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Dexter Sinister said:
I've often suspected that's the explanation, it comes down to, knowing what a pig will eat, would you eat a pig? Lot of people say no. Pigs also carry some pretty nasty parasites, like trichinosis, and no doubt it was noted that some people who ate pig got very ill or died horribly.
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Pigs are like humans in that they will eat just about anything. When I lived out in the bush we had pigs that were turned loose to feed off the forest. They were about as organic as meat can get. They tasted like it too.

BTW: cannibals call humans "long pigs" for a reason. :) Would you eat a human knowing the kind of crap they eat?
 
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If you were, you would read all the holy texts out there, not just one or those that support your views. The Vedas, the Bavagad Gita, the Koran, The Tibetan Book of the Dead, even Hitchen's and other books of philosophy. There are thousands of holy books. Each contains a piece of the puzzle. Not one has the whole truth. If you are going to be a seeker, then seek. Your truth is where ever you find it.
A friend used to paraphrase PT Barnum, "There is a seeker born every day."
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This is a sincere question, Cliffy. Do you embrace all faith traditions except Christianity?
 
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I concluded long ago, long before I encountered Hitchens' work, that the Bible is mostly mythology, so I won't accept it as an authority on how I should live my life, nor will I accept anything based on its presumed authority.
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This is a sincere question, Dex. Would you consider yourself atheist or agnostic?
 
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Short answer: no.

Long answer: I don't really like either of those terms, their definitions seem to vary a lot depending on who you're talking to. Agnostic just means without knowledge, and as I indicated in a previous post, I don't know whether there's a deity or not so the word might seem to apply. It seems highly improbable to me that there's a deity, and I don't believe there is, but the word seems to have been stretched to mean not only do we not know, we can't know, and I don't think I'll ever accept that latter idea. Atheism means without belief in a deity, and I'm certainly that, but it too has been stretched into meaning believing there isn't a deity, which, as I stated before, I think is logically indefensible. So I don't use them much as labels for myself, though sometimes atheist is a useful shorthand if I'm conversing with people I believe know what I mean. Agnostic I will never apply to myself. Otherwise though, I'll be more specific, depending on context: skeptic, humanist, rationalist, whatever seems appropriate to the nature of the exchange.
 
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Motar said:
This is a sincere question, Cliffy. Do you embrace all faith traditions except Christianity?
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I think that all religions have some truth in them. A wise man once said to me, "The bible is like a gold mine. You have to get rid of the overburden in order to find the gems." It is the same with all books, with all teachers. Nobody has a handle on the truth.

Have you ever read the red letter bible? The words of Jesus are in red. If you read them, you will see that modern Christianity has very little to do with the teachings of Jesus and just about everything to do with the writings of Paul. I call it Paulianity. Has a nice ring to it for a double entendra, doesn't it?
 
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I think that all religions have some truth in them.
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I would agree, Cliffy. The general revelation about God in creation is available to all. (Romans 1:20)

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Nobody has a handle on the truth.
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Also, true. No one has an absolute knowledge of truth. Now we know in part. (1 Corinthians 13:9-12)

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Have you ever read the red letter bible? The words of Jesus are in red.
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A red-letter Bible is a great study aid, Cliffy! The Holy Spirit is even better. (John 14:26)

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If you read them, you will see that modern Christianity has very little to do with the teachings of Jesus and just about everything to do with the writings of Paul.
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Luke commends the believers in Berea for fact-checking Paul. (Acts 17:11) Paul recommends that believers follow Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:1)

Have a blessed day, Cliffy.
 
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Dexter Sinister said:
Short answer: no.
Long answer: I don't really like either of those terms, their definitions seem to vary a lot depending on who you're talking to. Agnostic just means without knowledge, and as I indicated in a previous post, I don't know whether there's a deity or not so the word might seem to apply. It seems highly improbable to me that there's a deity, and I don't believe there is, but the word seems to have been stretched to mean not only do we not know, we can't know, and I don't think I'll ever accept that latter idea. Atheism means without belief in a deity, and I'm certainly that, but it too has been stretched into meaning believing there isn't a deity, which, as I stated before, I think is logically indefensible. So I don't use them much as labels for myself, though sometimes atheist is a useful shorthand if I'm conversing with people I believe know what I mean. Agnostic I will never apply to myself. Otherwise though, I'll be more specific, depending on context: skeptic, humanist, rationalist, whatever seems appropriate to the nature of the exchange.
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I appreciate your thoughtful response, Dex.
 
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