WE really need to get rid of this guy

Jinentonix

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They needed to get the money out there in order to have people hire the students for the summer.

You seem incapable of following the simplest story line.
F*ck yer dumb as a stump.
"The prime minister said it was needed so students would have summer jobs. But students aren’t taking jobs that already exist. A prime example is agriculture. Because of COVID-19, farmers have faced delays in getting temporary foreign workers, leaving crops spoiling in their fields. Many students that farmers did manage to attract either failed to show up or quit after deciding the work was too hard, a phenomenon that reflects our coddled Generation Z’s aversion to physical labour."


Wow, sounds like you.
 

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I'm guessing we'll find out how many of the conservatives were paid by WE in due course.
Because when a government gives money to WE that"s "graft" somebody said.

Trudeau was trying to enrich himself somehow.

Because that's what some people said.
 

Ron in Regina

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Because when a government gives money to WE that"s "graft" somebody said.
Trudeau was trying to enrich himself somehow.
Because that's what some people said.
No....When a government gives money to WE in exchange for a members personal gain, that’s “graft” I would assume that ‘someone’ would have meant. Trudeau’s (& Morneau’s) ties to WE like the 1/2 Million dollars paid to family members, or the ‘Comp’ed’ vacations or the political campaign style ads paid for by WE to jointly promote Trudeau & WE simultaneously, etc....could be seen as trying to enrich themselves in exchange for their (not recusing themselves) involvement in the decision making process to grant contracts to WE. That’s what some people, even here in this Thread, have been saying.
 

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lol Trudean didn't select WE, the public service selected We.

Doesn't that mean that We had paid money to the public services mommy?
 

Ron in Regina

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Crisis or not, Canada’s right-wing sticks with the politics of anger and division
https://www.hilltimes.com/2020/04/2...ith-the-politics-of-anger-and-division/244658
They literally don't care if Canadians are suffering and dying and need help.
The only thing that matters is to attack Trudeau for any amount of political gain.
Holy Crap! A LINK!! Good on you! So only Canada’s “right wing” being the Conservatives & Bloc & NDP & the Green Party & even some Liberal Party MP’s that have spoken out against this goat rodeo are your villains in this....thing. The Conservatives happen to be what’s called “The OfficialOpposition” in this Gov’t....so the Right Wing Bloc & NDP & Green Party and Liberal MP’s that are speaking up about this also deserve your ire??? Sorry, haven’t read your LINK yet as I’m still wrapping my head around you posting one. That’s awesome!!!
 

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The only thing that matters is to attack Trudeau for any amount of political gain.
 

Hoid

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In other words he threw them under the bus
In other words the public service selected the We charity and informed the cabinet that it was We or nothing.

In retrospect it was WE and nothing - except for some small political gain for the opposition
 

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And as regards the gain - each opposition party has managed about a one point gains in the polls.

And that is important because nothing matters except attacking Trudeau for any amount of political gain.
 

Ron in Regina

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In other words the public service selected the We charity and informed the cabinet that it was We or nothing.

In retrospect it was WE and nothing - except for some small political gain for the opposition
Is the public service sector saying that they selected WE over themselves as the only entity that could deal with this Program (?) http://psacunion.ca/why-government-contracting-out-public-service-jobs because it doesn't sound like it here (?) but this is so July 2nd, 2020.

PSAC is alarmed by the government’s unexpected decision to outsource administration of the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG) program to the WE Charity. The administration of national programs is the responsibility of public service workers and they are specialized in that work. Moreover, the federal public service has extensive experience with administering a wide range of programs targeted at youth and students.

Since the pandemic began the federal public service has clearly demonstrated that it can implement newly announced government programs promptly and scale them up quickly. “Mr. Trudeau’s claim that WE Charity is the ‘only one’ that can administer the new grant program is not only factually wrong, it’s also insulting to our members,” said PSAC National President Chris Aylward. “PSAC members have worked hard to support the government’s rapidly evolving response to the pandemic and remain committed to continuing doing so.”

Keeping administration of the CSSG public would support accountability, oversight and proper handling of private applicant information. It would also ensure that the workers administering the grant are themselves compensated fairly.” PSAC calls on the government to fully explain how it reached its decision to contract out the CSSG to the WE Charity and commit to keeping the administration of all government programs public.
 

Ron in Regina

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And as regards the gain - each opposition party has managed about a one point gains in the polls.

And that is important because nothing matters except attacking Trudeau for any amount of political gain.
Maybe this wasn't purely about political gain then. Perhaps this is just what it is, in that it's a finance committee & and ethics committee looking into the games and shenanigans surrounding this goat rodeo involving WE administering the CSSG bypassing Parliamentary over-site, instead of having the public service sector administer it without bypassing Parliamentary over-site?
 

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Maybe this wasn't purely about political gain then. Perhaps this is just what it is, in that it's a finance committee & and ethics committee looking into the games and shenanigans surrounding this goat rodeo involving WE administering the CSSG bypassing Parliamentary over-site, instead of having the public service sector administer it without bypassing Parliamentary over-site?
The public service cannot administer it.
 

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Here is an interesting link describing how speaking fees are arrived at:
https://hbr.org/2018/05/how-much-should-you-charge-for-a-speech
Here’s a rule of thumb for appropriate pricing:
Newbie speakers might earn $500–$2,500 for a talk.
Beginning speakers, or those just establishing a brand with their first book, might earn $5,000–$10,000.
Those with several books and other forms of “social proof” might draw $10,000–$20,000.
Those who are very well-known in their field, such as best-selling authors, can bring in $20,000–$35,000 per talk.
Celebrities, of course, are in a different category altogether, and can command six- and even seven-figure speaking fees — but unfortunately, most of us don’t fall into that category.
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Trudeau's mommy got something like $250k for 28 events? (and remember she had to do all the shmoozing before and after the speech)
Less than $10K per events would put her at the lower end of what would be expected of someone with several books and extensive "social proof"
which jibes with what WE said about her being paid at the lower end of what they normally pay.
imagine that
Bill and Hillary are reported to have made about $153 million in speaking fees from 2001 to 2016
https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/index.html

Trudeau himself will be in the higher range
 

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Is the public service sector saying that they selected WE over themselves as the only entity that could deal with this Program (?) http://psacunion.ca/why-government-contracting-out-public-service-jobs because it doesn't sound like it here (?) but this is so July 2nd, 2020.

PSAC is alarmed by the government’s unexpected decision to outsource administration of the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG) program to the WE Charity. The administration of national programs is the responsibility of public service workers and they are specialized in that work. Moreover, the federal public service has extensive experience with administering a wide range of programs targeted at youth and students.

Since the pandemic began the federal public service has clearly demonstrated that it can implement newly announced government programs promptly and scale them up quickly. “Mr. Trudeau’s claim that WE Charity is the ‘only one’ that can administer the new grant program is not only factually wrong, it’s also insulting to our members,” said PSAC National President Chris Aylward. “PSAC members have worked hard to support the government’s rapidly evolving response to the pandemic and remain committed to continuing doing so.”

Keeping administration of the CSSG public would support accountability, oversight and proper handling of private applicant information. It would also ensure that the workers administering the grant are themselves compensated fairly.” PSAC calls on the government to fully explain how it reached its decision to contract out the CSSG to the WE Charity and commit to keeping the administration of all government programs public.


Thanks for this, Ron. I've been all over the net trying to find the statement after hearing about it from the NDP MP during the Telford grilling. Public Sector employees 1 - Bus 0 It really surprises me that this is not being covered, Ron. I've yet to hear one single newscast cover the story. Then, maybe I just missed the one single broadcast that actually talked about it. Yeah, sure.