Capitalism will save this world

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Was Marx a part of it all? Are we well educated enough? “The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle class—the bulwark of a capitalist system—that would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism.”
Karl Marx Was Right
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You dont work. You're not even in the Proletariat comrade. You'd be sent to a labour camp and rewarded with death like all the other lunatiks.
 
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Humans Aren’t Inherently Destroying the Planet — Capitalism Is
ne of the biggest ironies of the right-wing trope accusing socialists of wanting “free stuff” is that in reality, the entire capitalist economy would immediately collapse if it couldn’t continue to rely on free stuff. Without free or artificially cheap access to things like natural resources, care work, labor and a whole array of other elements, capitalism could not stay afloat. In fact, the only way that capitalism was ever able to even emerge was through a process of “primitive accumulation” — where things like slavery and colonialism were utilized to extract free labor and resources. It’s this oft-forgotten history that compelled Raj Patel and Jason W. Moore to write History of the World in Seven Cheap Things: A Guide to Capitalism, Nature, and the Future of the Planet. The book unpacks our modern capitalist world by tracing the fraught history of how seven elements — nature, money, work, care, food, energy and lives — were transformed and reshaped during the emergence of capitalism and up through to the modern day.
Truthout spoke with the book’s co-author Raj Patel, an activist and academic, about why the authors are calling the new geological era that we’re in the “Capitalocene,” and how this era has led to a complete transformation of how we view some of the most important elements in our lives, and what we can do about it.
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Prog shit. The more capitalist a country is the less polluted it is.
 
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Prog shit. People with money use it by either buying things for themselves and others or investing it. The invested money is putting people to work. Hording is putting money under the mattress, there it does no one any good.
 
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Was Marx a part of it all? Are we well educated enough? “The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle class—the bulwark of a capitalist system—that would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism.”



Karl Marx Was Right

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Had to chuckle about the sentence: "It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens."

Fact is, under a Marxist system, no one is able to access the debt markets and the State never has the capital to 'serve the needs of ordinary citizens' thereby assigning the great unwashed to a fate of grinding poverty right from the get-go



The Marxist systems has not worked anywhere it has been instituted.


The flaw in your logic to support this ideology is that Marxism would result in a situation that would accelerate the masses to the depths of poverty far faster than any other practice going.
 
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Except that is not how life works . You make $10 . The various levels of government take half . You spend $5 for a hot dog at the street vendor . That cost him a buck and change , the governments take $1.75 leaving him $2 , so he walks home to pay the babysitter and she takes the $2 to the government pot shop and spends it . So of your ten dollars the government ends up with $9 and you get a hot dog . The baby sitter does get a buzz though .
 
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captain morgan said:
Had to chuckle about the sentence: "It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens."

Fact is, under a Marxist system, no one is able to access the debt markets and the State never has the capital to 'serve the needs of ordinary citizens' thereby assigning the great unwashed to a fate of grinding poverty right from the get-go



The Marxist systems has not worked anywhere it has been instituted.


The flaw in your logic to support this ideology is that Marxism would result in a situation that would accelerate the masses to the depths of poverty far faster than any other practice going.
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We pretend to work and the government pretends to pay us .
 
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This is especially true when something like a corporation gets that $10.

When Exxon gets $10 of profit that $10 it simply goes toward keeping that gigantic corporation waddling along.

Imagine all that oil profit going to someone like Elon Musk or Steve Jobs or even Harbour Air.
 
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Once the air is borderline breathable, how hard is it for every city to slap a massive air filtration system?
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- Very, very hard.
- Do you expect people outside cities, or maybe just outside, to be stuck with the borderline breathable air?

Oh, there I go again, trying to answer questions that are too silly to answer; Duh!
 
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pgs said:
Except that is not how life works . You make $10 . The various levels of government take half . You spend $5 for a hot dog at the street vendor . That cost him a buck and change , the governments take $1.75 leaving him $2 , so he walks home to pay the babysitter and she takes the $2 to the government pot shop and spends it . So of your ten dollars the government ends up with $9 and you get a hot dog . The baby sitter does get a buzz though .
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That's a pretty gross exaggeration for the sake of making a point, but IF "the government ends up with $9", that $9 will also be spent - again - as part of the economic round-and-round-she-goes-again. How the govt spends that money is sure a subject for big discussion but it's not gone. It's still 'ours' although we've mostly lost control of how it will - or won't - benefit any of us individually.

I assume we could all agree that government is necessary and that it needs money to operate and regulate?
 
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