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Has Israel become a Racist State?

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einmensch
#1 Mar 9th, 2009
The rule of fear By Gideon Levy Tags: Netanyahu , Lieberman
As Benjamin Netanyahu ascends to power, his message is the danger of a holocaust at the hands of Iran. Avigdor Lieberman emerges victorious and his message is that Israeli Arabs are a cancer. Never before has a government been established here solely based on sowing fear. Devoid of promise or hope, the government being formed offers only the prophecies of apocalyptic doom on whose waves the right rode to power. Now it's the right's only agenda.

Fear of an external enemy has from time immemorial been the most effective weapon of every right-wing or fascist regime.
The rule of fear - Haaretz - Israel News

It makes sense that Prime Minister Harper and Canada stand firmly with Israel. After all, Israel is a tolerant peace loving country that is only defending itself.

Iran has been threatening to attack Israel for a number of years. Iran has the ability to somwhat defend itself and is already constructing Gas Chambers.


<FONT size=4>“GERMANS PRODUCE ZYKLON B IN IRAQ. Iraq’s German-made gas chamber.”
 
Colpy
Conservative
#2

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 9th, 2009
Racist?

No. Arabs and Jews are the same race...........

I'm not sure what you call it. It is confusing.....the State offers special priviledges to Jews, yet is secular........not racist, but judeo-elitist?

Ah! Zionist! That's it....Israel is a Zionist state. Surprize!

And yes, Iran does want to destroy Israel.....at least the current looney gov't does. They support Hezbollah, who bombs Jewish centres in Argentina, and whose leader once said he hoped all the Jews in the world returned to Israel......so he could kill them all in one place.

And yes, German companies supplied the components that created the chemical weapons Iraq used on Iranians and the Kurds.

Unfortunately, if you're a Jew, Zionism is only good sense.
 
kettyy
#3

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
les israeliens sont des fanatiques pas des racistes

c con we mais c com ca!
 
petros
#4

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Quote:

And yes, Iran does want to destroy Israel.....at least the current looney gov't does.

Can you quote that and what do the Jewish living in Iran think of this?

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No. Arabs and Jews are the same race...........

Called Semites from the tribe of Shem correct?
Quote:

And yes, German companies supplied the components that created the chemical weapons Iraq used on Iranians and the Kurds.

Sold by Rumsfeld to Saddam.

Why leave out the truth?

 
Zzarchov
#5

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Can you quote that and what do the Jewish living in Iran think of this?

How is that relevant?
 
petros
#6

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov View Post

How is that relevant?

Maybe because they are Iranian Jews living where "all Jews are enemies"?
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#7

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Can anyone but a Jew immigrate to Israel? Can anyone but a Jew buy land in Israel?

Of course it's a racist state.
 
Tyr
Free Thinker
#8

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Has Israel become a Racist State?


What do you mean "become". It's always been a racist state. It's a function of self preservation
 
Colpy
Conservative
#9

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyr View Post

Has Israel become a Racist State?


What do you mean "become". It's always been a racist state. It's a function of self preservation

Exactly.
 
einmensch
#10

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Israeli Arabs are a cancer. Jews are not one race, Colpy. They are mongrels that practice a form of Judaism. Just like you are a Baptist. They come in all shades and colours.


Just remember the Holocaust Iran wants another holocaust. (Hate them like you should hate Germans?) This is what Germans did to US Jews during the Holocaust--<FONT size=4> – Fountains of blood gushing from mass graves. This evidence was given by prominent witnesses such as Elie Wiesel and Adolf Eichmann. Adalbert Rückerl, longtime head of the ZStL (Zentralstelle, Central Office) also spread this absurd story, which was dutifully carried along by the Frankfurt Auschwitz Court.
 
petros
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Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
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Just remember the Holocaust Iran wants another holocaust.

Do they? Or has Israel refused peace deal after peace deal which included full rights for Palestinians. How do Gaza and the West Bank differ from a concentration camp?
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#12

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Good grief!

Can a Jew have a conversation without bringing up the holocaust? I don't deny the holocaust happened, but it happened about sixty years ago. Who needs to even talk about it now?

Quote:

"Israeli Arabs are a cancer"

. What do we call those who bulldoze their homes down by the thousands?
 
EagleSmack
#13

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Heavy Equipment Operators?
 
#juan
No Party Affiliation
#14

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Heavy Equipment Operators?

That was funny, In a twisted sort of way....
 
earth_as_one
#15

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Judaism isn't a race, its a religion. Israel is a state where rights are based on your religion. As Juan noted, the state practices religious discrimination openly. But individual Israelis are not their government.

Also can someone explain how gathering all the Jews together in one country which is in a constant state of war with its neighbors makes them safer? Israel's neighbors fear them, but sooner or later Israel will get what they've been giving. That's no way to live.

Jews are far safer in Canada than they are in Israel. They'd be safer in Iran too if it wasn't for the Israeli threat.

The smart ones are leaving:

Quote:

Emigration from Israel exceeds immigration, report

Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa)
04/20/2007

Tel Aviv (dpa) - In Israel, the number of emigrants exceeded the number of immigrants for the first time in 20 years, the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported Friday.

Many emigrants were recent arrivals who wanted to leave Israel again, the report said. In 2007, 14,400 immigrants are expected in Israel while 20,000 people are expected to leave the country, according to the report based on figures for the first months of 2007.
The last time emigration exceeded immigration was in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur War and in 1983 and 1984 when inflation was high.

Meanwhile the Maariv newspaper reported that approximately a quarter of the Israeli population was considering emigration.
Almost half of the country's young people were thinking of leaving the country, the report said. Their reasons included dissatisfaction with the government, the education system, a lack of confidence in the political ruling class and concern over the security situation.

Emigration from Israel exceeds immigration, report

If I was an Israeli Jew, I'd leave. The longterm future is bleak. War, more war, followed by more war. The only way Israel can survive is by committing one atrocity after another. Your children have to serve in a military which commits war crimes and crimes against humanity. I wouldn't want my child to have that experience.

If any Israeli Jews want to come to Canada, I'd say "Welcome to Canada" as long as they leave Israel's problems behind. No religious bigots with superiority complexes would be welcome. Please do come if you want to live in peace with your neighbors as equals.
Last edited by earth_as_one; Mar 10th, 2009 at 04:44 PM..
 
earth_as_one
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Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Is this any way to live?

Quote:

10 Dec. '08: Hebron: Willful abandonment by security forces

Quote:


On 4 December, immediately after the settlement in Hebron’s a-Ras neighborhood (“the House in Dispute”) was evicted, B'Tselem issued a public call to security forces to protect the Palestinian residents of the city, and Palestinians throughout the West Bank, from expected acts of revenge by settlers.

In the weeks that preceded the eviction, settlers attacked Palestinians and damaged Palestinian property daily in Hebron. Although these attacks were extensive and prolonged, Israel’s security forces failed to prevent them. In one of the incidents that B'Tselem documented, on 30 November, about 50 settlers entered a Palestinian neighborhood at 2:00 A.M., accompanied by an army jeep. The settlers threw stones that shattered windowpanes of houses and of some 25 cars, and punctured the tires of the cars. They then threw stones at houses in the neighborhood and shattered windowpanes.

Despite B'Tselem’s warning, and despite the high probability that attacks of this kind would occur, the security forces failed to properly protect the city’s Palestinian residents also after the eviction, when settlers invaded Palestinian neighborhoods in the city, torched houses and cars, threw stones, shattered windowpanes, and damaged solar-heated water tanks, satellite dishes, and water containers.

watch the videos:
B'Tselem - Settler violence - 10 Dec. '08: Hebron: Willful abandonment by security forces

Fighting, burning, vandalizing and shooting... over some crappy house in a crappy neighborhood. Inevitably this place is going to be nuked and the survivors will fight over the radioactive craters.

That's where religious fanaticism leads.

Any Israeli with half a brain should leave. Palestinians should leave too, but they can't. They're more or less screwed. But at least Israel civilians have a choice.

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Zzarchov
#17

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

Can anyone but a Jew immigrate to Israel? Can anyone but a Jew buy land in Israel?

Of course it's a racist state.


Yes to both counts. I know people, personally, who are not Jewish, have no Jewish ancestry and have moved to Israel and become citizens.

Where do you get this crap?

It has the law of return that grants citizenship to jewish persons, it also has the normal methods of immigration that we have here.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#18

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
"Can anyone but a Jew immigrate to Israel? Can anyone but a Jew buy land in Israel?"

Yes

Definition Jew: Religion, not a race.

They are not racist, and you use the word racist to loosely.
 
earth_as_one
#19

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Only 15% of Israeli immigrants are non Jews. Most of these non-Jews are only eligible because they claim Jewish ancestry.
Non-Jewish Immigrants Forcing Israel to Choose Between Being a "Jewish" State and a Democracy
 
Zzarchov
#20

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one View Post

Only 15% of Israeli immigrants are non Jews. Most of these non-Jews are only eligible because they claim Jewish ancestry.
Non-Jewish Immigrants Forcing Israel to Choose Between Being a "Jewish" State and a Democracy


You need to understand the difference between correlation and causation.

Of course most immigrants are Jewish. Why else would you move to a hot desert country surounded by armies of genocidal nutballs throwing bombs at your children and vowing to overrun your front lawn and butcher you and everyone you care about with machetes.

You don't move there for a nice place to settle down and raise the kids, you'd head to Canada instead. The only reason most people WANT to move to Israel is if they are Jewish, otherwise there is nothing so special there that you'd see that as an ideal place to settle down if you have the option.
 
earth_as_one
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Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
I'm afraid you've got it wrong. Most Israelis live in peaceful neighborhoods, isolated from the violence. Unlike their Palestinian neighbors, they are protected and don't have to worry about religious fanatics shooting through their windows or torching their homes. Watch the movies:

http://www.btselem.org/english/Settl...bron_riots.asp

But I would agree that sooner or later, Israelis will be overrun by hostile people, who are pissed off for decades of injustice and oppression. When these people finally get a chance to give what they've been getting, I expect it will be unpleasant for Israeli citizens. Which is why Israeli citizens should leave sooner rathe than later.
 
earth_as_one
#22

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
I'm afraid you've got it wrong. Most Israelis live in peaceful neighborhoods, isolated from the violence. Unlike their Palestinian neighbors, they are protected and don't have to worry about religious fanatics shooting through their windows or torching their homes. Watch the movies:

B'Tselem - Settler violence - 10 Dec. '08: Hebron: Willful abandonment by security forces

But I would agree that sooner or later, Israelis will be overrun by hostile people, who are pissed off for decades of injustice and oppression. When these people finally get a chance to give what they've been getting, I expect it will be unpleasant for Israeli citizens. Which is why Israeli citizens should leave sooner rathe than later.
 
gopher
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+1
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Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
''Arabs and Jews are the same race...........''

We have the discussed the fact that Ashkenazim Jews are not of semitic origin more than enough times as if you didn't know.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
+1
#24

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 10th, 2009
''if you're a Jew, Zionism mkaes good sense''

Then why are so many leaving?




Aliyah sees 9% dip from 2005
By Moti Bassok

Only 19,264 people immigrated to Israel in 2006, down nine percent from 2005. It is the lowest number of immigrants recorded since 1988.

Nearly 3 million people have immigrated to Israel since the country's founding in 1948, roughly one third of which immigrated during the 1990s. Some 300 people immigrated from India in 2006 - a fivefold increase from 2005.

According to the Central Bureau of Statistics, since 2002 - the year in which the major wave of immigration from the former Soviet Union came to an end - there has been a consistent downward trend in immigration. In 2006, immigration was down to 1980s levels, during which time 9,000-24,000 people immigrated annually.

In 2006, only 2.7 people immigrated for every 1,000 veteran residents. In 1990-91, at the height of immigration from the former Soviet Union, that figure stood at an average of 35 per 1,000, and from 1990-2001, it averaged 17 per 1,000. Starting in 2003, that figure fell to below 3.8 per 1,000 - also the rate during 1980-89, the period of lowest immigration in Israel's history.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/828415.html




Emigration from Israel exceeds immigration, report
04/20/2007

Tel Aviv (dpa) - In Israel, the number of emigrants exceeded the number of immigrants for the first time in 20 years, the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported Friday.

Many emigrants were recent arrivals who wanted to leave Israel again, the report said. In 2007, 14,400 immigrants are expected in Israel while 20,000 people are expected to leave the country, according to the report based on figures for the first months of 2007.

The last time emigration exceeded immigration was in the aftermath of the 1973 Yom Kippur War and in 1983 and 1984 when inflation was high.

Meanwhile the Maariv newspaper reported that approximately a quarter of the Israeli population was considering emigration.

Almost half of the country's young people were thinking of leaving the country, the report said. Their reasons included dissatisfaction with the government, the education system, a lack of confidence in the political ruling class and concern over the security situation.

http://stlouis.ujcfedweb.org/page.html?ArticleID=144274
 
einmensch
#25

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 11th, 2009
Israel's right to be racist
Joseph Massad, The Electronic Intifada, 15 March 2007

Let us start with why Israel and Zionism need to ensure that Israel remains a racist state by law and why it deserves to have that right. The rationale is primarily threefold and is based on the following claims.

Jews are always in danger out in the wide world; only in a state that privileges them racially and religiously can they be safe from gentile oppression and can prosper. If Israel removed its racist laws and symbols and became a non-racist democratic state, Jews would cease to be a majority and would be like Diaspora Jews, a minority in a non-Jewish state.

Looks more like the world is suffering from Zionist oppression. So Canada fully supports a racist state.

Did you know that to become a member of NATO that country must have LAWS to make Holocaust Denial a crime.
 
einmensch
#26

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Mar 11th, 2009
This is a quote from Colpy>>>And yes, Iran does want to destroy Israel.....at least the current looney gov't does. They support Hezbollah, who bombs Jewish centres in Argentina, and whose leader once said he hoped all the Jews in the world returned to Israel......so he could kill them all in one place.

Colpy do you have a source for the above or is this Zionist propaganda?
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#27

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 11th, 2009
"Did you know that to become a member of NATO that country must have LAWS to make Holocaust Denial a crime."

And what is wrong with that. Denial of one of the worst tragedies in modern should be a crime.

Iran president sees "countdown" to Israel's end
"President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who triggered outrage in the West two years ago when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map", has often referred to the destruction of the Jewish state but says Iran is not a threat."
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSBLA32653020070603?feedType=RSS&rpc=22
 
Zzarchov
#28

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 11th, 2009
Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one View Post

I'm afraid you've got it wrong. Most Israelis live in peaceful neighborhoods, isolated from the violence. Unlike their Palestinian neighbors, they are protected and don't have to worry about religious fanatics shooting through their windows or torching their homes. Watch the movies:

B'Tselem - Settler violence - 10 Dec. '08: Hebron: Willful abandonment by security forces

But I would agree that sooner or later, Israelis will be overrun by hostile people, who are pissed off for decades of injustice and oppression. When these people finally get a chance to give what they've been getting, I expect it will be unpleasant for Israeli citizens. Which is why Israeli citizens should leave sooner rathe than later.

Peaceful neighbourhoods, with the danger of rockets falling on your heads.

You know whats easier? Not living some place with any danger of rockets on your head, ie Canada, which also wants immigrants.

So tell me why, withe the option of Canada and Israel to move to, would anyone choose Israel if they aren't Jewish and looking for some spiritual hocus pocus?

Its not a racist conspiracy, its a ****ty place to live. Thats like saying its a conspiracy to keep white people from moving to Harlem.
 
einmensch
#29

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 11th, 2009
Here are a few holocaust truths

<FONT size=4> – Fountains of blood gushing from mass graves. This evidence was given by prominent witnesses such as Elie Wiesel and Adolf Eichmann. Adalbert Rückerl, longtime head of the ZStL (Zentralstelle, Central Office) also spread this absurd story, which was dutifully carried along by the Frankfurt Auschwitz Court.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#30

Re: Has Israel become a Racist State?

Mar 11th, 2009
These are Jewish people who were pushed around throughout their history, and finally found a place where they can be the majority and be secure. They are not racist and anyone who says so doesn't know what they are talking about. Israel has been threatened since it's inception with annihilation. Jew's have been threatened as individuals by Europeans since first immigrating there. The Jewish immigrants to what is now Israel, created that state from a desert badland environment. If the Palestinians were still in charge that is all it would be today. You cannot compare what makes a true Israeli to a Canadian of for that matter a American. We just don't have the chutzpa.
 

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