Brother Infidel Castro?


Kreskin
#1
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...stro-cuba.html

Cuban leader Fidel Castro said Monday he is undergoing surgery and will temporarily transfer his presidential powers to his brother.

Quote:



Cuban President Fidel Castro addresses a crowd of Latin American students gathered in Pedernales,in Holguin province, Cuba, for the anniversary of the attack on the Moncada barracks Wednesday, July 26, 2006. The attack, in 1953, is said to be the beginning of the Cuban Revolution. (Javier Galeano/Associated Press) Castro said in a letter read live on television by his secretary that he has suffered gastrointestinal bleeding, brought on by stress from recent public appearances in Argentina and Cuba.

 
thecdn
#2
All local channels interrupted normal tv at about 9:20pm or so with a 'breaking news' update to announce this. They kept yammering on for at least 25-30 minutes more, covering the history of Cuba and how Castro is such a bad man.

After destroying one of my wife's favourite shows - Hell's Kitchen, all local news shows of course kicked off with this as the lead story as they rehased everything that was said in the 'breaking news' updates.

Sometimes I just hate living in south Florida. The pandering to the Cuban community that goes on here is enough to make you sick.
 
tamarin
Conservative
#3
I saw a clip from Miami last night. And the street celebrations. Cuban flags were everywhere. How long has Florida been a Cuban colony?
 
missile
Conservative
#4
Only since Castro came into power
 
thecdn
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by tamarin

I saw a clip from Miami last night. And the street celebrations. Cuban flags were everywhere. How long has Florida been a Cuban colony?

Miami has been a Cuban colony for quite a few years now. Just a couple of weeks ago the Miami-Dade school board banned a book on Cuba in elementary schools about Cuban kids because it was 'full of lies' and didn't 'tell the true story of Cuba.' Glad to see these assholes don't inject their politics in to dealings with children

The ACLU sued and a judge had to step in to stop the stupidness. I lived in Louisville, KY during the Elian episode and I didn't meet anyone who didn't say send the kid back with his father. The views on Miami ranged from bomb it, to sink it, to cut it off and tow it back to Cuba.

After living here for six years, I understand these sentiments and agree with them often.
 
I think not
#6
With a little luck he might croak on the operating table.
 
Said1
Free Thinker
#7
That bastard is a drone, he'll never die...they're just adding age spot, a few more grey hairs and a wrinkle or two.
 
thecdn
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

With a little luck he might croak on the operating table.

If he does I'll cancel my paper for a week and not bother to turn on any local channels as that will be the only thing in the news.

Of course we'd also get to hear more about this http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060710...MzBHNlYwM3MDM-

Nothing like interfering with the internal workings of a sovereign nation. Oh, silly me, isn't this what the US does these days? :P
 
athabaska
#9
"If he does I'll cancel my paper for a week and not bother to turn on any local channels as that will be the only thing in the news."

I know what you mean. Too many news channels without enough news to fill them so the canned 'fluff' is played ad nauseum. Last week I was a watching CNN and they already pulled out the first story about a Lebanese baby being adopted.
 
Mirrormet
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by athabaska

Last week I was a watching CNN and they already pulled out the first story about a Lebanese baby being adopted.

Don't you know CNN is really all about Anderson Cooper? The war?.. pssht, thats just his background set.
 
Caleb-Dain Matton
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

With a little luck he might croak on the operating table.

I've researched Castro and Cuba extensively. I have read about 40 books on his life before and after thye revolution. I have wrote two university essays on him. I will challenge ANYONE to a debate on Cuba/Castro and how they are victims of U.S. - inspired propaganda. We will debate, one on one on MSN and then post the transcript here. I guarentee I will do circles around you.

Let me know who is interested.

People cut down Castro and they don't even know why > Losers.
 
I think not
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Caleb-Dain Matton

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

With a little luck he might croak on the operating table.

I've researched Castro and Cuba extensively. I have read about 40 books on his life before and after thye revolution. I have wrote two university essays on him. I will challenge ANYONE to a debate on Cuba/Castro and how they are victims of U.S. - inspired propaganda. We will debate, one on one on MSN and then post the transcript here. I guarentee I will do circles around you.

Let me know who is interested.

People cut down Castro and they don't even know why > Losers.

Ok I'll bite. You can start a thread about the benevolent Castro.
 
Caleb-Dain Matton
#13
Should we start with Operation Miracle (the established medical care program in Cuba that is currently restoring eyesight and curing various eye deficiencies to millions of Latin Americans), or shall we start with the fact that Cuba has more doctors internationally abroad serving those in need of medical attention or healthcare than any other country? You pick one and we'll discuss it.
 
I think not
#14
First of all I would suggest you start a new thread.

And second, why not start from the beginning? You know, when Castro made sure a single "enemy" wasn't left alive before he became Cuba's leader.

Or you can start with Batista and his oppressive regime.

We can work on the good stuff Castro has done as we go along.
 
VoteForGraeme
#15
Caleb-Dain Matton

I can't believe I am saying this, but I somewhat agree with you, a lot of people hate Castro but they don't know why.

While Castro and Cuba does have his and its problems, I have been there a few times (and I am going again in December). I love Cuba.

A lot of Cubans like Castro as well; he did liberate them from American rule, when America was reaping all the wealth out of Cuba. At that time sugar cane was like oil. And Americans owned all of it.

Castro kicked the Americans out and his plan was to start a type of co-op communism. His ideals really were noble in the start, it wasn't until soviets came along and had their own ideas of how Cuba should be run that things went downhill. Instead of dividing up the land for all the people, he ended up taking it from rich Americans and giving it to the more powerful Cubans.

Also Castro became very head strong and believed that he was doing the right and was the only one who would, that is why he started imprisoning anyone in a political movement against him...

Castro has organized an EXCELLENT education system, and the state provides the basic needs for everyone. Cubans in general are a great people, VERY VERY friendly. While they don't agree 100% with what Castro is doing and a lot of that has to do with secrecy in the government, they generally do accept him as their leader, even in private.

Some free enterprise is starting to be sanctioned in Cuba including farming co-ops in which the government rents the land for free so long as it is used to produce food. Cuba actually has some of the best growing practices in the world each joule of energy used to make food produces 12 joules of food energy, (in western civilizations that is reversed)

Cubans are starting to see the way free enterprise can help there society and are pushing a little for change. Currently a co-op farmer can make twice as much as a doctor.

Really, Cuba isn't as bad as America makes it seem.

Sure 20 years ago they were a lot closer to the soviets, and allowed military and weapons to be stored there pointed at America, but all of that has changed now.

Still the U.S. feels so insecure about the possibility of attack launched from Cuba, that they keep the propaganda flowing.

I can't say I blame them, just don't believe everything the U.S. says about Cuba. It is a wonderful place to visit.
 
Caleb-Dain Matton
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

First of all I would suggest you start a new thread.

And second, why not start from the beginning? You know, when Castro made sure a single "enemy" wasn't left alive before he became Cuba's leader.

Or you can start with Batista and his oppressive regime.

We can work on the good stuff Castro has done as we go along.

That's fine, but provide your sources. Blogs and Fox News don't count. Start with providing one for your statement that Castro made sure a single enemy wasn't left alive. Then becasue you asked me about benevolent Castro share your comments on Operation Miracle and the fact that Cuba has more doctors abraod than any other country, or do you like to digress and spin your way out of the discussion.

Stick to the topic. You wanted to start on benevolent Castro, so I gave two examples. Refute it.
 
Toro
#17
Strategic Forecasting had an article about the periodic purging of Castro's enemies, particularly about how Raul Castro is the one who generally carries out the purges, and how Cuba would become more oppressive if Fidel died.

I'd post it, but its a paid copyright site and I don't think Andem wants paid, copyright material here.
 
cortex
#18
Sometimes a dictatorship is preferred to a hypocrasy cleverly clothed as a democrasy- que viva cuba !
 
Toro
#19
Welcome back Cortez!
 
cortex
#20
Who is Cortez.
 
Toro
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by cortex

Who is Cortez.

My favourite Leftie.
 
Finder
#22
I'm not a fan of Castro, but I'm also not a fan of Bush so *shrugs* Though I've always thought the Cuban revolution was rightful, if not misguided at the end with the Americans pushing Castro to the soviets and then Castro pretty much eliminating Che Constructively.

Anyhow my view on Cuba is much like China.

The Communist party before or after Castro is gone has to see that the good old days are over and become apart of the democratic process. Firstly split the party into at least two factions or even three, a socialist faction with closer ties to the old party, a social democratic faction of the centre left which is willing to make liberal economic and democratic reforms slowly and possibly a liberal or conservative faction with a heavy reliance on ppl who were not in the communist party. figure out a power sharing formula untill elections can be held and aggreed on what type of elections you will have, who has what powers and so on and so forth.

and well in the end have those elections.


Thats the only way you can have a non-violant transition of power and it benifits almost everyone including, soft marxist socialists which are in the party. The only people who may have the problem with it might be Stalinists and some party burocrats who would lose their job with any type of reform, economic or political.




Castro himself worries about socialism dieing in Cuba once he dies, and really orthadox marxism has been dead for a long time and is already dead even now in Cuba. The only way to hope for it to have any success in a post Castro Cuba is to be apart of the solution and not the problem.



Currently the best working concept of what I have said is the Mongolian government during the late 80's to the present time, used this way of change. Currently the former communist party their has enjoyed much democratic success and has embrassed economic realitties and have forsaken those of Marxism for a moderate social democracy or Liberal democracy has some would say.
 
Finder
#23
 
cortex
#24
Fidel-Oh my precious Fidel!
 
Said1
Free Thinker
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by cortex

Fidel-Oh my precious Fidel!

Cortezzz, oh my precious Cortezz.
 
wallyj
#26
Has anyone out there ever been to the real Cuba? I don't mean Varadero or the other tourist areas. I spent 2 weeks im Matanza which is about 40 miles from Varadero. It might as well been 400 miles away. Some people were quite happy,mostly the ones with gov't positions.Most people were miserable and detest Castro.If Cuba is such a socialist paradise then why do hundreds of people risk thier lives every year trying to escape.
 
Finder
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by wallyj

Has anyone out there ever been to the real Cuba? I don't mean Varadero or the other tourist areas. I spent 2 weeks im Matanza which is about 40 miles from Varadero. It might as well been 400 miles away. Some people were quite happy,mostly the ones with gov't positions.Most people were miserable and detest Castro.If Cuba is such a socialist paradise then why do hundreds of people risk thier lives every year trying to escape.

Havana for a month.. Was alright... Pot holes are killers.... and I mean it... you fall down one and nobody... I mean nobody will ever find you again.

I also think the beer there tastes like crap.

Communist party HQ's are guarded by members.. They were not nice to me at all.

The people were great.

Police were nice


Military people were very friendly.

Had one guy bug me for money

one hocker try to get me.. (they be aggressive)

Oh and I prefer the black market taxies compaired to the government approved ones. Black market is 100 times cheaper.
 
Finder
#28
It's far from being a "socialist paradice" but what it was before the revolution was just as bad if not worse. An American British supported dicatatorship!

Hundreds of people leave Cuba for the roads paved with gold in America just for the same reasons people leave protugal, spain, every nation in the world. Because they have bought into the mostly bullshit american dream that almost every american is a millionaire, and if you go there you will get your million. Because capitalism makes everyone rich.

Do I like Castro, no, do I like communism, no, but do I buy all of the american propaganda. Nope. Do i think Cuba needs to become a Democracy, yes. Does the USA have the ability to do this... look at Iraq and Afcan... I don't think they should touch Cuba.
 
I think not
#29
Interesting take on Cuba Finder. Aside from your usual exaggerations you mind explaining to me how Batista was "worse" than Castro. I have yet to here a self-proclaimed leftist backup this claim other than just making the statement.

To my knowledge, Batista was supported by all the labor organizations and even the communist party. Cuba had an economic growth beyond belief. He even implemented minimum wage, something big business was against. And his coup was bloodless, contrary to the benevolent Castro.

So please, do tell.
 
wallyj
#30
I have to clarify my above post.Yes there was some very good people. In fact most were extremely pleasant,when I wrote they were miserable I meant that they were quite unhappy about thier living conditions. They learned to adapt with the intermittent water and electricity. Almost every house had a cistern on the roof that filled when the water was flowing to be used when it wasn't. very few people would speak out against Castro in public. On my first evening there I dined with a Cuban family,we had chicken. When the host left the room my friend told me that chicken was hard to obtain and I should politely decline seconds so one of the kids in the other room would get a treat,a piece of chicken. Yeah,the people are great but thier system really sucks.
 

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