"The west wants out": Separatist sentiments growing in Alberta

Tecumsehsbones

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Serious question. Has any American, aside from internet Yahoos, expressed any interest at all in having Alberta, Saskatchewan, or any other part of Canada as a state, territory, or in any other way?

If it's just internet Yahoos, could you give me a rough count? Ballpark's fine.
 

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Serious question. Has any American, aside from internet Yahoos, expressed any interest at all in having Alberta, Saskatchewan, or any other part of Canada as a state, territory, or in any other way?

If it's just internet Yahoos, could you give me a rough count? Ballpark's fine.
None that I have heard of , certainly none from any State Department or elected officials .
 

petros

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Phuk, separatism would never happen here in lieberal, socialist and communist BC. Look who the fools in BC who keep voting for. Does a separatist party in BC thinks that it will get the go ahead for BC to separate from the rest of Canada? No f'n way, Jose.
I never knew Wexit was just one Province or territory. Far out!
 

petros

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Serious question. Has any American, aside from internet Yahoos, expressed any interest at all in having Alberta, Saskatchewan, or any other part of Canada as a state, territory, or in any other way?
If it's just internet Yahoos, could you give me a rough count? Ballpark's fine.
How does that fit in? BL00Mer is the only one who has a join USA fetish. Wexit is about our own nation state.
 

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Serious question. Has any American, aside from internet Yahoos, expressed any interest at all in having Alberta, Saskatchewan, or any other part of Canada as a state, territory, or in any other way?
If it's just internet Yahoos, could you give me a rough count? Ballpark's fine.

How soon after confirmation of separation would Washington come with hat in hand to offer support and marketing advice?
 

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It's called a "question." It means somebody is asking for information.

Hope that helped.
The answer is that there has always been a fear of being annexed by America and it used to be quite well-founded. But it was an 1800's time frame when it was plausible. 54-40 or fight was the last real discussion of it in the USA.
 

spilledthebeer

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My point is that there is no western separation movement outside of the (ab)normal climate change deniers.

If there was there would be elected separatists at the local provincial and federal levels as there are with Quebec.




Oh hemerHOID! If you ever started making sense on any subject it would be RIGHT AFTER you were given an EXORCISM !


To remove the muddle headed DEMON that currently possesses your mind!


If you ever got connected to a LIE DETECTOR - the thing would INSTANTLY MELT DOWN INTO SLAG!
 

spilledthebeer

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How does that fit in? BL00Mer is the only one who has a join USA fetish. Wexit is about our own nation state.




Pity the poor delusional Wexit Wingnuts!


They are so clueless they actually think they can get a better deal by stamping their feet and threatening to run away from home!


Wexit Wingnuts DO NOT want to consider the economic reality that surrounds them!


HOW - for instance will Wexit Wingnuts get a BETTER DEAL FROM BANKRUPT B.C.


Or from fiscally crippled Ontari-owe - struggling to throw off the Wynne-bag LIE-beral damage?



And HOW will Wexit Wingnuts fare in negotiations with Washington - when they have MORE OF THEIR OWN OIL



than they can sell?


Here is an article STATING THE OBVIOUS! With some comments of my own in brackets):

COVID-19: City of Vancouver at risk of bankruptcy, says mayor

By David Carrigg Vancouver Sun. Published April 12, 2020

Vancouver Mayor Kennedy Stewart says the city is at risk of insolvency.

(I am AWED by the mayors powers of observation! Prior to the appearance of Wuhan Virus - we ALREADY had national debts SO SEVERE that the payback was going to burden generations of Cdns FOR CENTURIES! And now with our govt literally spending as if they had found pots of gold at multiple rainbows - we ARE TRULY SCREWED by the Wuhan bills and costs!)

The City of Vancouver is at risk of going bankrupt, says the mayor, citing a recent poll showing more than half of property owners are not expecting to pay full property taxes this year as COVID-19 financial woes take hold.

(This bankruptcy news WOULD NOT be so offensive if LIE-berals were NOT so determined to return to the usual tax and spend madness designed to BUY VOTES from civil service union HOGS and assorted special LIE-beral pals just to save the LIE-beral hold on power - at ANY price! Even as govt shovels aid at us - LIE-berals are also getting ANOTHER pay raise and putting up the carbon SCAM tax by FIFTY PERCENT! Tax and spend MADNESS - as always! )

(Wuhan Virus is very likely going to complete the job that LIE-berals have been working on for decades - the creation of a TWO TIER SOCIETY in which LIE-berals and their pals own houses and cars and other nice toys and enjoy pleasant holidays and the rest of us live hopelessly in little concrete boxes and scratch around in the McJob and gig economy!)

(LIE-berals simply CANNOT coherently explain why the clerk marking your water bill as paid should be getting WAY MORE PAY than the clerk toting up your grocery bill other than the FACT that the vote of the govt clerk is being BOUGHT by LIE-berals - while grocery clerk is IGNORED!)

In a press release issued on Sunday afternoon, Mayor Kennedy Stewart said his earlier claim that the city would lose up to $189 million in revenue and fee shortfalls in 2020 could be $325 million short of the mark. The city has already laid off 1,500 workers.

“If 25 per cent of homeowners do end up defaulting on their property taxes, we could shed up to an additional $325 million in revenues,” Stewart said. “Losing more than half-a-billion dollars in operating funds in 2020 would devastate the city’s financial position, forcing us to liquify assets and exhaust every reserve fund we have — just to avoid insolvency.”

Property taxes make up the bulk of the city’s revenues at $874 million in 2019.

(Yes - we all understand the numbers - what we DO NOT UNDERSTAND is why civil service union pensions should continue to EXIST - since SO FEW Cdns - other than govt HOGS have them! Even worse- HOGS are entitled to pension rates and returns NOT PERMITTED to ordinary Cdns! HOGS are entitled to invest up to 33% of pretax income in an RRSP - and the govt employer kicks in a BIG chunk of that while ordinary peasants are limited to 18%!)

(LIE-berals have issued HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars in IOU`s to HOGS - promising future top ups of HOG pensions and it is money we DID NOT HAVE when the IOU`s were offered and it is money WE CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE NOW!)

(OSSTF - Ontari-owe high school teachers were DEMANDING about $55 billion dollars in pension top ups in 2018 just before the provincial election and the urgent NEED to pay those IOU`s destroyed the Wynne-bag LIE-berals! And OSSTF is JUST ONE of 19 separate Ontari-owe unions with its hand out for more gravy! In related news - senior university staff had DEMANDED an immediate 50% pay raise right before that Ontari-owe election!)

(The UGLY TRUTH is that the pressure on LIE-berals to keep on printing money after Wuhan Virus is gone - WILL BE HUGE! Federal LIE-berals ran up $100 billion dollars in new debt in our allegedly booming economy between 2015 and October 2019 in a frantic effort to buy another majority govt - AND FAILED to feed the HOGS as much as they felt entitled to - LIE-berals were reduced to minority status as a result of HOG dissatisfaction with their gravy status!)

Stewart said that Research Co. polling commissioned by his office found that a quarter of all property owners would not be able to pay more than half their property tax owed in 2020 and that six per cent were not expecting to pay anything at all.

(And yet various HOG university professors are already being promoted in our LIE-beral friendly news media expounding on various ways that LIE-berals could PICK OUR POCKETS more creatively to grab the gravy HOGS DESIRE! Hog greed and LIE-beral lust for power are setting up an economic civil war that will be fought using deceptive accounting such as was used by Wynne-bag LIE-berals to HIDE their last $16 billion dollar debt and by the relentless use of FAKE NEWS so far removed from the truth that even Soviet Pravda Commissars would blush at telling such WHOPPERS!)

The poll also found that 68 per cent of Vancouver home owners did not pay their full mortgage on April 1, and that 55 per cent were not expecting to make their full mortgage payment on May 1.

(Yes- and as we know - bankers are willing to let the payments SLIDE for a while - just so long as they get to KEEP ADDING INTEREST to the debt! Though there is growing speculation that there will be a wave of forced bankruptcies in the months ahead as the debts and slow economy will overwhelm many people!)

According to the Canadian Bankers Association, over 500,000 Canadians have asked for mortgage deferrals in the wake of the COVID-19 crisis. This comes as banks are seeking increased interest rates.

(The UGLY REALITY is that LIE-berals have been playing with interest rates for VERY SELFISH reasons! They tell us that low interest rates help control inflation which is BULLSH+T! Our inflation is driven by the size of PAY RAISE LIE-berals give to HOGS - and by the rising cost of housing as transportation systems become ever more crowded and costly - it suits LIE-berals that we CANNOT easily commute from spread out lower cost suburbs - thus we squeeze ourselves ever more tightly into crowded towers in cities and in the process SAVE LIE-beral gravy that would otherwise be needed for new infrastructure!)

(And LIE-berals PREFER to have a sales tax percentage of a HIGH HOUSE PRICE instead of a low cost house! LIE-beral NEED for gravy mandates that 5% of a million dollars is MUCH BETTER for them than 5% of $300 grand! Ever increasing house prices translate into ever increasing sales tax gravy!)

LIE-berals are also screwing around with house sizes - once upon a time a 1200 square foot house was considered very nice - but now thanks to LIE-beral lust for property taxes we are NOT PERMITTED to build a 1200 sq. ft. house and MUST build one of 1800 or even 2200 sq. ft. instead - so LIE-berals can collect MORE real estate taxes on the bigger building!)

The Research Co. survey also found Vancouver renters were being hit hard, with 30 per cent not able to make their full April rents and 63 per cent not expecting to make full rent in May.

(WE should ask how much of these current numbers are the result of LIE-beral HYSTERIA - trying to panic the public in hope of sliding unpleasant LIE-beral values past voters! How much will these gloom and doom number change as the LIE-beral aid packages come into effect?)

(We KNOW for instance that the aid package for small biz WILL NOT be available till some time in MAY! And the student aid package has only just been announced and will not be available for some weeks! And in related news - how much of the student aid package will FIND ITS WAY DIRECTLY into the pockets of HOG PROFESSORS? LIE-berals refer to aid for students but there is ample reason to call it AID FOR HOGS - since the HOGS had previously DEMANDED a FIFTY PERCENT PAY RAISE from Wynne-bag LIE-berals - and now our kids are getting aid dumped into their pockets by govt! Will tuition costs be frozen or will they SOAR in the next couple of years? )

Over one million Canadians have so far applied for the federal government’s $2,000 a month COVID-19 emergency benefit.

The survey found that 46 percent of those living in the city had either lost their jobs or experienced a reduction in hours. This has led to half of all households reporting an overall decrease in income, with 24 percent experiencing a significant decrease.

“The research is clear — the city’s finances are going to be negatively affected by COVID-19 due to lost revenues and hard-hit homeowners defaulting on their property taxes,” Kennedy said.

(Yes - the aid packages being rolled out ARE NECESSARY - its just TOO BAD that LIE-berals see such OPPORTUNITY to buy votes and aid HOGS in this disaster relief!)

“It’s illegal for Vancouver and other local governments to run deficits, so the only way we can stay afloat is with the help of the federal and provincial governments. Otherwise, local governments will be forced to take drastic measures that will hurt residents and businesses, and significantly slow any post-pandemic economic recovery.”

(Cities have already demonstrated their INABILITY to act responsibly with a credit card - hence the prohibition against running deficits! One QUICK WAY to reduce city debt would be to HALT any more govt payments into HOG pensions! After all - in 2012 Cdn news media told us that NINETY SEVEN PERCENT of HOG pension plans were IN THE RED - meaning heading for bankruptcy IF MORE GRAVY was not shovelled into them! THIS IS the TRUE FACE of Bankruptcy! That one GOOD WAY to save our economy from MASSIVE new debts and major inflation would be to WIND DOWN AND CLOSE OUT the HOG pension plans that we cannot pay for anyway!)

(HOW INSULTING IS IT that even as our economy crumbles under the Wuhan Pestilence - OSSTF was DEMANDING even higher pay and MORE PENSION BENEFITS from Ford govt!)

(Hogs would be A LOT MORE CAREFUL of govt money if they had to live with the CONSEQUENCES of LIE-beral waste and extravagance like the rest of us!)
 

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The answer is that there has always been a fear of being annexed by America and it used to be quite well-founded. But it was an 1800's time frame when it was plausible. 54-40 or fight was the last real discussion of it in the USA.


If the rest of Canada does not get rid of the french controlled federal liberal socialist party of Canada very soon, we might as well join America. The Americans can offer Western Canada a lot more than what the french thieves in da Attawa can for the West.

All the West has ever gotten from the french controlled governments in da Attawa over these past several decades was bilingualism, multiculturalism, huge massive foreign aid budget, massive third world immigration along with more legal and illegal so called refugees that have cost the taxpayer's in the West hundreds of billions of their tax dollars being blown every year on all of those pet projects and agendas that the commie liberal french socialists have foisted and forced on the West. Canada is starting to look and become like another Chinese communist country thanks to our dear comrade leader of da Canada.
 

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If you are serious and not just some internet yahoo then I'll give you a non-internet yahoo answer. Yes. Pacifica.
http://www.nationofpacifica.com/
Which does not answer the question I asked. I asked if anybody besides a few internet Yahoos had expressed an interest in the U.S. annexing the Canadian west, not about what other plans there were.

You're not very good at this.
 

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If the rest of Canada does not get rid of the french controlled federal liberal socialist party of Canada very soon, we might as well join America. The Americans can offer Western Canada a lot more than what the french thieves in da Attawa can for the West.

All the West has ever gotten from the french controlled governments in da Attawa over these past several decades was bilingualism, multiculturalism, huge massive foreign aid budget, massive third world immigration along with more legal and illegal so called refugees that have cost the taxpayer's in the West hundreds of billions of their tax dollars being blown every year on all of those pet projects and agendas that the commie liberal french socialists have foisted and forced on the West. Canada is starting to look and become like another Chinese communist country thanks to our dear comrade leader of da Canada.




You really think that Washington will offer Alberta a BETTER DEAL than Ottawa?


Your mind is more broken than even I had guessed!
 

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You really think that Washington will offer Alberta a BETTER DEAL than Ottawa?


Your mind is more broken than even I had guessed!

A better deal than Ottawa?

Let's review, shall we?

  1. Budgets balance themselves
  2. Sexually assaulted a journalist
  3. Smacks the boobs of opposition MPs when he's in a rush
  4. Self proclaimed world's leading feminist - when he's not busy getting the Minister of Justice to exonerate his buddies from criminal wrong-doing.
  5. Expels 2 women from Lib Party for not bowing to his chauvinism (some feminist, huh?)

Almost forgot:


........ Sunny Ways

You can keep your Ottawa.. You deserve everything you get
 

Tecumsehsbones

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A better deal than Ottawa?
Let's review, shall we?
  1. Budgets balance themselves
  2. Sexually assaulted a journalist
  3. Smacks the boobs of opposition MPs when he's in a rush
  4. Self proclaimed world's leading feminist - when he's not busy getting the Minister of Justice to exonerate his buddies from criminal wrong-doing.
  5. Expels 2 women from Lib Party for not bowing to his chauvinism (some feminist, huh?)
Almost forgot:
........ Sunny Ways
You can keep your Ottawa.. You deserve everything you get
In case anybody was actually confused as to whether this was about Ottawa, or just a hissy fit about Trudeaubama.

If Cap'n's typical, as soon as there's a Conservative PM, the Empire of the West fantasy will dry up and blow away.

Kinda like Texas secession. They're all rootin' tootin' for secession when there's a Democratic president (especially when he's black, not that they're racists, mind), and happier'n pigs in shit when there's a Republican.

Appreciate the insight, Cap'n. Until some further evidence emerges, I'll just regard and treat Wexiteers as whiny li'l kids pouting because they lost the latest election. Because that's clearly what y'all are.
 

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You think this is superficial?

I get that you're an American outsider looking in but I didnt think you were naive.
 

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Serious question. Has any American, aside from internet Yahoos, expressed any interest at all in having Alberta, Saskatchewan, or any other part of Canada as a state, territory, or in any other way?
If it's just internet Yahoos, could you give me a rough count? Ballpark's fine.
Possibly. There are a number of people in Washington and Oregon that also favour the concept of Cascadia. The boundaries tend to be flexible depending on who is pushing it but basically Washington Oregon BC Montana Alberta Alaska. Seems like the Western states feel the same way we do about a federal government that either ignores or steals from them.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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You think this is superficial?
I get that you're an American outsider looking in but I didnt think you were naive.
If Cap'n's revealing rant was in any way typical, it's not about Ottawa, it's about the current occupant of 24 Sussex Drive.

And Cap'n's one of the smarter, more stable righties hereabouts.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Possibly. There are a number of people in Washington and Oregon that also favour the concept of Cascadia. The boundaries tend to be flexible depending on who is pushing it but basically Washington Oregon BC Montana Alberta Alaska. Seems like the Western states feel the same way we do about a federal government that either ignores or steals from them.
Well, I can't speak to the Canadian west, but I think we delivered the definitive answer to American states seceding in 1865.

Probably the best, lowest-death-toll response to a serious effort at Texas secession would be a relatively small nuclear "demonstration" on a useless piece of waste land. Like Houston.

Same thing for Washington, Oregon, Idaho, or Montana (different city, obviously).

Maybe we should target the site of the signing of the declaration of secession, just to make it absolutely clear what we're objecting to.
 
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taxslave

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You really think that Washington will offer Alberta a BETTER DEAL than Ottawa?
Your mind is more broken than even I had guessed!
Where do you Liberals get the idea we would join the Us? Western Canada will be just that. With maybe a few of the north western states joining in. Geographically it makes much more sense than how both countries are currently aligned. You can keep your bilingualism and money pits.