800 years of democracy is unravelling before our very eyes


Hoid
#61
The Bible says "Let the People vote"
 
Tecumsehsbones
#62
800 years of democracy is unravelling before our very eyes

Good.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#63
Does that mean that Wales gets to be free, again?
 
coldstream
#64
I reread Starkey's opinion and its an impressive summing up of the forces that are in play in Brexit. The opposition is led by a group of elites centred around the culturally liberal, post-national, free market model of Tony Blair, and now in Europe around Emmanuel Macron.

It seems now the plan is to totally neuter Brexit into a Norway style 'Soft Brexit' that completely capitulates on British sovereignty with respect of trade and immigration. It essentially hands the control of its borders to the EU without any representation in the EU Parliament. It's total sellout.

The UK should go ahead and accept a No Deal Brexit as that giving it the most flexibility in the process. It can work out its relationship with Northern Ireland in the aftermath. It should forget this mania about Free Trade Agreements with the realization that Free Trade has NEVER worked EXCEPT for trading and banking interests and to the detriment of working people and especially those employed in industry.

Britain needs tariffs and it needs control over its immigration to rebuild and sovereign, national, industrial economy.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#65
Britain should stop trying to pretend that its empire was benevolent

he recent debacle of David Cameron’s filmed condemnation of Nigerian and Afghan corruption and the Queen’s remark on Chinese officials’ rudeness highlights the persistence of imperial thinking in Britain. There seems to be a continuing assumption within the British establishment that it sets an example for others to follow and that the British are owed deference by others. Ever since evangelical antislavery activists campaigned for Britain to abolish the transatlantic slave trade, Britons have assured themselves that imperial overrule is compatible with the “benign tutelage” of other races and nations. Unlike the other European empires, Britons tell themselves, theirs was an empire founded on humanitarian compassion for colonised subjects.
The argument runs like this: while the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Belgians and Germans exploited and abused, the British empire brought ideas of protection for lesser races and fostered their incremental development. With British tutelage colonised peoples could become, eventually, as competent, as knowledgeable, as “civilised” as Britain itself. These platitudes have been repeated time and again – they are still at the heart of most popular representations of the British Empire.
Even when we are encouraged to pay attention to empire’s costs as well as its benefits, these costs are imagined solely in terms of specific incidents of violence such as the Amritsar Massacre in India or the suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya. Britain has excused itself from that most structural injustice of empire – the slave trade itself – by the fact that it was Britain that pioneered its abolition.



More: https://theconversation.com/britain-...nevolent-59298
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Britain should stop trying to pretend that its empire was benevolent
he recent debacle of David Cameron’s filmed condemnation of Nigerian and Afghan corruption and the Queen’s remark on Chinese officials’ rudeness highlights the persistence of imperial thinking in Britain. There seems to be a continuing assumption within the British establishment that it sets an example for others to follow and that the British are owed deference by others. Ever since evangelical antislavery activists campaigned for Britain to abolish the transatlantic slave trade, Britons have assured themselves that imperial overrule is compatible with the “benign tutelage” of other races and nations. Unlike the other European empires, Britons tell themselves, theirs was an empire founded on humanitarian compassion for colonised subjects.
The argument runs like this: while the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Belgians and Germans exploited and abused, the British empire brought ideas of protection for lesser races and fostered their incremental development. With British tutelage colonised peoples could become, eventually, as competent, as knowledgeable, as “civilised” as Britain itself. These platitudes have been repeated time and again – they are still at the heart of most popular representations of the British Empire.
Even when we are encouraged to pay attention to empire’s costs as well as its benefits, these costs are imagined solely in terms of specific incidents of violence such as the Amritsar Massacre in India or the suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya. Britain has excused itself from that most structural injustice of empire – the slave trade itself – by the fact that it was Britain that pioneered its abolition.
More: https://theconversation.com/britain-...nevolent-59298


Wrong! They are a saintly people who have cannonized more human beings than anyone else on Earth!

http://youtu.be/GV_6LTyTNFw
 
Tecumsehsbones
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Wrong! They are a saintly people who have cannonized more human beings than anyone else on Earth!
http://youtu.be/GV_6LTyTNFw

Aw, now, they was just funnin'.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#68
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Aw, now, they was just funnin'.

Famous for their sense of sportsmanship and fair play, they are...

http://youtu.be/345aojByoGk
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#69
...don't forget this blast from the past, either!

http://youtu.be/ODQ11b0_roU
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

What's grown up about being in an undemocratic, authoritarian bureaucracy that strangles the economy, strips the country of its wealth and has aspirations of being a nation state that nobody in Britain voted to be part of?

What's grown up about being ruled by a bunch of odious unelected foreigners in Brussels and Strasbourg?

The Canadians wouldn't accept Canada being part of such an organisation, so why should the British?



Well, we're part of the UN and I would say it's a failed organization that Canadians didn't vote to be a part of.....
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#71
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

Well, we're part of the UN and I would say it's a failed organization that Canadians didn't vote to be a part of.....

We're also part of the British Commonwealth and we never voted for that either.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#72
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

We're also part of the British Commonwealth and we never voted for that either.

We're also part of the Rec Cross and everyone knows what kind of people THEY are!

It's dizgoostin, I tell ya.
 
Blackleaf
#73
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

We're also part of the British Commonwealth and we never voted for that either.

Well leave. Grow some balls like the British people.
 
Blackleaf
#74
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Britain should stop trying to pretend that its empire was benevolent
he recent debacle of David Cameron’s filmed condemnation of Nigerian and Afghan corruption and the Queen’s remark on Chinese officials’ rudeness highlights the persistence of imperial thinking in Britain. There seems to be a continuing assumption within the British establishment that it sets an example for others to follow and that the British are owed deference by others. Ever since evangelical antislavery activists campaigned for Britain to abolish the transatlantic slave trade, Britons have assured themselves that imperial overrule is compatible with the “benign tutelage” of other races and nations. Unlike the other European empires, Britons tell themselves, theirs was an empire founded on humanitarian compassion for colonised subjects.
The argument runs like this: while the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Belgians and Germans exploited and abused, the British empire brought ideas of protection for lesser races and fostered their incremental development. With British tutelage colonised peoples could become, eventually, as competent, as knowledgeable, as “civilised” as Britain itself. These platitudes have been repeated time and again – they are still at the heart of most popular representations of the British Empire.
Even when we are encouraged to pay attention to empire’s costs as well as its benefits, these costs are imagined solely in terms of specific incidents of violence such as the Amritsar Massacre in India or the suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya. Britain has excused itself from that most structural injustice of empire – the slave trade itself – by the fact that it was Britain that pioneered its abolition.
More: https://theconversation.com/britain-...nevolent-59298

The British Empire was the most benevolent in history.

Compare the British Empire with the French Empire. And even to this day the French still think they have an empire in Africa. Or are trying to revive it.

The British Empire gave the world Canada and New Zealand. The French Empire Empire gave the world Chad and Niger.

And the Commonwealth seems a much nicer thing to be part of than the Francophone.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#75
The British Empire was the most benevolent in history.


...sez the Brit. "You will be assimilated and you will be greatful!!"
 
Blackleaf
#76
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The British Empire was the most benevolent in history.

...sez the Brit. "You will be assimilated and you will be greatful!!"

There wouldn't be a Canada were it not for the British Empire. No more needs to be said on the matter.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

There wouldn't be a Canada were it not for the British Empire. No more needs to be said on the matter.

You did good
Things for us and bad things for us.

We've outgrown you.
 
Blackleaf
#78
Local government elections here next month. Paul Seddon at work told me a Labour politician came up to him on his driveway asking for his vote.

It went something like this:

Politician: "Can I speak to you for a moment?"

Paul: "Are you going to get us out of the EU?"

Politician: "Erm... aaah... well... erm."

Paul: "Well you can f#ck off, then"

And according to today's Sun newspaper, that's the sort of reaction politicians are receiving around the country in these elections.
 
Blackleaf
#79
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

You did good
Things for us and bad things for us.
We've outgrown you.

Complains about the British Empire.

Lives in a country which ones its very existence to that empire.
 
Blackleaf
#80
Seems like Article 50 has been further extended until 31st October.

Pisses me right off that we should have left the EU on 29th March; then we were told to wait until 12th April or 30th June. Now we're told to wait even further until 31st October. With local government and EU elections next month, it'll be fun to see our pathetic, useless and undemocratic MPs and MEPs face their reckoning.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#81
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Well leave. Grow some balls like the British people.

Yeah, you're being real decisive.
 
Blackleaf
#82
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Yeah, you're being real decisive.

Well the British people have been decisive. Our Euroscepticism got us the referendum, and we voted Leave despite what the global Establishment told us.

It's just a shame most of our politicians are pussies who think foreigners can do a better job of running Britain than themselves can.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#83
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Well the British people have been decisive. Our Euroscepticism got us the referendum, and we voted Leave despite what the global Establishment told us.
It's just a shame most of our politicians are pussies who think foreigners can do a better job of running Britain than themselves can.

You elected 'em.
 
Blackleaf
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

You elected 'em.

Yep - the vast majority of MPs were elected on mandates to take us out of the EU on 29th March 2019.

It's not the British people's fault, though, that Brexit has shown we have the most undemocratic Parliament since the Chartists.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#85
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Complains about the British Empire.
Lives in a country which ones its very existence to that empire.

... complaining about the Canadians and Americans who kept their Brit Grannies from starving to death ...
 
Tecumsehsbones
#86
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Yep - the vast majority of MPs were elected on mandates to take us out of the EU on 29th March 2019.
It's not the British people's fault, though, that Brexit has shown we have the most undemocratic Parliament since the Chartists.

So, you really do have a representative democracy! Cool!

Liars and cowards should be represented by liars and cowards.
 
MHz
#87
No wonder the Holy Wars took a few centuries and in the end no land, no treasures, no fuk all except the surfs were short a lot of hard earned money.

You are under the impression nobody is watching.
 
Blackleaf
#88
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

So, you really do have a representative democracy! Cool!
Liars and cowards should be represented by liars and cowards.

What's representative about Remainer MPs of Leave constituencies trying to overturn the referendum?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#89
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

What's representative about Remainer MPs of Leave constituencies trying to overturn the referendum?

Is there some part of "liars and cowards" you're too stupid to comprehend?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#90
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

So, you really do have a representative democracy! Cool!
Liars and cowards should be represented by liars and cowards.

They're representative of Monty Python and the Goons.