everyone, in their own mind, is a moderate. They are the center of their own roads and judge others accordingly.

Kinda like 80% of Americans identify as "middle class."
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I dont make emotional or religious based decisions in my political thinking.
What does that make me?

I think you probably do without realizing it. Probably impossible not to. The only difference would be the matter of degree.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

I dont make emotional or religious based decisions in my political thinking.
What does that make me?

Of course you do. Representative Ocasio-Cortez is your Satan, and you get together with Moosie to sing your hymns.
 
taxslave
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Covid cut into your ambulance chasing?
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Of course you do. Representative Ocasio-Cortez is your Satan, and you get together with Moosie to sing your hymns.

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Covid cut into your ambulance chasing?

Well, that didn't take long at all.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Covid cut into your ambulance chasing?

Ambulance chasing is so old-guy, old guy. I just use the internet.
 
Dixie Cup
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I think most people are moderate but when you get people like AOC & Ohmer etc., one gets"riled up" at their stupidity. Change is good as long as it makes sense. When you get extremists like these people are then I'm guessing that the "moderates" get riled because nothing these Leftists do makes sense. I know I do get riled up because I can't believe the stupidity of these people.

Change is only good if it makes sense economically, environmentally & socially. Major changes take time and should not be taken lightly. What these people want is to destroy everything that is the U.S. (& eventually Canada as it's already happening) and implement their globalist ideologies for pure power & control and not for any other reason. They do not have the best interests of their communities at all.
 
Jinentonix
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The Circular Firing Squad is Destroying the Left's Brand.



On last week’s Quillette podcast, I asked Marginal Revolution host and Mercatus Center director Tyler Cowen whether socialism could become a mainstream political movement in the United States. Cowen answered in the affirmative, though only insofar as socialism was presented in a constrained form—as “extreme discontent with capitalism, more redistribution, much more government regulation, [and] nationalization [of] the health sector.”


I believe Cowen is correct. As a Canadian who travels often to the United States, I often find myself shocked by the vast gulf between haves and have-nots in American society. Even here in Canada, where the class divisions are less stark, I’m a supporter of more aggressive measures aimed at helping people who are disabled, uneducated, mired in poverty, imprisoned (or recently released from prison), or burdened with care for the very old or very young. I believe income inequality is a real problem, and I’m troubled by the self-segregation of populations according to socioeconomic status, a phenomenon that has all sorts of toxic political repercussions. And at election time, I seek out parties that support these progressive ideas.


Since I live in Canada, you’d think I’d have plenty of electoral options. And insofar as the above-cited issues go, I do: The incumbent Liberals, New Democrats (NDP) and Green Party all broadly embrace this socialistic platform. But in the cultural sphere, the progressive movement they represent increasingly is being undercut by extremist grass-roots activists who repel moderates. Most progressive politicians either have ignored this phenomenon entirely, or have encouraged it in order to attract support from the media, which, on the most fashionable issues, has put its chips down with the activists.


The governing Liberals have explicitly embraced the doctrine of intersectionality, which is all about helping the most marginalized slivers of the population. On this axis, trans women—though they represent only about 0.35% of the Canadian population—outrank the roughly 50% of Canadians who would describe themselves merely as female. That kind of arithmetic has a way of turning off voters.


More- https://quillette.com/2019/04/15/how...an-case-study/
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Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

The Circualar Firing Squad is Destroying the Left's Band.

Dafuq?
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Dafuq?

Typo. Ooops.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Typo. Ooops.

I thought it was the drummer f*cking the lead singer's boyfriend that destroyed the band?
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I thought it was the drummer f*cking the lead singer's boyfriend that destroyed the band?

Did ya actually read the article?
 
Girth
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

Change is only good if it makes sense economically, environmentally & socially. Major changes take time and should not be taken lightly. What these people want is to destroy everything that is the U.S. (& eventually Canada as it's already happening) and implement their globalist ideologies for pure power & control and not for any other reason. They do not have the best interests of their communities at all.

I completely agree. That is why Americans need to vote Trump, and his hardcore GOP lackeys out of office. He is ****ing up the World, and causing more damage to the World economy that any other President in the history of the United States.
 
Girth
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

The Circular Firing Squad is Destroying the Left's Brand.
On last week’s Quillette podcast, I asked Marginal Revolution host and Mercatus Center director Tyler Cowen whether socialism could become a mainstream political movement in the United States. Cowen answered in the affirmative, though only insofar as socialism was presented in a constrained form—as “extreme discontent with capitalism, more redistribution, much more government regulation, [and] nationalization [of] the health sector.”
I believe Cowen is correct. As a Canadian who travels often to the United States, I often find myself shocked by the vast gulf between haves and have-nots in American society. Even here in Canada, where the class divisions are less stark, I’m a supporter of more aggressive measures aimed at helping people who are disabled, uneducated, mired in poverty, imprisoned (or recently released from prison), or burdened with care for the very old or very young. I believe income inequality is a real problem, and I’m troubled by the self-segregation of populations according to socioeconomic status, a phenomenon that has all sorts of toxic political repercussions. And at election time, I seek out parties that support these progressive ideas.
Since I live in Canada, you’d think I’d have plenty of electoral options. And insofar as the above-cited issues go, I do: The incumbent Liberals, New Democrats (NDP) and Green Party all broadly embrace this socialistic platform. But in the cultural sphere, the progressive movement they represent increasingly is being undercut by extremist grass-roots activists who repel moderates. Most progressive politicians either have ignored this phenomenon entirely, or have encouraged it in order to attract support from the media, which, on the most fashionable issues, has put its chips down with the activists.
The governing Liberals have explicitly embraced the doctrine of intersectionality, which is all about helping the most marginalized slivers of the population. On this axis, trans women—though they represent only about 0.35% of the Canadian population—outrank the roughly 50% of Canadians who would describe themselves merely as female. That kind of arithmetic has a way of turning off voters.
More- https://quillette.com/2019/04/15/how...an-case-study/

This is arguably the best post I ahve seen on this forum in months. I agree with helping the less fortunate, and giving people second chances, with access to health care, education, and a better life and social system. If it meant raising taxes to corporations to bay a basic living wage for all Canadians, I am 100% for it.

The problem is that the Liberals and NDP support progressive bullshit. All this Black Lives Matter, Canada is a colonial state that committed genocide against Indigenous people, Trudeau correcting people with pronoun use, and stating that Women are unsafe if they live in a town with construction workers or people in the energy extraction field, and "We should feel guilty since we are White people and shamed of our privilege."

If only the centre-left was not held hostage by a bunch of progressive morons, who do not give two shits for the average working class Canadian, I might support them.
 
gerryh
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Are moderates a dieing greed? Short answer, no.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Did ya actually read the article?

Give me time. So far, I'm still having fun with the headline.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

This is arguably the best post I ahve seen on this forum in months. I agree with helping the less fortunate, and giving people second chances, with access to health care, education, and a better life and social system. If it meant raising taxes to corporations to bay a basic living wage for all Canadians, I am 100% for it.

Commie.
 

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