ISIL and the Coalition of differing end states.


Goober
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ISIL and the Coalition of differing end states.
Ya got Iran, Saudi, then you may have Turkey who let ISIL operate freely inside Turkey.
Boyo- we got us a real mess here ya know.


U.S. authorized to target individual Islamic State leaders, officials say - The Washington Post
The Hit teams have been authorized. Really, why did it take so long

Obama‚€™s plan to counter Islamic State broadly welcomed in Iraq - The Washington Post

Amazing how a threat makes enemies into friends, well for a tad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...de5_story.html

BEIRUT — The Obama administration’s effort to win Arab allies in the fight against the Islamic State will have to overcome years of accumulated mistrust of American policies as well as the overlapping regional rivalries that helped fuel the ascent of the militants.

Progress has been encouraging. Arab states have scrambled to set aside differences to rally against the threat posed by the extremists, whose rampage through Iraq and Syria has unnerved rulers across the region.

On Thursday, Secretary of State John F. Kerry was to attend a meeting in Saudi Arabia with all of the major players in the Middle East, including the host country, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Turkey, to discuss ways to address the crisis.

Many of these countries are at odds over a range of issues and might not have been willing to send representatives to meet in the same room were it not for their urgent recognition of the new menace in their midst.
 
BaalsTears
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There is no coalition. Turkey is out. Britain and Germany won't fight. Iran and Russia criticized Obama's plan. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are ambivalent because they know they can't trust Obama. He will desert them as soon as the going gets tough. What will Canada do? If Canada helps Obama it will turn out just like Afghanistan where many brave Canadians died for naught.

Even American conservatives are ambivalent because they know Obama has no objectives...only means. In other words Obama tailors his objectives to fit the means he is willing to use. This is azz backwards thinking.

Obama will fail except to stir up a hornet's nest. America will be attacked again.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTears View Post

There is no coalition. Turkey is out. Britain and Germany won't fight. Iran and Russia criticized Obama's plan. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are ambivalent because they know they can't trust Obama. He will desert them as soon as the going gets tough. What will Canada do? If Canada helps Obama it will turn out just like Afghanistan where many brave Canadians died for naught.

Even American conservatives are ambivalent because they know Obama has no objectives...only means. In other words Obama tailors his objectives to fit the means he is willing to use. This is azz backwards thinking.

Obama will fail except to stir up a hornet's nest. America will be attacked again.

Regardless, ISIL is a threat to Saudi, Jordan, Turkey,Iran and Syria.
I do not see mission creep, or massive boots on the ground. Ain't gonna happen and today the French announced they are on board.
 
petros
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Watch Lebanon go full tilt as a US ally and Goobs, Iran is getting the shaft from Saudis.

Saudia Arabia and Qatar are ISIS
 
BaalsTears
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

Regardless, ISIL is a threat to Saudi, Jordan, Turkey,Iran and Syria.

Yeah, but with Obama as leader American involvement in this struggle is still a fool's errand.


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I do not see mission creep, or massive boots on the ground. Ain't gonna happen...

Bombing will accomplish little other than forcing ISIS to adjust its tactics. Without reliable boots on the ground the conflict can't be won. Arabs can be brave individually, but they are incoherent as a force. The American people won't support American boots on the ground.

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...and today the French announced they are on board.

When I read that the name Dien Bien Phu came to mind. France doesn't have the reach to be effective in this conflict. Besides, I've read that twenty percent of the "French" support ISIS. French participation while Britain and Germany remain idle indicates a division within NATO.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTears View Post

Yeah, but with Obama as leader American involvement in this struggle is still a fool's errand.




Bombing will accomplish little other than forcing ISIS to adjust its tactics. Without reliable boots on the ground the conflict can't be won. Arabs can be brave individually, but they are incoherent as a force. The American people won't support American boots on the ground.



When I read that the name Dien Bien Phu came to mind. France doesn't have the reach to be effective in this conflict. Besides, I've read that twenty percent of the "French" support ISIS. French participation while Britain and Germany remain idle indicates a division within NATO.

Other countries will have boots on the ground, France and the UK. This will enable targeting ISIL and not those that they want to kill.
A rubics cube of back room deals in ongoing.
 
petros
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Who is benefitting?
 
BaalsTears
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

Other countries will have boots on the ground, France and the UK. This will enable targeting ISIL and not those that they want to kill.
A rubics cube of back room deals in ongoing.

I hope you're right.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Who is benefitting?

Juice?
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

Other countries will have boots on the ground, France and the UK. This will enable targeting ISIL and not those that they want to kill.
A rubics cube of back room deals in ongoing.

ISIS isn't going to get Syria or Iran but from Iran to the Atlantic they will be the visible Government whose remain in power as long as they do the bidding of Isreal. If ISIS is given Northern Africa then what is south will also come under their sphere of influence without the 'boots on the ground' as that will be air-born swat. If China is already in there mining the gold then that won't change and that is why the US delayed Germany getting gold as it will be coming from African mines not yet in operation. To do that you need gas and Saudi is the closest place where the lines are already installed and the locations in Africa are basically test holes and that will be held in reserve so the mid east can be pumped dry first, preferably before they have an alternative that lets them take that event in stride. It would also be in Israel's best financial interests to supply africa as the fields in the waters off Gaza and Lebanon could go through Cyprus and the east and north to service those areas. France has always been covertly active in that area so they would want to be the ones collecting administrative fees.
All the financial woes could be blamed on the US and it's demand of the petro dollar being installed. As long as somebody is hung out to dry they will accept that and forget about it in about a week. The real crooks use that step to gain an even tighter hold from behind the scenes. Not that taking all of the money from a few OPEC members to pay for damages in Syria and other places their rebels tried to gain control by waging war. The rules in WWI came up with the loser pays the cost of the war for both sides, those countries affected will be rolling in dough so reconstruction will be extensive and of very high quality and on budget and on time.
Europe will accept that change in that area and they will focus on helping Russia and China develop the pipe and rail lines that will see the trade skyrocket as Europe has the raw material and China makes the bobbles and beads that make work worthwhile.

North America can also have a boom but it would be an internal one and driven more by climate change than an appreciation for each other's welfare.

More like a shell game that isn't all that hard to see once you slow it down and can rewind it in parts to get some clarity on some aspect that is a conflict by any standards.