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petros

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Deaths related to COVID (per 1,000,000 people) in countries that did a "soft" quarantine:
United States 500
Sweden 571
Deaths related to COVID (per 1,000,000 people) in countries that did a "hard quarantine:
Canada 238
France 464
Germany 110
Australia 12
Japan 8
Where is China?
 

petros

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If Canada had taken no measures whatsoever, the death rate would have been 30 times the rate of a normal season of influenza.
450,000 death/year worldwide x 0.5 (Canada's share of World population) = 225,000
22,500 x 30 = 675,000
675,000 people would have died in Canada from the start of the pandemic until early 2021.
It has been 5 months since Canada recorded over 12 cases/day for the first time (March 11). I will just use that as a starting point for the pandemic. So:
675,000 x 5/12 = 281,500
281,500 Canadians would have died without social distancing measures.
By implementing social distancing measures, we managed to save 272,000 people.

Saying COVID is 30 times deadlier than the seasonal flu is conservative, as many virologists believe it to be 50-100 times more lethal.
Use population density. Both urban and rural. Weather, hours of sun, daily highs and lows, precip, population age, employment, kids, no kids, and even more if you want to chuck numbers around.

Peel the whole onion.
 

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If Canada had taken no measures whatsoever, the death rate would have been 30 times the rate of a normal season of influenza.


450,000 death/year worldwide x 0.5 (Canada's share of World population) = 225,000

22,500 x 30 = 675,000

675,000 people would have died in Canada from the start of the pandemic until early 2021.

It has been 5 months since Canada recorded over 12 cases/day for the first time (March 11). I will just use that as a starting point for the pandemic. So:

675,000 x 5/12 = 281,500

281,500 Canadians would have died without social distancing measures.

By implementing social distancing measures, we managed to save 272,000 people.


Saying COVID is 30 times deadlier than the seasonal flu is conservative, as many virologists believe it to be 50-100 times more lethal.

Hindustan Times . What do the fact checkers say about them ?
 

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If Canada had taken no measures whatsoever, the death rate would have been 30 times the rate of a normal season of influenza.


450,000 death/year worldwide x 0.5 (Canada's share of World population) = 225,000

22,500 x 30 = 675,000

675,000 people would have died in Canada from the start of the pandemic until early 2021.

It has been 5 months since Canada recorded over 12 cases/day for the first time (March 11). I will just use that as a starting point for the pandemic. So:

675,000 x 5/12 = 281,500

281,500 Canadians would have died without social distancing measures.

By implementing social distancing measures, we managed to save 272,000 people.


Saying COVID is 30 times deadlier than the seasonal flu is conservative, as many virologists believe it to be 50-100 times more lethal.



Your stats don't support that. Looking at Sweden & US the per capita difference is 250ish/million. Not 10 times.
 

petros

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For a big chunk of Canadians, come October the high angle sun is going bye bye for 7-8 months. UV has been playing a big roll.
 

petros

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Some of those factors are either irrelevant, or play a minimal role in COVID cases or deaths (climate, population density, etc).
I do know that 83% of fatalities in Canada occurred in nursing/retirement homes. I believe NYC had a very high rate of deaths in retirement homes too.
I am not a virologist. You will have to do the research yourself, or pay me for my time :)
Follow Canadian numbers by density. It shows. Same goes for weather high density that has been wet is higher.

It pretty evident in W. Canada.

When everybody goes back indoors numbers will climb.
 

petros

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Only UV-C rays can destroy COVID-19. Problem is, UV-C rays would destroy our vital organs and skin cells. We would be dead by the time there is enough natural occuring UV-C that would eliminate the virus.
Source:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/can-uv-light-kill-the-coronavirus-experts-break-down-online-claims-1.4885104
Nooooooo. UV C is what is used commercially. I'll say it again, UV kills viruses. What's the main source of UV on earth? What determines our exposure to UV? In a few weeks How many millions of Canadians will be soaking wet under overcast skies until snow hits in November or December? Will days be getting longer? Do viruses like it damp, cool and dark?
 
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can you elaborate as to what I am wrong about?

I used 450,000 as a base number, since the seasonal flu kills on average 290,000 to 650,000 people a year, for the record.


I am just extrapolating your lockdown vs non-lockdown stats. But I see that I those are not per year. Which is why the numbers are different.
 

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petros

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How does one explain the low numbers in China, Japan, and other heavily populated areas?
Or alternatively, the high numbers of COVID cases in places like Iceland, Sweden, or Belarus?
As for Canada, Toronto and Vancouver have done relatively well, which are both heavily populated areas. On the other side, Hutterite Colonies, and First Nations reserves are being hit hard.
I agree that numbers will increase if companies, schools, and government institutions do not take the necessary precautions to limit exposure in indoor settings.

An Asian classroom.
You have real numbers for China?

You need to learn more about viruses. A lot more.
 

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Some of those factors are either irrelevant, or play a minimal role in COVID cases or deaths (climate, population density, etc).
I do know that 83% of fatalities in Canada occurred in nursing/retirement homes. I believe NYC had a very high rate of deaths in retirement homes too.
I am not a virologist. You will have to do the research yourself, or pay me for my time :)
Population density has a huge impact. Notice there are next to no cases in rural areas and the few that happened are all because someone just HAD to go to the city for a spell. Even Victoria had to import their cases by plane.
 

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Hopefully...
DOn't be putting too much faith in Big Pharma. At least initially their vaccine is likely to be no better than their normal flu vaccines. Especially since Covid19 has at least 6 different sub species right now. Not really the right word but I can't get the one I want to come up.