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The cloud separates the lower atmosphere from the upper atmosphere which is the seven gaseous heavens:
The wind drifts the cloud in the lower atmosphere.
The cloud separates the lower atmosphere: the troposphere, from the upper atmosphere: the stratosphere.
The troposphere is turbulent because of the wind and its gases are mixed, while the stratosphere is calm: therefore, its gases have separated into seven layers.
Therefore, the wind and the cloud belong to the earth troposphere, while from the stratosphere up it is the layered gaseous heavens.
Quran 2: 164, which means:
(And in the changing of winds,
and in the cloud [that God] has subjected between the sky and the earth,
--- are signs to people who understand.)
"Here, God – be exalted – explained that the cloud is between the sky and the earth. So, the position of the sky is from the cloud up, while the position of the air is from the cloud down. Therefore, the wind belongs or is related to the earth but not to the sky."
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm#The_Gaseous_Heavens
quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm#The_Gaseous_Heavens
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Meteorites orbit the earth and the planets:

"Meteorites are cold inert objects, and are attracted to the earth by gravity, just like the Moon; because they are cold objects, while the Earth is hot [and the hot object attracts the cold object].

Similarly, each planet has its own meteorites, attracted to it by gravity.

The distances of the meteorites from the earth vary according to their volumes [and masses]; so that the small will be near to the earth, and the big will be far from it.

These meteorites circle with the earth from right to left, just like the circling of the moon around the earth.

The meteorites are the remnants of some planets that were broken up in the ancient times, after their Doomsday.

Some meteorites include large amounts of metals: like iron, lead, chrome, nickel, platinum and others."

God - be glorified - said in the Quran 57: 25, which means:
(And We sent down the iron [included in the meteorites falling down from the space], in which are both keen violence and [many] benefits to people)

Explanation:
The iron present on earth is a raw material, and not free or pure: because of its great affinity to unite with the oxygen of the air, so it is found as iron oxide.

While the iron in the meteorites is free, and is not oxidized, because the oxygen [in the high altitudes] is little in amount.

People in the ancient times, were unfamiliar with the extraction of the iron from its raw form; therefore, they obtained the iron from the meteorites, of which they made various tools like knives, axes, saws …etc.

That is why God said in the Quran that He sent down the iron (included in the meteorites.)"

Anyone likes more knowledge, see this link:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Meteorites
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Meteorites
 

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The origin of mountains:

"Most of the mountains are due to the falling down of [big] meteorites on the earth in the early time of its formation."

Quran 16: 15, which means:
(And He cast [mountains] that landed firmly on the earth; lest it should totter with you; and [He made on it] rivers and ways; that you may find your way.)

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Mountains
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Meteorites orbit the earth and the planets:

"Meteorites are cold inert objects, and are attracted to the earth by gravity, just like the Moon; because they are cold objects, while the Earth is hot [and the hot object attracts the cold object].

Similarly, each planet has its own meteorites, attracted to it by gravity.

The distances of the meteorites from the earth vary according to their volumes [and masses]; so that the small will be near to the earth, and the big will be far from it.

These meteorites circle with the earth from right to left, just like the circling of the moon around the earth.

The meteorites are the remnants of some planets that were broken up in the ancient times, after their Doomsday.

Some meteorites include large amounts of metals: like iron, lead, chrome, nickel, platinum and others."

God - be glorified - said in the Quran 57: 25, which means:
(And We sent down the iron [included in the meteorites falling down from the space], in which are both keen violence and [many] benefits to people)

Explanation:
The iron present on earth is a raw material, and not free or pure: because of its great affinity to unite with the oxygen of the air, so it is found as iron oxide.

While the iron in the meteorites is free, and is not oxidized, because the oxygen [in the high altitudes] is little in amount.

People in the ancient times, were unfamiliar with the extraction of the iron from its raw form; therefore, they obtained the iron from the meteorites, of which they made various tools like knives, axes, saws …etc.

That is why God said in the Quran that He sent down the iron (included in the meteorites.)"

Anyone likes more knowledge, see this link:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Meteorites
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Meteorites




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Is there any life on Venus?

In the past, Venus had been inhabited, while now all forms of life has perished on Venus...

The itnerpreter of the Quran and the Bible, Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, said in his book The Universe and the Quran:

"In the past Venus had been inhabited: there had been human beings, animals, plants, trees and other things on Venus; but the life on Venus has ended because it has stopped its axial rotation... and all its inhabitants died, its rivers dried up and its trees burnt..
those on the day-side died by the excessive heat and thirst, and those on the night-side died by the excessive coldness and starvation.

If anyone goes to Venus and lands on the day-side, he will die from excessive heat; and if he lands on the night-side, he will suffer there from severe coldness and lack of food"

More about this topic:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_Journey_to_Venus_Is_Dangerous_
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_Journey_to_Venus_Is_Dangerous_
 

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Shove your ali hassan al hilbilly where the sun don't shine...
Nobody here believes in your quran shit anyways....
You are not about to get any converts with your proselytizing .
 

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Is there life on Mars?

There is life on Mars and the planets beyond.. the planets which keep their axial rotation .. maybe the most remote planets very cold or the axes inclination of such planets are modified in some way to let certain regions of the planet more exposed to sunlight and sun heat.

"Mars is inhabited and contains plant, trees, animals, human beings, mountains, rivers, seas and other things. Hence, the dwelling in Mars is suitable; because the traveler to Mars will find the water there available; he, too, will find ample food and much fruit, but we don’t know whether the weather, the temperature, and air-constituents there are suitable or not for the man of Earth; but we think that man can overcome these difficulties, or at least he can adapt himself to them."

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_Journey_to_Mars_Is_Successful_
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_Journey_to_Mars_Is_Successful_
 

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The immigration to Mars

The circumstances and conditions will deteriorate on earth in the future, when the earth will become slower in spinning around itself, then will stop its axial rotation ... while at that time, Mars will have better circumstances .. so people of earth will immigrate to Mars to live there.

The explanation of this is in the book The Universe and the Quran, by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_Emigration_to_Mars_
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_Emigration_to_Mars_
 

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Meeting of the people of the earth with the people of some other planets:

The people of earth and the people of some other planets may meet together .. it may be this will happen in the near future.. Mostly such meeting will be with the people of Mars, because it is the nearest planet to us.

Quran 42: 29, which means:
(And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and what He has spread abroad therein of beasts [: creatures moving on these planets], and He is All-Able to gather them if He wills.)

The interpretation:

>> (And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth)

It means: Among His signs that indicate His existence is the creation of the planets including the earth,

>> (and what He has spread abroad therein of beasts )
i.e. the creatures [: animals and human beings] that move on these planets including the Earth.

>> (and He is All-Able to gather them if He wills.)
So here God - be glorified - related such meeting to His will or if He likes to do so, and He did not affirm that such meeting will be inevitable and a must, like the 'gathering-together' of the Judgment Day, which is inevitable and a must.

This is fully explained in this link:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#An_Anticipated_Meeting_
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#An_Anticipated_Meeting_
 

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Islam Facilitated
the Golden Age of
Scientific Discovery



The Myth:


Muslims often claim that Islam fostered a rich heritage of scientific discovery, “paving the way” for modern advances in technology and medicine.

On this subject, they usually cite the period between the 7th and 13th centuries, when Europe was experiencing its “Dark Ages” and the Muslim world was acquiring new populations and culture through violent conquest.


The Truth:

Although there is no arguing that the Muslim world was relatively more advanced during this Middle Age period than the Christian world, the reasons for this have absolutely nothing to do with the Islamic religion - other than its mandate for military expansion. In fact, the religion tends to discourage knowledge outside of itself (Quran 5:101-102), which is why the most prolific Muslim scholars are mostly students of religion rather than science.

[Note that the country of Spain alone translates more learning material and literature into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the 9th century. As the Saudi Grand Mufti bluntly put it in 2010, "The Quran with its stories and knowledge are sufficient for us... we don't need the Torah, or Gospels, or any other book"].

The many fundamentalists and other devotees who dress as Muhammad did and adopt 7th century lifestyles to some degree underscore the importance of tradition in Islam. The religion is highly conservative and resistant to change, which is viewed with suspicion. As scholar Bernard Lewis points out: in Islam, an innovation is presumed to be bad unless it can be proven to be good.

Beyond this, there are four basic reasons why Islam has little true claim to scientific achievement:

First, the Muslim world benefited greatly from the Greek sciences, which were translated for them by dhimmi Christians and Jews. To their credit, Muslims did a better job of preserving Greek text than did the Europeans of the time, and this became the foundation for their own knowledge. (Although one large reason is that access by Christians to this part of their world was cut off by Muslim slave ships and coastal raids that dominated the Mediterranean during this period).

Second, many of the scientific advances credited to Islam were actually “borrowed” from other cultures conquered by the Muslims. The algebraic concept of “zero”, for example, is erroneously attributed to Islam when it was, in fact, a Hindu discovery that was merely introduced to the West by Muslims.

In truth, conquered populations contributed greatly to the history of “Muslim" science until gradually being decimated by conversion to Islam (under the pressures of dhimmitude). As Mark Steyn puts it, "When admirers talk up Islam and the great innovations and rich culture of its heyday, they forget that even at its height Muslims were never more than a minority in the Muslim world, and they were in large part living off the energy of others."

The Muslim concentration within a population is proportional to the decline of scientific achievement. It is no accident that the Muslim world has had little to show for itself in the last 800 years or so, since running out of new civilizations to cannibalize.

Third, the accomplished scientists and cultural icons who were Muslim were often considered heretics in their day, sometimes with good reason. One of the greatest achievers to come out of the Muslim world was the Persian scientist and philosopher, al-Razi. His impressive works are often held up as 'proof' of Muslim accomplishment. But what apologists often leave out is that al-Razi was denounced as a blasphemer for following his own religious beliefs – which were in obvious contradiction to traditional Islam.

Fourth, even the contributions that are attributed to Islam (often inaccurately) are not terribly dramatic. There is the 'invention' of certain words, such as alchemy and elixir (and assassin, by the way) but not much else that survives in modern technology which is of practical significance. It is also highly improbable that such discoveries would not have been made by the West following the cultural awakening triggered by the Reformation.

As an example, consider that Muslims claim credit for coffee - in the sense that they popularized knowledge that already existed with Africans who were caught up in the Arab slave trade. However, consider that the red dye used in many food products, from cranberry juice to candy, comes from the abdomen of a particular female beetle found in South America. It is extremely unlikely that Western science would not have stumbled across coffee by now.

In fact, the litany of “Muslim” achievement often takes the form of rhapsody, in which the true origins of these discoveries are omitted - along with their comparative insignificance to Western achievement. One usually doesn't hear about the dark side either. Those who brag about the great observatory of Taqi al-Din in [freshly conquered] Istanbul, for example, often neglect to mention that it was quickly destroyed by the caliphate.

At the end of the day, the record of scientific, medical and technological accomplishment is not something over which Muslim apologists want to get into a contest with the Christian and Jewish world. Today’s Islamic innovators are better known for turning Western technology, such as cell phones and airplanes, into instruments of mass murder.

To sum up, although the Islamic religion is not entirely hostile to science, neither should it be confused as a facilitator. The great achievements that are said to have come out of the Islamic world were made either by non-Muslims who happened to be under Islamic rule, or by heretics who usually had little interest in Islam. Scientific discovery tapers off dramatically as Islam asserts dominance, until it eventually peters out altogether.


[Note #1: The Organization of Islamic States (OIC) is composed of the 57 Muslim countries with 1.6 billion people. It contains 550 universities. The United States, with less than one fifth the population, has 10 times as many. In 2005, Harvard University alone produced more scientific papers than 17 Arab countries combined]

[Note #2: Few people are as outwardly zealous about the superiority of Islam over the West than the mullahs of Iran. Yet, when these same clerics need top-notch medical treatment, they shamelessly travel to Europe (such as Ayatollah Mahmoud Shahroudi in 2018). Even in their own country, there is not a single source of modern convenience that was not borrowed from the West
 

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Why any planet is near or far from the sun

The distance of the planet from the sun is governed by two factors:
1- The volume and mass of the planet: the smaller the planet is, the nearer it will be to the sun; and the larger it is the farthest it will be from the sun.
2- The [central] heat of the planet: the colder the planet is, the nearer it will be to the sun; because the sun gravity influences it more.
And the more hot the planet is the farthest from the sun will it be; because the sun gravity will have less influence on it.

Therefore, generally the planets are arranged away from the sun according to their sizes: the smallest is Mercury which is the nearest planet to the sun, and the biggest is Neptune which is the farthest from the sun.

[While concerning the surface temperature: the farthest the planet from the sun, the coldest surface it has.]

Moreover, the smallest planet loses its central heat earlier, while the biggest planet will preserve its heat later than the smaller planets.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#Why_the_planet_is_near_or_far_from_the_s
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Shock as Kayunga imam discovers his newlywed wife is a man

Saturday January 11 2020

Richard Tumushabe, 27 is detained on charges of impersonation, theft and obtaining goods by false pretence


The couple on their wedding day. PHOTOS BY FRED MUZAALE BY FRED MUZAALE


IN SUMMARY


  • Mutumba said he found 'her' at a mosque wearing a hijab and the two fell in love.
  • They did not have sex before and two weeks after their marraage ceremony.






https://www.monitor.co.ug/News/Nati.../688334-5414174-view-asAMP-rxc7rxz/index.html





 

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It is not important that man rides on a horse or rides in a car.. the important thing is the mind, heart and moral manners of man.

Therefore, the heavenly books essentially do not intend that man should ride on a horse or he should ride in a car.. the important thing is God fearing and justice.

The important thing is that man should not transgress on other servants of God or trespass their rights.

Therefore, the Torah revealed to Moses and the Quran revealed to Mohammed do not give lectures about physics or chemistry, but these heavenly books enjoin justice among mankind and that God alone should be worshiped and that idols (whether stone statues or persons) should be rejected.

What scientific miracles included in the Quran are intended only to glorify God alone, and to be a miracle of Prophet Mohammed - salam to him who was illiterate and did not know the reading and writing, and a miracle of the Mahdi who knew only the reading and writing of Arabic.

Quran 41: 53, which means:

(We will show them Our portents [indicative of the truthfulness of Mohammed] on the horizons [of the sky] and among themselves in order that it will become evident to them that [the Quran] is the truth [from God and not from Mohammed.]
Is it not enough that your Lord [is a Witness to your truthfulness, O Mohammed, and He] does witness all things?
)

The interpretation:

>> (We will show them Our portents [indicative of the truthfulness of Mohammed] on the horizons [of the sky])
It means: the portents or signs like the fixation of Moon and its cleavage, and the other extraordinary events.

>> (and among themselves) means: and We shall show them one of Our signs among them; i.e. it will descend into them, and it is one of them, of their like and their language; that is the Awaited Mahdi, who is called the Comforter in the Gospel.

Therefore, (and among themselves): This sign is the Mahdi or the Comforter who will teach and guide them, and explain the Quranic revelations that are mysterious to them, so that the signs will be both scientific and practical:

the sign of the Mehdi (or the Comforter) is a scientific one; while the signs which will appear on the horizons will be practical.

>> (in order that it will become evident to them that [the Quran] is the truth [from God and not from Mohammed])
It means: until it will be clear to them that the Quran is revealed from God, and that Mohammed did not forge or invent it, as do some of them claim.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#Awaited_Mehdi
quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_4.htm#Awaited_Mehdi
 
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Games Muslims Play:
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Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast that its oppressive practices have against 21st century values, Muslim evangelists are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths. This propaganda is, in turn, repeated verbatim by other unsuspecting (yet sincere) Muslims and well-meaning progressives outside the faith.

Here we try to expose some of these games, and help truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous and false claims about Islam and its history.





The Games:

“If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent”

“Other Religions Kill Too”

“Where Does the Quran Say to Kill Innocent People?”

Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256)

The Crusades

The Andalusian Paradise (Tolerance in Muslim Spain)

“Muhammad Never Killed Anyone!”

The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32)

"Muslims are to Only Kill in Self-Defense”

"Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context"

"Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion"

"The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic"

"Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims"
"Suicide Bombings are Against Islam"
"It's a Phobia: More People are Killed by Bathtubs Than Terrorists"

"You Can Only Learn Islam from a Muslim"

"Under Sharia, Your Loans are Interest-Free!"

 

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N. B. God - be glorified - enjoined in the Quran that man should learn and be not ignorant.. this is in so may ayat of the Quran, when the first aya revealed of the Quran told the Prophet to read:

Quran 96: 1-5, which mean:
(1. Recite [O Mohammed] in the name of your Lord Who created [the universe from non-existence.]

2. [Who] created man from the 'larva-like structure'.

3. Recite [O Mohammed], and your Lord is the Most Generous [more than all the generous.]

4. Who taught [the writing] with the pen [so that heavenly revelations, the religious knowledge and others might be written.]

5. He taught man [some knowledge and some sciences] that he did not know [before that.])

More explanation:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/96.htm#a96_1
quran-ayat.com/pret/96.htm#a96_1