Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state

Torch light
I don't think the US likes such separation of any part of Canada or the upset at its borders.
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I don't think the US likes such separation of any part of Canada or the upset at its borders.

That's not unique to the United States. No government likes to see instability on its borders, at least not if it's sane.
Curious Cdn
Bar Silly Sister is at it again - spouting TWISTED WORDS and seeking to put them in MY MOUTH! This is the common tactic of bullies and propaganda cowards!

He must be a LIE-beral.
Bar Sinister
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First time you write something that makes sense.......Bravo!!

If you find what I post makes no sense it doesn't say much for your level of understanding of most issues.
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There is a secret pixelation code in that post, and now that it has been absorbed into your optic nerves and gone straight into your brain, your dna has been selectively altered... you can tell this is true because only if that has actually occurred, will you be able to see the special script embedded in this space - otherwise this area would appear to be blank.

Here is a vision of the poisoned future that LIE-berals want to build for their grossly spoiled civil service Hog allies! Some PIGS truly are more equal than others!

Here is an article illustrating yet again just how utterly poisoned is ALL LIE-beral policy and moral value! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Bill Morneau’s French villa controversy couldn’t have come at a worse time: Editorial 21/39. Toronto Star Editorial Board.

Just when it seemed Finance Minister Bill Morneau couldn’t be any less credible a salesman of Ottawa’s proposed small-business tax reforms, CBC News revealed last week that for two years, whether through inadvertence or something worse, the finance minister effectively kept secret a holding that provides his family significant tax advantages.© Adrian Wyld

(It is amusing that LIE-beral friendly Red Star news people should refer to new LIE-beral taxes as “reform” when they are nothing but a new LIE-beral raid on already over taxed Cdns! Calling the changes ‘reform” falsely suggests some sort of improvement when it clearly is NOT! Only vote buying LIE-berals and their gravy hungry Hog allies will benefit from the changes! AS I have said before I think it is a gross conflict of interest and unacceptable!)

The revelation that Bill Morneau failed to disclose to the federal ethics watchdog one of his private corporations – a company that, in a dreadful bit of optics, owns a villa in the south of France – could not have come at a worse time for the embattled finance minister or his government’s foundering project of tax fairness.

This news surely will not soothe the incorporated professionals who are understandably confused about why they, of all possible targets, have been selected as the first front in the push for tax fairness.

Rather, it feeds the narrative being proffered by federal Conservatives that there is something hypocritical about Morneau going after doctors and farmers rather than, say, large publicly traded companies like Morneau Shepell, the human-resources firm that the minister once ran.

(Something hypocritical about Morneau and LIE-berals? There is the UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR! This French Villa crap is not a one off thing- it is STANDARD LIE-beral policy!)

(Consider the “Shawinigate” scandal and the Adscam scandal that rocked the LIE-beral Jean Chretien govt! Chretien was caught out lying about his connection to a Shawinigan Hotel owner with a criminal past- with Chretien helping to funnel govt loans to the guy- loans he had previously been turned down for by civil service Hogs because of his suspect/ criminal past! But Our Jean saved the day- got the guy his loan but Jean did NOT save any tax payer money! The hotel is struggling and the loan repayment in jeopardy at last report.)

(Chretien also handed out gobs of cash to Shawinigan area furniture makers- supposedly to buy new equipment and create jobs, market new furniture lines and and etc- and NONE of the money was used that way! ALL the money was used to subsidize shipping costs of existing products to send Quebec furniture into Ontar-owe and screw over Ontari-owe manufacturers!)

(And we can look at the vile LIE-beral Human Resources/adscam crap in which THREE BILLION DOLLARS of our tax money disappeared without a trace- although a bunch of LIE-beral bagmen were spotted around the country carrying GOBS OF CASH obtained- somewhere? But a couple of `former` LIE-beral friends went to jail! And the REALLY funny part of the adscam? When Chretien retired and LIE-beral Paul Martin took over, he assured the public the money would be found and he swore that “if any had been taken and used incorrectly- that the LIE-beral party would pay back that money- even if it was as much as one hundred thousand dollars”! Yes- three billion missing and Mr. Dithers is talking about MAYBE paying less than one percent of the LIE-beral THEFT!)

(And LIE-beral Martin does Not have clean hands himself! As finance minister under Chretien- Martin re-wrote a number of tax laws to hit Cdn corporations hard if they decided to bail out of Canada as it slid into recession. And Martin left enough loopholes in his own laws to let him move his Canada Steamship Line holdings worth hundreds of millions of dollars out of Canada WITHOUT the bother of paying any taxes- the ones lesser mortals MUST PAY!)

(And we have the fine example of more LIE-beral virtue as displayed by the Ontari-owe Wynne-bag govt! Wynne-bag is to be congratulated- its not every day that a large majority of Cdns publicly state you are running the most shamelessly corrupt govt EVER! With FIVE police investigations running simultaneously!)

(And what of Our idiot Boy Justin? That silver spoon socialist who daily escapes the fate of Pinocchio! Our idiot Boy tells all manner of fibs and yet his nose does not grow! The idiot has lied about his holiday at the private island of Aga Khan. Then lied about the cost. Then lied about lying about the cost. And now he is caught yet again and must spin a NEW web of lies about his Aga adventure!)

(Our idiot Boy seems to think that truth is detrimental to democratic govt since he employs it so seldom! He promised to “save the middle class” and hit them with new taxes and fees. Promised to “reduce small business taxes” and instead `froze` those taxes and then de-listed a whole series of business tax deductions. Promised to give cities cash to improve transit- and has only supplied a dribble of money for basic repairs. Promised a grand new overture to natives with the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women Inquiry- and turned it into a flop! Promised to be environmentally sensitive- and even David Suzuki has publicly lamented the TOTAL LACK of LIE-beral action! LIE-berals talk so bravely about being more kind and gentle than other politicians and then turn around and demand that poor retail workers pay taxes on that bargain bag of hot dogs made with mystery meat and yummy chemical Nitrites and a host of not good for you preservatives- as if it is workers fault that its all they can afford after paying all their taxes! And all the time Morneau was HIDING his tax free villa! And one has to wonder what other crap LIE-berals are hiding? Even as THEIR LIST of entitlements grows ever larger and as our national debt soars!)

In an attempt to get the largely sensible package of reforms back on track, Morneau is expected to announce a number of needed tweaks on Monday. But whatever good this does will no doubt be undermined in part by stories of the minister’s undisclosed company, its villa in Provence and the inheritance tax benefits they provide. As ever with this debacle, Morneau has made his important job much harder than it needed to be.

(Largely sensible? HAHAHA!!! LIE-berals are killing off small businesses with their greed! It is small business that creates most of the jobs in Canada! It is small business that takes the most risks to create and market new products! Small biz gets the least amount of govt grants compared to major corporations who threaten to leave Canada unless they get gobs of cash from govt! Bombardier has picked up over a BILLION DOLLARS IN GRANTS and the most notable thing they have done with that cash is give their senior people some spectacular bonuses! What a bargain! Especially since Bombardier seems so busy sucking up govt money that they have missed three separate deadlines for producing desperately needed new streetcars for Toronto! With a LIE-beral judge telling angry TTC chiefs that “NO, you cannot cancel the Bombardier contract and buy streetcars someplace else- you have to stay with Bombardier”! A cynic will ask: “Is this judicial choice based on law or on a need to cover LIE-beral backsides”?)

But the implications of this revelation go beyond the fate of the current package of reforms. Whether this was an ethical lapse or a more mundane oversight, whether Morneau sought to dodge his obligations or he simply holds so many companies that he’s unable to remember them all, this story feeds the lingering sense that this government is increasingly out of touch with ordinary Canadians.

(One mistake is just that- a mistake written off to being forgetful- but a whole series of “forgetful” issues is NOT a mistake- it has become a dedicated LIE-beral way of doing business in a fashion that ordinary Cdns think is dangerously corrupt!)

As trust in government declines, so, too, does tolerance for anything that looks like entitlement or corruption. The public trust depends not only on integrity, but also on the appearance of integrity. This is particularly important at a moment when, by necessity, the government is looking to close unfair and ineffective tax loopholes and thus ask certain people to pay more. Yet the Trudeau government has been consistently careless on such matters. In the best case, Morneau’s failure to disclose is another example of this.

(Unfair tax loopholes? The ones CREATED BY LIE-berals? The `loopholes` would not need closing if LIE-berals were not quite so desperate to BUY civil service Hog votes-their only loyal supporters- according to The Fraser Institute! LIE-berals are so desperate to cling to power at any price they are willing to bankrupt the country with their efforts to satisfy ENDLESS HOG GREED! It is madness that must not continue- for the sake of future generations already burdened with huge govt debts- before they are even born!)

Perhaps, when you’ve travelled in powerful circles for much of your life, as both Morneau and the prime minister have, surrounded by players and influencers, it becomes hard to see how such lapses are perceived by people outside the bubble.

(OR perhaps they have decided they are ENTITLED to do as they please because they are “anointed” and supreme beings - as described by Professor Thomas Sowell- and can ignore the whining, petty peasants?)

Perhaps that’s also why Trudeau failed to grasp the optics of taking a government jet to the Aga Khan’s private island for a family holiday last winter. Or why the government was so slow to realize that its cash-for-access fundraisers created the damaging appearance of privileged access.

(The LIE-beral cash for access crap is nothing but a retread of the Pierre Trudope economic policy of dealing with large corporations instead of small business! Get a few corporate CEO`s in the room and you can bribe them to see things your way. But get small business owners into the room and you have a mob with frequently competing needs and desires- its much harder to herd small business owners than large corporations as the Trudope family knows! Besides, large corps are quite often unionized and that extra layer of financial influence- go along with union policy or get fired- makes for even more control of large corps! It means that union heads and CEO`s are easily herded into LIE-beral corrals against the benefit of ordinary people- but LIE-berals do not care- just so long as they cling to power!)

This insensitivity is not simply a political problem. The resurrection of old questions about Liberal entitlement is dangerous not only for the party, but also for the country. For the essential project of tax reform to succeed, and indeed for government to be a force for good, Ottawa must seem to be worthy of the public trust.

(Tax “reform” would not be such a critical priority if we had not been spent into bankruptcy by LIE-beral/Hog greed! Bankruptcy is poisonous and iut makes people crazy when the money runs out-as it HAS for Cdns!)

When, on the other hand, more and more ordinary citizens come to feel their elected officials are out of touch with their concerns, tax reform is all but doomed, democracy is corroded and, as we have been reminded in recent years, demagoguery is nourished.

As Morneau fumbles, the stakes are truly high.
Who controls the Northwest Passage? It's up for debate.
By Carolyn Beeler
September 04, 2017

The voyage tapped into long-held concerns about the US encroaching on Canadian territory in the Arctic.

“Historically, Canadians are hyperallergic to living alongside the US, a country 10 times our size,” said Derek Burney, a longtime Canadian diplomat and government official. “There’s always been a lot of tension about the borders up into the Arctic.”

“We even had planes flying over [the icebreaker], dropping Canadian flags on it, just to make a statement,” Burney said.

This dispute was such a big deal that more than a year later, in 1987, the Northwest Passage was on the agenda when US President Ronald Reagan and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney met in Ottawa.

It was a meeting between friends. Both leaders had Irish heritage and traded Irish jokes before every meeting. That personal connection was key to solving the territorial dispute, according to Burney, who was Mulroney’s chief of staff at the time.

In a meeting between the leaders at the prime minister’s Ottawa office, Mulroney pointed to the Northwest Passage on an antique globe.

“On that globe, the Northwest Passage looked more like the St. Lawrence River,” said Burney, referencing a river that’s considerably smaller than the various routes of the Northwest Passage and clearly contained within Canada’s borders.

According to Burney, Mulroney pointed to the waterway in the distorted depiction and made his pitch: “The Prime Minister was pointing to it ... and said, ‘Now look, Ron, this goes right through the heart of Canada. It’s frozen 90 percent of the year, people live on it. So, how on earth can your Navy call this high seas?’” Burney recalls.

“And the president looked at the globe, and I can still see the quizzical look on his face, and he said, ‘Well Brian, it’s not like the map they showed me on Air Force One.’”

But Mulroney was a friend, and later that day, Reagan told him he wanted to address the territorial dispute over the Northwest Passage.

Derek Burney was assigned to negotiate for the Canadians. After months of meetings in Ottawa and Washington, he and his American counterpart had a breakthrough.

“If we were living side by side as neighbors,” Burney said, “if I wanted to cut across your lawn, you wouldn’t mind letting me do that provided I ask you up front, right? And we both agreed that was the kernel of a solution.”

Neither side changed their legal position. But in 1988, the two countries agreed that the US would always ask permission before sending icebreakers through the Northwest Passage. And the Canadians would always give it.
(PDF Document)
in a real sense the NW passage is controlled by whoever controls it.
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in a real sense the NW passage is controlled by whoever controls it.

OH!!! It is controlled by Controllers! Wow! Hoid you said some real funny nonsense!!!!

Reality is that much of the Beaufort Sea and Greenland Strait are INTERNATIONAL WATERS! With overlapping territorial claims from Denmark, Canada, United States and Russia.

But the KEY part of the Northwest passage runs through a series of Cdn islands at the North West side of Hudson`s Bay- with the channel being less than 20 miles wide- clearly NOT national waters so Canada would be entitled to block entry of foreign vessels that do not meet Cdn safety regulations- such as oil tankers requiring double hulls to limit spills and etc.

WE would be supported in this view by Danes- assuming we can do a deal with them over their territorial demands! And we might count on Russian help -if Our idiot Boy -the budding Commie style dictator Justin sucks up to them enough!

And strange to say we MIGHT get help from China as well! About 6 years ago- China did something that Cdns have yet to do- they launched a class one icebreaker capable of travelling all the way to North Pole and back without aid!

So WHY would China- with not a yard of Arctic coastline launch such a ship? The Chinese admiral to whose fleet the icebreaker is assigned gives us a STRONG HINT: He points out that China has 20 percent of the worlds population and is ENTITLED to 20 percent of the worlds resources!

Want to bet the Chinese think to find a good supply of their "entitlements" in a certain frozen northern land?

As Canada would be at the key point of any Arctic disaster and subsequent rescue operation or cleanup we are entitled to specify what ships operate in local waters- the devil in the details being WHERE the local waters begin and end!

Of course Yankee and Russian nuclear subs routinely play hide and seek under the Arctic ice- with NO interference or restrictions from Canada- which LIMITS our influence in what goes on up there!

This IS a GOOD JUSTIFICATION for LIE-beral CHRETIEN to have bought those 4 Brit diesel electric subs- so that RCN will have the ability to more carefully monitor activity around the shrinking ice pack!

Its just too bad that Chretien screwed around so long over the deal that the subs developed a LOT of costly rot and that LIE-berals do not see our military as useful for anything so it suffers badly from wear and tear and NEGLECT!

Our idiot Boy Justin is so busy thumbing his nose at Yankees that he sees no other threats!
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Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state

U.S. forecaster Peter Zeihan, a former geopolitical analyst with the security firm Stratfor, has spent his career trying to predict the future of tumultuous states — recently, he’s turned his gaze to North America. Now, his latest book, The Accidental Superpower, takes a bleak look at the direction of the world in general. Among his speculations, the future of Alberta in Canada. He spoke to the Post‘s Jen Gerson.

Q Tell me about your book as a whole?

A The global system as we understand it is highly artificial. The United States created it after the Second World War to fight the Cold War. We introduced this concept of free trade that allowed anyone we were friendly with to trade with anyone else we were friendly with — the U.S. guaranteed the security of the oceans, it would open its markets, it would patrol the Middle East and make sure energy could get to where it needed to go. Before, you had competing empires fighting for resources and markets. The American system expanded peace and prosperity throughout the world in a way the human race had never experienced before. But we did it to contain the Soviet Union. Since the Cold War ended, the U.S. has been withdrawing from that system.

Q Why?

A Two big things. The first is shale oil — the U.S. will be energy independent by the end of 2016. Shale is severing the strongest link between us in North America and the rest of the world. The Middle East is becoming someone else’s problem.

The second piece is demographics. The percentage of Americans who are baby boomers is smaller than the equivalent cohort elsewhere. Every other country (except New Zealand) has a much larger population hitting mass retirement, and you’ve got all the financial problems that come with that.

Q Amid this interesting geopolitical shift, you devote a chapter to Alberta’s possible secession.

A Canada’s demographic situation is similar to the rest of the developed world — a large population moving toward retirement and hardly any young people in the replacement generation coming up.

However, Alberta does not fit that mould. It is the youngest province, and is becoming younger, better paid and more highly skilled as the rest of Canada becomes older and less skilled, and a ward of the state financially.

The other piece is, of course, energy. British Columbia has been hostile to Alberta’s efforts to diversity oil exports and the Atlantic is more than 2,000 miles away.

But really, it comes down to demographics. Right now, every man, woman and child in Alberta pay $6,000 more into the national budget than they get back. Alberta is the only province that is a net contributor to that budget — by 2020, the number will exceed $20,000 per person, $40,000 per taxpayer. That will be the greatest wealth transfer in per capita terms in the Western world. The only other place we see things like that is in Saudi Arabia, where the oil-producing regions subsidize the rest of the country.

Q Secession has been a dirty political word in Alberta for several years, with politicians rumoured to be secret secessionists. That talk died down when the Harper Conservatives were elected — when a group of people who came out of the Alberta mould assumed power.

A On Stephen Harper’s watch, Alberta’s tax bill has basically tripled. This is going on while you have a federal government that is pro-Alberta.

From my point of view, it doesn’t matter if it’s this government, the next government, or the one after. The demographic trends are locked in. If you get a government in Ottawa that isn’t Conservative, isn’t born, bred, raised and trained in Alberta, what do you think they’re going to be doing to the tax policies?

Q So this is a conversation about secession to the U.S.?

A Alberta as an independent country doesn’t solve a huge number of problems. If it left Canada, its currency goes through the roof because all it has is oil exports, and that would drive agriculture out of business. It would be a one-horse economy in a very short time.

Seceding to the U.S. becomes the only political and economic option. If you do that, the inflation issue goes away, the tax problem goes away, the security problem goes away. Alberta gets everything it says it wants out of Canada within the first year of joining the U.S.

Seceding to the U.S. becomes the only political and economic option
Q Do you think the Americans would have us?

A Americans have a reputation for being ignorant and short-sighted, but I would be stunned if there was a single person in Congress who would think this a bad idea. If you bring Alberta into the country, the U.S. becomes technically energy independent overnight. I would expect ratification of the expansion to sail through Congress in a matter of hours.

Q In Alberta, the numbers and logic might make sense, but politically and culturally it still seems to be a huge stretch to think Albertans would seriously consider this.

A I’m a forecaster. My job is to look at the trends of how the world works. Comfort makes people a little more passive and Canada is a comfortable place. Because secession is legal, Albertans are going to have to think about this — that doesn’t mean they will seriously consider it. But a $40,000 per taxpayer bill every year, that’s a bit of a motivator.

source: Why leaving Canada makes sense for Alberta, and U.S. would likely welcome a new state | National Post


This is now even a bigger question now that Canada has a leader that has made it clear he does not like Alberta.

FreeAlberta.com: For An Independent Alberta

Like father, like son: Kenney says Justin Trudeau’s ‘arrogant anti-Alberta attitude’ is as bad as Pierre Trudeau’s | National Post

No way does it make sense forAlberta to attempt to separate; it has no direct access to the ocean. The U.S wouldn't take it anyway. It doesn't need or want Alberta oil. All Alberta can & should do is copy PQ & become a huge pain in the a$$ to Ottawa. Quebec has already written the textbook for them.
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No way does it make sense forAlberta to attempt to separate; it has no direct access to the ocean. The U.S wouldn't take it anyway. It doesn't need or want Alberta oil. All Alberta can & should do is copy PQ & become a huge pain in the a$$ to Ottawa. Quebec has already written the textbook for them.


The whole "Reform Party" thing was a great idea for the West, except they wanted to be more mainstream which is how they got in and took over the PC, they erroneously thought the rest of Canada would agree with their policies...
amazing how consistent things are here.

every time the liberals win an election there's a thread about Alberta separating.
When western Canada is under attack by US interests and the PM is involved is there any wonder why?
Groovin' on oil is a short term buzz.
Death to oil as that's what it does to the human race.
Leave Canada, you'l be sorry if it can be done.
Ask Greta.
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When western Canada is under attack by US interests and the PM is involved is there any wonder why?

Well you can see who the westhaters have running their lil sh!tshow.

Billionaires George Soros, Stanley Druckenmiller throw weight behind oil rally

Some of the most recognized billionaires in money management are getting in on the oil recovery, with analysts predicting sustained higher prices for years

The global energy industry is extending a recovery from the worst crude crash in a generation, with benchmark U.S. oil prices touching a more-than three-year high in July. The revival kicked off in the shale fields of North America last year, and is now spreading outside the U.S. and Canada.

...You just make sure the trains are running and the camps are ready...then when all the people are all gone you Quebecers can move into the virgin land and...Trust me, I've done this before! You Quebs deserve a country of your own! All you need to do is find ONE french name on a map and you can put all the natives on reserves and claim you were there first and so it's all yours now.


...and there is cannuck, thinkin' we can't see the strings on his hands and feet.

George Soros Open Society Foundation is working with the Trudeau government on refugee sponsorship

Israel will not accept any Syrian refugees on its territory: defense minister

Record number of refugees admitted to Canada in 2016, highest since 1980
( The 80's is when the US & Israel first started trying to overthrow Assad. FFS)

In Alliance with Al-Qaida, Israel Is Stealing Syria’s Oil

How Islamist rebels engineered Israel’s oil grab in Syria

Israel’s ambitions to conquer the Golan Heights and western hopes to topple Assad raise questions around the discovery of oil in the Golan

Why Trump’s recognition of the Golan Heights as Israeli territory matters

Responding to pressure from the Israeli government, President Donald Trump has signaled via Twitter that his administration is poised to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights.
( hey scheckles sheldon has spoken!)

IDF chief finally acknowledges that Israel supplied weapons to Syrian rebels
In interview with UK’s Sunday Times, outgoing army commander Gadi Eisenkot says Israel gave opposition groups light arms ‘for self-defense’
(How ya doin sleeperz? Still tyin up those shoes?)

US to send 'mechanised forces' to Syrian oilfields
Defence secretary says redeployment is ‘reinforcing our position’ in the country

The pic is from the above link, if any of you are wondering WTF just happened to Canada's housing and why we CURRENTLY have SO MANY HOMELESS CANADIANS.
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Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Groovin' on oil is a short term buzz.
Death to oil as that's what it does to the human race.
Leave Canada, you'l be sorry if it can be done.
Ask Greta.

Easy on the meth(od) dooood!

Look what it did to cannuckyhehehehehe.....
Last edited by Danbones; Oct 26th, 2019 at 06:45 AM..
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

amazing how consistent things are here.

every time the liberals win an election there's a thread about Alberta separating.

Oh hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The LIE-beral FEAR OF the West is LAUGHABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every time there is a LIE-beral minority govt................................

LIE-berls DESPERATELY PRAY that Alberta will SECEDE and GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals WANT RID OF Alberta.............................

because they fear the Cdn revolution that will UPROOT ALL LIE-beral values..................................

WILL BEGIN IN ALBERTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Easy on the meth(od) dooood!

Look what it did to cannuckyhehehehehe.....

"Cannucky" was likely f**ked right from birth!
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Cannuck giggling like a little girl..

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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

"Cannucky" was likely f**ked right from birth!

No likely about it.. he was a glue sniff in grade 4..
He should be in Ottawa, or Quebec working for SNC.
I don't have an issue with AB being the Province to call Ottawa and Ontario and Quebec and BC to some form of international court where their many, many crimes are made known to the Canadian public and they decide what should be Canada and what should not be. If AB went Provincial then all Provinces would go the same way and act like a mini-EU, only fewer wars and better efficiency.
I also think there should be a northern Canada and southern Canada where the south already has what they need and the north needs to start from scratch so the international community could help with that by doing in 10 years what Ottawa and the rest of the south have found impossible to do in the last 70 years, . . . and counting.
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No likely about it.. he was a glue sniff in grade 4..

Is that when he first started his perpetual whining...……………."poor me, the seniors have stolen my (and my grandkid's) future"
Sounds like a little girl that is in the news doesn't it?
When did you pick up on that fact, 2025?? You toads are unaware there is anything to even 'cry a river about', there is and with good reason, our generation are the biggest liars and thieves in the history of mankind.
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Sounds like a little girl that is in the news doesn't it?

Yep, before he starts dishing out crap about other people, he has to learn how to handle the truth about himself!
Alberta fails to diversify its boom and bust economy, blows its Heritage fund and it is all Canada's fault. Talk about whiny little bitches. Grow TF up.
It is diversified. I bet it has something to do with Rockefellers funding environmentalists to land lock Canadian oil.

They got you hook line and sphincter.

It was never about the environment.

“From the very beginning, the campaign strategy was to land-lock the tar sands so their crude could not reach the international market where it could fetch a high price per barrel,” boasts Michael Marx, the executive director of Corporate Ethics.
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blows its Heritage fund and it is all Canada's fault. .

I don't see anybody blaming anybody but Albertan Politicians for the golf courses that fund was raped for.

Every National Park needs and 18 hole course, private course that is.
I would have to go with Canada being to blame for Alberta getting the lowest royalty rates in the world though. A few bribes for the crooks in the east is better and cheaper for 'big oil' than lower gas prices at the pumps in AB.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Alberta fails to diversify its boom and bust economy, blows its Heritage fund and it is all Canada's fault. Talk about whiny little bitches. Grow TF up.

No , forestry in Alberta , those oil wells aren’t situated on ranches, and their is certainly no high tech in Calgary . Tourism has all but died . Certainly the only industry in Alberta is oil and gas .
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

It was never about the environment.

“From the very beginning, the campaign strategy was to land-lock the tar sands so their crude could not reach the international market where it could fetch a high price per barrel,” boasts Michael Marx, the executive director of Corporate Ethics.

That doesn't explain why our only customer is the US or why our only international 'friends' are the NATO members who are the most warlike on the whole globe.
The US isn't calling the shots so why pretend they are unless you are intent on keeping the (many) lies as much of a secret as possible. Why is there no independent R&D for the tarsands material in it's natural state?? The R&D that went into the place got what it wanted and in a volume that met it's demands of NATO. More production and sale on the open market would be treated as 'treason' as it removed an 'unfair advantage' used by the thugs of the world, the Rothschild capitalist system in it's entirety.
The 'clean air' movement is meant to curtail 3rd world countries from being able to develop themselves at wholesale prices with next to nothing as far as pollution. The same bankers want them to pay 10x that amount using bogus claims. If the world is fukked 'they' did it so send them the whole bill which would be $990T, cash plus taxes. They bailed on the guidelines put in place and the 'cleanup' left behind is worth a few $100B so don't expect bad habits to cure themselves.

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