Game of Thrones

Motar
#1
Bible throne references: 172
OT throne references: 119
NT throne references: 53
Revelation throne references: 38 (the most in any book of the Bible)
God's throne references in Revelation: 35

To whom do the other 3 throne references in Revelation belong? What is the Biblical outcome of this "game of thrones"?
 
Motar
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

To whom do the other 3 throne references in Revelation belong?

"The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority." (Revelation 13:2 NIV)

A supernatural player active in the latter days of human history.
 
Ludlow
#3
I don't understand what you're trying to say Ma'am.

I use to get into that prophecy stuff about thirty years or more ago.
 
Motar
#4
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I don't understand what you're trying to say Ma'am. I use to get into that prophecy stuff about thirty years or more ago.

Biblically-speaking, LL, there are just two thrones/kingdoms in the universe and the contest between them drives all human conflict.
 
Ludlow
#5
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Biblically-speaking, LL, there are just two thrones/kingdoms in the universe and the contest between them drives all human conflict.

Oh. Is one good and one bad?

And are they equally powerful?

Not baiting just wanted to understand how you believe on things
 
Motar
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

Oh. Is one good and one bad? And are they equally powerful? Not baiting just wanted to understand how you believe on things

It is a one-sided contest, LL. One throne is as legitimate and supreme as the other is illegitimate and flawed.
 
Ludlow
#7
Okay that's an interesting belief. Thank you. .
 
Motar
#8
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Okay that's an interesting belief. Thank you. .

Illegitimate throne:

"You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." (Isaiah 14:13-14 NIV)

Legitimate throne:

"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!" (Philippians 2:6-8 NIV)
 
Ludlow
#9
Yes that is pretty mainstream. Again, thanks.
 
Motar
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

Yes that is pretty mainstream. Again, thanks.

If given a choice between the two thrones/kingdoms, which would you choose and why, LL?
 
Ludlow
#11
Why do you ask ma;am.
 
Motar
#12
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Why do you ask ma;am.

Just interested in how you view such things : )
 
Ludlow
#13
You asked me, relative to your belief system , which side would I choose. Good or evil. Not sure why a person would ask that type of question.
 
Motar
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

You asked me, relative to your belief system , which side would I choose. Good or evil. Not sure why a person would ask that type of question.

The two-kingdom perspective:

"A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:24-30 NIV)

There is the "lord it over them" kingdom and the "servant" kingdom. Which one appeals to you? Why?
Nothing nefarious : ) Just interested in your point of view.
 
Ludlow
#15
I honestly haven't given it much thought lately Motar. I do view scripture differently but I'm not thinking my views are as interesting as yours. I'm not Christian so it would probably turn into another useless debate . There may not be a label my opinion would fit under. Was just curious as to what you were talking about. Thanks.
 
Motar
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Motar View Post

The two-kingdom perspective:

"A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:24-30 NIV)

There is the "lord it over them" kingdom and the "servant" kingdom. Which one appeals to you? Why?
Nothing nefarious : ) Just interested in your point of view.

Having experienced both kingdoms personally, LL, my preference is for the servant kingdom. Ironically, the ultimate destiny of the "lord it over them" king is to acquiesce to the "servant" King.
 
Ludlow
#17
Luke was an interesting character. The books of Isaiah are interesting as well. There is dispute on Ch. 14 which opens up an interesting study. I've always liked reading about it.
 
Motar
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

Luke was an interesting character. The books of Isaiah are interesting as well. There is dispute on Ch. 14 which opens up an interesting study. I've always liked reading about it.

Luke is an attractive witness, LL. His precision as a scientist is evident. His compassion as a caregiver comes into view. And his unique Gentile perspective engages. I have been escorted to Isaiah's record many times in my Christian experience. I am regularly encouraged and admonished by both the scribe and the Spirit of truth. What dispute do you find?
 
Ludlow
#19
Oh Motar it's easy enough to explore Isaiah Ch. 14 without displaying the differing interpretations in a forum like this. To debate the ideas in here would just be an unnecessary performance. Google is a good tool as I'm sure you know. Yours , as you say, is a Christian experience. Mine is not.
 
Motar
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

Oh Motar it's easy enough to explore Isaiah Ch. 14 without displaying the differing interpretations in a forum like this. To debate the ideas in here would just be an unnecessary performance. Google is a good tool as I'm sure you know. Yours , as you say, is a Christian experience. Mine is not.

I am interested in hearing your thoughts on Isaiah 14, LL.
 
Ludlow
#21
They're not my thoughts Motar. They are thoughts of people who research such things. I will say this much. I'm not a believer in tearing down Christian beliefs. I know I give Selfsame a rough time now and then but he's special. .You have your thoughts about that passage. I see it another way. I'll leave it at that.
 
Motar
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

They're not my thoughts Motar. They are thoughts of people who research such things. I will say this much. I'm not a believer in tearing down Christian beliefs. I know I give Selfsame a rough time now and then but he's special. .You have your thoughts about that passage. I see it another way. I'll leave it at that.

Understand, LL. More on the two thrones:

The two thrones first come into view in the Genesis account of creation. "And/then God said" appears 12 times before the serpent asks, "Did God really say?" (Genesis 3:1 NIV)

The "wars and rumors of wars" (Matthew 24:6; Mark 13:7 NIV) spoken of by Jesus in the gospel accounts stem from the same contest between the two kingdoms of Genesis.

This contest between the two thrones is the basis for all chaos and conflict in the human family.
 

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