That would be debating. I've told you numerous times, I'm not here to debate you. I'm here to be entertained by you. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Because you're the first person I've ever come across on line, that was entertained by someone making them look like an uneducated hack. In multiple threads.
You are in error. I'm entertained by someone who thinks they are making people look like uneducated hacks. If only you were as good as you think you are.
... i thought tears were going to shoot out of your posts the other day.
Whatever gets them to pay it back.
The point is, in a negotiation, if they want out, this is one of the things they'll have to concede to.
I think the bulk of southern Quebec made their choice perfectly clear.
Done, it was almost a unanimous Non!
Nope, they want their own country, they can have it.
Total sovereignty could potentially harm Canada's access to Quebec's market and vice versa.
I honestly don't doubt even Queebc sovereignists themselves concede to that already, as long as it's a fair division.
And in a province-wide election, they'd have a chance to do so again.
And again, in a province-wide election, they'd have a chance to do so again.
As for sharing a common currency, and especially citizenship, it's not about sticking it to the sovereignists but looking out for the people. Remember that those Quebecers with family in Ontario are likely among the most federalist of the bunch. Why hurt families just out of rage. Certainly reason must come before sentimentality and emotionalism.
As for a common currency, separate currencies are essentially a tax of sorts. Let's not kid ourselves that even with NAFTA for example, currency traders and brokers still take a cut in all currency transactions. Do you honestly think that when you use Canadian dollars across the border or vice versa that the company isn't raising the conversion rate to compensate for the inconvenience to them?
the same would apply with Quebec and Canada having separate currencies. Just another hidden tarrif or tax with the broker middle man skimming off the top.
I agree that those who'd voted into federation would likely do so again for the most part. I was just pointing it out as a matter of principle.
As for currencies, sure if Quebec wants to shoot itself and us in the feet and have its own citizenship and currency, by all means go for it. All I'm saying I'd hope Canada would be smart enough to not do them the honours. We should offer them the option of common currency and citizenship if they want it.
And as for countries sharing common currencies and citizenship, that's not unheard of. Take the Eurozone as an example of a shared international currency, and Puerto Rico and the US as an example of two countries sharing a common citizenship.
All we need is some imagination. If Quebec decides to shoot us and them in the feet, well by all means. But for us to shoot ourselves and Quebec in the collective feet would be plain stupid.
And as a matter of principle, Natives in Quebec, don't trust a sovereign Quebec.
And look at the UK, the ones that opted out of the Euro, hows their economy, compared to those that dove in?
The UK's economy has been struggling too. But also bear in mind that other factors are involved here. Just to take one simple example, according to Francois Grin, a Swiss economist, the EU subsidizes the UK economy to the tune of about 17 yo 18 thousand million euros annually through the language teaching industry alone, and also faces the burden of spending much more than the UK on language learning so as to access foreign markets. This gives the Uk a big advantage regardless of currencies. A fairer comparison would be how Eurozone countries have fared prior to and since monetary union, taking various other influencing factors since.
Common sense dictates that money brokers specializing in eurozone currencies lost their jobs, and others likely saw their profits at least drop somewhat (i.e. it cut out the middle man somewhat by eliminating some make work jobs that really produce nothing in the economy but merely feed of currency transactions).
I bet the airline industry saved some money too in eliminating the middleman at least in inter-eurozone transactions.
And why would we care what another country does about its own overhead?
Because it affects ours too. Just to take an example, prior to the euro, any Frenchman going to Germany had to convert his currency to spend in Germany and vice versa. In fact, had he bought to many Deutschmarken and then wanted to buy back some Franks, or heck, even if he'd changed his mind and converted all of his money back, he'd still be left with less owing to the currency trader upselling, which would be fair enough. And even if some shop at the border accepted the neighbouring country's currency, it would certainly upsell it to compensate for the extra inconvenience. They don't do this as a charity you know.
We face all the same problems in trade between Canada and the US right now, and it's mutually harmful to both economies
clearly the same would apply to a Quebec currency. It would be mutually harmful. you seem to believe that somehow Quebec would suffer and we'd be unscathed by such a separation.
I can guarantee both sides would suffer total separation, and that's why it would be in the interests of both parties to try to maintian at least some form of unity even after Quebec sovereignty, even if only as a matter of peronsal interest.
that's irrelevent in this case. Even if the Canadian dollar is stronger, it still doesn't change the fact that a US shop, even if it does accept Canadian dollars, would be accepting them at slightly below their real value.
No, I seem to think I don't care. If they want their own country, they should have it, with all their own infrastructure.
I prefer the tough love way.
Again, totally irrational to be prepared to hurt Canada just so as to hurt Quebec.
Let's take the US-Canada relationship as an example. If the US really wanted to hurt Canada, it could easily do so via a trade war or some other kind of economic war. Canada would certainly suffer, and judging from our population compared to that of the US, possibly even 10 times more than the US would. Yet still, seeing that the US would suffer too, we could defend such an action on the part of the US strictly on emotionalism or sentimantality, a desire to hit us hard even if the US has to suffer too. It would be like the US poking its own eye out so as to poke two of ours out too. Stupid, really, seeing that ordinary Americans would suffer just to satisfy a politicians' blood lust.
The same applies here to Quebec. In any trade or other economic war between Canada and Queebc, certainly Quebec would likely suffer 4 times more than we would based on our population ratios, but it would still be stupid of us to shoot ourselves in the foot just to get at Quebec. Again, here you'd be reacting to pure emotion with little to no analytical thought put into it.