Canada-China Crisis


Hoid
#151
Do you think you can simply import or export international goods?

are you that clueless?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#152
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Do you think you can simply import or export international goods?

are you that clueless?

You mean it is easier to trade with the U.S.A. Than the rest of the world ? But we must diversify.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#153
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Time for Beijing to take another Canadian hostage, eh?

It's worked so well for them, so far.


DEPORT Red China agitators from Canada NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!







As most people know- Canada has been rather badly bullied by RED CHINA in recent months - as the Beijing Butchers defy United Nations sanctions and continue to do dirty deals with the nuclear nutbars in Iran - the ones who want to start a NUCLEAR WAR with Israel - to the detriment of the ENTIRE PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody who thinks we are having SERIOUS CLIMATE ISSUES NOW - should do a little light reading on what would happen to the global environment if 15- 20 nuclear weapons were detonated in the space of a few hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So we can rather safely say that sucking up to Tehran IS A BAD IDEA that will RUIN YOUR HEALTH - if Tehran gest its wish as millions of people will die from breathing in the irradiated dust of incinerated nuclear victims - with the added problem of being STARVED by massive crop failures as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And in recent news- Beijing has told Canada “TO BUTT OUT” after Our idiot Boy Justin said a few nice things about the protestors in Hong Kong who are frantically trying to save a few of their western style civil rights - while under growing threat of another Tiananmen style Massacre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And in the latest news - demonstrators in Toronto scuffled and had to be separated by cops - with some supporting Beijing Butchers and others supporting the Hong Kong protestors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cdn news media tells us that most of the Beijing Butcher supporters are STUDENTS who are here on visas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So in response to all the Beijing bullying - here is what we could do - IDENTIFY some of the leaders of the pro Beijing support group - AND ROUND THEM UP AND DEPORT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IN HELL should we be spending money on cops to PROTECT BEIJING BUTCHER SUPPORTERS from people who are merely trying to salvage SOME of the civil rights that WE TAKE FOR GRANTED????????????????????

Besides which- we would ONLY be taking a leaf from the Beijing play book!!!!!!!

Beijing views protests of any sort with DISTAST so how could they complain if we DEPORTED PROTESTORS?????????????????????????????????

It is costing us money to suck up to China - while they kidnap our people and insult our intelligence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lest show a little spine and ship home some Chinese anti democracy protestors!!!!

And since we are making flight plans for VILE RED CHINESE citizens anyway - lets ship Huawei chieg Meng out to Washington!! She has been here under genteel house arrest far to long as it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#154
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Do you think you can simply import or export international goods?

are you that clueless?




Poor FOOLISH hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Goods are ROUTINELY imported or exported!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


You select what you want to order........................................


and you pays your money............................................. .


and they ship you the crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Isnt that simple???????????????????????????


Buy or do not buy..........................................


Maybe Yoda could explain it to you?????????????????????
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+2
#155
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The problem we have with China is China's ability to kneecap our only major trading partner - the USA

LOL he says as the internal economy of China melts down and global cooling puts them right on the edge of millions freezing AND starving.

Acc to estimates by World Bank, China gdp was approx 11% of US in 1960 but in 2017 it is 63%.
http://statisticstimes.com/economy/u...na-economy.php

Ummm they are still just little guys whose internal economy is on the edge due to corruption and zombie companies and debts which the state has to support.
Last edited by Danbones; Aug 30th, 2019 at 04:45 AM..
 
spilledthebeer
#156
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Do you think you can simply import or export international goods?

are you that clueless?




POOR STUPID hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Just WHAT WOULD STOP people from importing or exporting................................


international goods???????????????????????????


From past work experience I CAN ASSURE YOU.................................


that Cdn LIE-berals do not oppose import/export!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are SO SLOPPY, they allow furniture stores .......................................


to bring in shipments of furniture,



housewares,



clothing,



art work of many kinds,



and all manner of goods........................................


WITHOUT ANY IMPORT DUTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


NO MATTER whether it is currently legal to charge duties or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The importer merely labels the shipments as PERSONAL EFFECTS..................................


and its good to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A little LIE for the gullible LIE-berals.............................


and a LOT OF TAX SAVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Because immigrants are entitled to bring their personal property with them to Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And they are entitled to SELL that property later if it suits them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And they are entitled to receive "gifts" from relatives back home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Its just TOO BAD about western manufacturers who get screwed by the tax cheats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or we could discuss the women buyer I knew.............................................


who works for a clothing store.................................


and she is at a party and meets up with guy who imports a range of clothing................................


so she asks about prices and brands and etc............................................... .............


and MOST IMPORTANTLY....................................... ...


SHE ASKS ABOUT SALES RECEIPTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


And the guy tells her this:



"The quality of the goods depends on YOUR PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning do you want cheap FAKES????????????????????????


or the real thing??????????????????????????????


Do you want the LOW COST CASH DEAL......................................


and NO PAPERWORK????????????????????????????


Or do you want high cost and honest paperwork??????????????????????????????????????


This is the Cdn biz reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!


Or we could mention the employees of a major construction company..............................


that work one day a week FOR CASH UNDER THE TABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals have turned us all into a pack of LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


As we struggle to survive the debilitating effects of the LIE-beral GRAVY train!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#157
Quote: Originally Posted by NatashaCoga View Post

already solve about this.




IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why is the trade war STILL ON????????????????????????????


Explain why RED China is cooperating with Iranian nuclear nutbars.............................


to start a nuclear war with Israel??????????????????????


Explain how Red China aid to Tehran MAY BACKFIRE.....................................


onto Beijing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


China has a Muslim Minority within its borders...................................


and the Beijing Butchers are treating them HARSHLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


So what are the odds that some day an Iranian Ayatollah......................................... ..


might chose to GIVE a small tactical nuclear weapon .......................................


to Chinese Muslims and let them level Beijing?????????????????????


Ad what are the odds that Tehran might hand out a second nuclear device........................


so that Muslim terrorists can level Detroit?????????????????????


Or maybe the Muslims could blow up Berlin.............................


OR TORONTO.......................................



as an object lesson for the West!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After all - NEITHER Toronto nor Berlin HAS nuclear weapons and thus cannot really respond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Berlin at least has the capacity to send some bombers to Tehran to strike back...............................


but LIE-beral Toronto is COMPLETELY IMPOTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!



And would United States or Britain or France get into a nuclear war.............................


with the TEHRAN TURNIPS???????????????????????????????????


Over the destruction of either Toronto or Berlin????????????????????



It seems unlikely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Obviously it will be MUCH BETTER...................................


to take whatever steps are NECESSARY......................................... ...


to ensure the Tehran LUNATICS do not get any nuclear weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Therefor the RED China security issues.....................................


ARE NOT RESOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AS Red China continues to defiantly aid the Muslim radicals



And the trade war MUST GO ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!


Those who disagree are either: useful idiots who dont know what they are doing........................................


or Red China agents spreading PROPAGANDA......................................


or Muslim Radicals who see nothing wrong with provoking a nuclear war and letting God separate the dead into piles of Saints and Sinners...........................................


or they are Cdn LIE-berals whose lust for power and gravy and PURCHASED VOTES is so huge that they can calmly and actively


WORK AGAINST CDN INTERESTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


There is no deed to low for LIE-berals to perform....................................


just so long as it gets them RE-ELECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+3
#158
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Don't see why Justin is being so provocative..........as opposed to intelligently diplomatic.

This tit for tat BS is just childish.

Intelligent diplomacy wouldn't have gotten us into this mess in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwsn3twqwZ0
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#159
UNtruedie has sold all our gold. All Canada is now is a bedroom community for anyone with actual (CROOKED) money.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#160
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Intelligent diplomacy wouldn't have gotten us into this mess in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwsn3twqwZ0

So that's why so many here were trying to claim o'leary was driving that boat...he is telling the truth about something.
 
spilledthebeer
#161
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Intelligent diplomacy wouldn't have gotten us into this mess in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwsn3twqwZ0




TRUE DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Diplomacy HAS NEVER WORKED with Soviet asshats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Beijing Butchers are the MOST CUNNING of Soviets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Red China has flourished when other Soviet nations FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And its not that Beijing Butchers are that much smarter than Our idiot Boy..................................


its just that Our idiot Boy Justin WANTS THE SOVIETS TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !








Here is an article illustrating the HUGE economic mess that LIE-berals have made of international trade. The article illustrates that trade and job issues can not be sorted out by giving control over to a committee made up of LIE-beral loons such as Our idiot Boy Justin and a cabal of third world despots from places like China, Russia and Iran! With some comments of my own in brackets):

GUEST COLUMN: Trump, trade and the China syndrome
Special to Postmedia Network

Published: December 29, 2017. Updated: December 29, 2017 6:00 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists

David T. Jones, Special to Postmedia Network. For centuries there was no question of trade being for “mutual benefit”.

Rather, states sought colonies, essentially for exploitation, to extract useful material from at low prices, while dumping excess industrial products manufactured in the “mother country” at high cost.

Ostensibly, economic theory eventually moved on to “mutual benefit” with the emphasis on “comparative advantage”, wherein each country provides the products it produces most efficiently and a trade balance results.

This theory falters when countries with effectively nothing worthy of trade end up borrowing from those countries who still push products upon them. The resulting debt loads have economy-distorting consequences for both borrowers and lenders.

(Much of our current trade problem is related to credit. In a gold based economy- meaning were your wealth is measured in gold coins and your spending is limited by how many coins you have; and prices are regulated as well since the seller may choose to accept fewer coins- on the grounds that a cheap sale is better than no sale - if you are poor. But all these logica; mechanisms that used to regulate sales and trade are GONE! Swept away in a tide of paper money and easy credit.)

(After WW2, western govts chose to end the “gold standard”- the traditional measurement of wealth- in large part because of all the looting and destruction that occurred during the war- staggering sums of gold and art and all manner of stuff was stolen or lost.)

(Going off that gold standard allowed govt to get things running again while police sifted through various claims for compensation and ownership that are still going on 70 years later- with various art galleries arguing over who owns what. Problem is the gold standard is gone and it has not been replaced with anything logical - there is no longer any real control over trade and deficits. This permits bankrupt Greeks to hide the scale of their bankruptcy. And it allows Chinese and other third world countries to manipulate currency on a grand scale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

One classic approach for a country developing its industry and economy is to put high tariffs on imported goods. Theoretically, once these industries are strong enough to “stand on their own”, the tariffs can be reduced or eliminated.

(And the people of some countries consider it a Patriotic duty to buy only locally made products and such people may face local backlash if they import products their neighbours see as unpatriotic and this unofficial economic policy meddles with trade results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Of course, that approach reduces profits of the now powerful manufacturers, who see no interest in enhancing competition. For a generation following World War II, the U.S. had no real trade competition. It was the global powerhouse for manufacturing efficiency and technological innovation.

U.S. products, particularly automobiles, supported a vast U.S. middle class in which an auto worker could count on a well-paid, lifetime job. The U.S. ran trade surpluses and was the great global lender. Goods imported from other countries were regarded as cheap and shoddy.

But then the U.S. lost its “mojo.” Competitors, most notably Japan, were able to take advantage of new factories, using new technology and cheap labor. They challenged simultaneous U.S. technological failures, high prices, and social arrogance. U.S. cars were suddenly inferior.

The media were besieged with articles and studies suggesting Japan was about to lead the world in everything. Japan obliged this fear by purchasing a wide array of highly visible U.S. properties.

(The reality is that Japan was accumulating a mass of Yankee dollars and needed to do something with this cash- and what better idea than to re-invest that cash in United States - with its stable govt and judicial respect for investors?? Japan took paper money that can and does fluctuate in value- and one has only to look at the vast crap game/floating casino that is the stock market to understand how volatile mere paper is- and turned their dollars into hard assets- such as real estate- which happens to be a product in ever shorter supply and ever increasing value!!!!!!!!!)

U.S. government trade efforts focused on thwarting Japan, and in an ancillary manner Mexico, whose low labor prices were (supposedly) producing a “vast sucking sound,” in Ross Perot’s words, pulling U.S. jobs south of the Rio Grande.

(Yes- that “vast sucking sound” was heard here in Canada as well- with the LIE-beral Chretien govt presiding over a debauched Cdn economy where our dollar hit $63 cents U.S. A combination of low Mexican wages and insane LIE-beral vote buying nearly bankrupted Canada! Only major tax increases by LIE-berals and serious cuts to federal fund transfers to the provinces reversed the flow of red ink!)

(And later, the Conservative govt of Harper held the line on federal wage increases for civil service Hogs! Frugality is a good thing- too bad LIE-berals despise it and must literally have guns put to their heads to make them save a penny! Chretien LIE-berals ran on a promise to kill NAFTA and then chickened out after winning the election- the economic reality of dead NAFTA costs would be too high!!!!!!!)

But while America was focused on Japan and Mexico, China, quietly and efficiently “ate our lunch”.

China now has a massive trade surplus driven by manufacturing efficiency and currency manipulation.

(Yes- that paper money is wonderful stuff- you can make it worth whatever you want- especially in a CLOSED economic system like China where foreigners do NOT get to see the books! Its even easier to manipulate such paper when local Chinese govt gets to decide what products MAY be offered for sale to the local people! This is in sharp contrast to the Cdn experience where our dollar went from that nasty $63 cents over to $1.05 U.S. and took a PILE of jobs away as Cdn goods began to cost to much!)

His country arguably now the factory for the world, Chinese leader Xi Jinping recently announced a “Made in China 2025” policy described as “involving local content requirements and the elimination of foreign suppliers.”

(So xenophobic Chinese are now implementing a “made in China” program that makes the Trump model look open and inclusive! As I mentioned - there are govts out there that “encourage” buying local products by various SHADY means!! And yet Our idiot Boy Justin thinks he can safely destroy NAFTA with his feminist/native rights blather and then make up the economic difference with Chinese business? HAHAHAHAHA!!!)

For the U.S., the past 20 years have seen the loss of two million manufacturing jobs.

(Automation is the real killer of most of these jobs. Robots are increasingly commonplace even in third world pest holes- its all about speed and efficiency and robots don’t get tired or sick or forget details. Reality is there are very few jobs to recover-especially in the automotive business which Trump is mainly focussed on. In addition -thanks to huge competition our vehicles are more reliable and longer lasting than ever before- meaning we buy new ones less often!)

Plus, growing frustration expressed by displaced workers that trade agreements reducing costs for manufacturing imports have cost them their jobs, for which “retraining”, or McJobs, are poor substitutes.

(LIE-berals keep assuring us our economy is “booming” but desperate LIE-berals do NOT want to tell us that the only good full time jobs out there are for govt employees- with the rest of us stuck in those McJobs and struggling financially! Cdn biz is cutting costs by killing good full time work and replacing it with part time and short term crap work. This trend will only increase as LIE-berals bomb business with their electricity price gouging and minimum wage garbage! The ugly truth is we Cdns cannot produce enough gravy to satisfy the civil service Hogs that LIE-berals rely on to keep them in power! It is LIE-beral gravy traded for Hog votes- and SCREW the general public!)

Hence, U.S. President Donald Trump’s urge to eliminate or reject trade agreements such as the Trans Pacific Partnership and call into question agreements such as NAFTA with Canada and Mexico

(Trump has VALID concerns over NAFTA- and he is using NAFTA to push LIE-beral Cdns to get MORE SERIOUS about national security and Muslim terror!! In additiob Trump is using NAFTA to push Mexico to tighten its border!! There is no reason for Mexico to IGNORE thousands of illegals from places like Guatemala and Nicaragua trekking through Mexican territory to literally invade United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(IN addition a tighter border would reduce the amount of drug and gun smuggling that is going on and Mexicans suffer even more from gang violence than Yankees do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Trump’s claim, which resonates massively with voters, if not economists, is that the U.S. has been outsmarted and out-negotiated in these agreements.

(Western govts decided after WW2- that breaking down trade barriers would promote peace as countries that do lots of business are presumed to be unlikely to fight each other. This concept works with Europeans but it clearly does not work with third world nations in Middle East and in Asia! It is China that is happily stirring the pot in blood soaked Darfur/South Sudan as they pursue oil and natural gas contracts. It is Russians and Chinese who happily sell weapons to Iran, North Korea and Syria and it is bankrupt western govts that get to deal with the swarming millions of refugees- many of whom represent national security risks!)

China is a tougher problem, especially since Washington is desperately attempting to induce Beijing to castrate North Korea’s nuclear program.

Perhaps, while it is currently a rudimentary idea, a coordinated U.S./European Union, World Trade Organization action might secure better Chinese adherence to WTO rules.

(IN other words- when Trump called out NATO “slackers” especially including Canada- he was on the right track! A united front - economically AND militarily can achieve better results than a few isolated individuals! And a firm commitment to greater economic cooperation between like minded western countries can balance out influence from dictators and bullies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Too bad Our idiot boy Justin is so bigoted against Yankees he would rather see NAFTA die than agree with Yankees on ANYTHING! Our idiot Boy is deliberately hurting NAFTA by ignoring very real Yankee fears that Cdn national security is so sloppy that Yankees risk importing Muslim terrorists along with their Cdn dairy and softwood lumber!)

(LIE-beral policy is running in circles as usual- they shun trade with the Yankee democracy and seek out trade with Chinese dictators! But what can we expect form Our idiot Boy- who holds his fathers vile values! After all it was Pierre Trudope who heaped fawning praise on Chinese Chairman Mao “for his genius in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows” just so he could cement his power over China!)

Jones is a retired U.S. State Department senior foreign service career officer. A version of this column first appeared in The Epoch Times