Russia accuses Poland of starting Second World War


china
Conservative
#1
Russia accuses Poland of starting Second World War

Russia has accused Poland of provoking the outbreak of the Second World War by refusing to accede to the "very modest" demands of Nazi Germany.



By Adrian Blomfield in St Petersburg
Published: 4:58PM BST 04 Jun 2009


The Russian defence ministry posted a potentially inflammatory essay on its website which claimed Poland resisted Germany's ultimatums in 1939 only because it "wanted to obtain the status of a great power".
The lengthy diatribe, which is unlikely to be welcomed in Warsaw, also lashed out at Britain and France for giving the Poles "delusions of grandeur" by promising to intercede if the Nazis invaded.

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"Anyone who has been minded to study the history of the Second World War knows it started because of Poland's refusal to meet Germany's requests," the statement read. "The German demands were very modest. You could hardly call them unfounded."
Appearing to take Germany's demands at face value, the defence ministry insisted that the Nazis were interested only in building transport links across the Polish Corridor to East Prussia and assuming control of Gdansk, which had been designated as a free city at the time.
Western historians largely recognise that Poland would have lost its independence had it acceded to the demands, pointing to Hitler's policies of Lebensbraum and the creation of a Greater Germany as evidence.
Germany invaded Poland on Sept 1, 1939, prompting the British Empire and France to declare war over the next two days. Germany and the Soviet Union then carved up Poland under the terms of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
The statement, written by Col Sergei Kovalev, a senior researcher at the defence ministry, appears to be part of a new Kremlin campaign to push its view of Soviet era history.
Polandís foreign ministry said it would summon Russiaís ambassador to Warsaw to demand an explanation, as the allegations showed signs of triggering a major row between the two countries.
Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian president, last month created a commission to identify foreign "revisionists" who disparage the country's prestige and "falsify" its history.
Col Kovalev's paper, which appears under a section titled History: Lies and Falsifications, claims that British support for Warsaw caused Poland to "lose all sense of reality."
It also attacked the Western press for suggesting that the Soviet Union carried some blame for the War by its alliance with Hitler under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, which carved up Europe into two spheres of influence to be headed by Hitler and Stalin.
"No representative of a Western democracy has the right to discuss any treaty between the Soviet Union and Germany," given that Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich Agreement of 1938 giving Germany control of the Sudetenland.
As for the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Col Kovalev wrote, it was merely a time-buying mechanism after Britain refused to sign a mutual defence treaty with the Soviet Union.
Under the pact the Soviet Union took control of two-thirds of Poland as well as the Baltic states, but only, he wrote, in order to create a buffer zone that would allow Moscow to marshal its defences ahead of an inevitable war with the Third Reich.
Under planned legislation, backed by Mr Medvedev, any Russian or foreigner who claims that the Soviet Union occupied Poland or the Baltic States could face up to five years in prison.



 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
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Poland should give Russia the Trudeau salute.
 
china
Conservative
#3
Forget the salute ;if possible I'd give them Trudeau.
 
dumpthemonarchy
Free Thinker
#4
Russia, Russia, Russsia. What they should work on are some facts first. Like 4 out of 5 German soldiers died on the Eastern Front, not the Western Front. The most gigantic battles of WW2 like Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow and Kursk were on the Eastern Front. Over 300,000 died in the Battle of Warsaw. Not to mention overall about 20-40 million dead and countries totally devastated.

Leningrad is not very well known as the thousand day battle where a million people died. Canada, the US and UK did not lose one million soldiers in total in all of WW2.

Russia is getting into enterpretations, which every country is permitted to do. But this is complicated, and does nothing for Russia's image in the world. Every country made serious mistakes with the rise of Hitler, the situation in Europe in the 1930s was extremely intense. Plus, it's bad for business.
 
Scott Free
Free Thinker
#5
Russia won the second world war hands down.

I once intently studied the war and a good case can be made for any number of causes.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#6
In a way Poland DID start WW2. They said NO!
 
Scott Free
Free Thinker
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

In a way Poland DID start WW2. They said NO!

To returning land to Germany taken after WWI.

"Anyone reading Mein Kampf could see what Hitler thought of Poland. A former province of Czarist Russia , Poland had been guaranteed access to the sea — the “Free Corridor” of Danzig — by the League of Nations. This agreement separated Prussia from Greater Germany by cutting a path through to the seaport of Danzig. This angered Hitler and many Germans, who saw the land as the birthright of Germans everywhere." - source

So an argument that Germany was taunted into the war is possible on these grounds.
 
wulfie68
No Party Affiliation
#8
Its a plausible argument but at the same time, the Russians denying they occupied Poland or the Baltic states is laughable. They only controlled Eastern Europe for 50 years after the war was over...

Saying the West has no right because Neville Chamberlain lacked a backbone over the Sudatenland is ridiculous, considering how tarnished Chamberlain's name has become in our history. Its disappointing to see the Russians falling back on the revisionism the Communists indulged in...
 
Colpy
Conservative
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68 View Post

Its a plausible argument but at the same time, the Russians denying they occupied Poland or the Baltic states is laughable. They only controlled Eastern Europe for 50 years after the war was over...

Saying the West has no right because Neville Chamberlain lacked a backbone over the Sudatenland is ridiculous, considering how tarnished Chamberlain's name has become in our history. Its disappointing to see the Russians falling back on the revisionism the Communists indulged in...

More to the point, of course, is that Russia co-operated in the 1939 invasion of Poland, having agreed with the Germans to split the country in two......Russia invaded Poland at the same time Germany did.......

This article is outrageous!
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#10
War might have been prevented with a few French shells lobbed into the Rhineland in March 1936
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by china View Post

Forget the salute ;if possible I'd give them Trudeau.

lmao Awesome idea!
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#12
Rissia won the war hands down. Yep. So did New Zealand and Australia, France, Canada, Poland, US, etc.