Israeli F-35s


NZDoug
#301
OH, NO !!!
They will have to give these away soon!
18 years in the making and looking worse every day.
.........
"The Pentagon’s chief weapons tester said the next-generation F-35 jet continues to fall short of full combat readiness targets and, despite some progress on reliability issues, all three versions of the fighter are breaking down “more often than planned.”
None of the Air Force, Marines and Navy variants of the Lockheed Martin Corp. fighter are meeting their five key “reliability or maintainability metrics,” Robert Behler, the Pentagon’s director of operational testing, said in prepared remarks Wednesday before two House Armed Services Committee panels.
The House subcommittees are reviewing the $428 billion program’s status and progress recovering from years of cost overruns and production delays.
“The operational suitability of the F-35 fleet remains at a level below service expectations,” Behler said in the prepared remarks. “In short, for all variants, aircraft are breaking down more often than planned and taking longer to fix.”
His statement is a reality check just weeks after the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin announced that they finalized the largest contract in the program’s history, a deal valued at $34 billion for 478 additional aircraft. About $27 billion of F-35s have already been placed on contract even though the program hasn’t completed all its combat testing and struggles with reliability.
Lockheed Martin F-35 program manager Greg Ulmer said after the hearing that he doesn’t “necessarily agree” with Behler’s characterization. “If you look lot-over-lot, reliability and maintainability is significantly better for the airplanes delivering off the line,” he said, while acknowledging there were some outstanding issues “and we are going after them.”
The program continues in its most rigorous phase of combat testing, a stage that will stretch into next year. So far, 458 jets have been fielded out of about 3,500 planned purchases by U.S. and allies from Australia to Poland. Pentagon approval for full-rate production, delayed from December, looms for 2020.
Even with that 2020 target approaching, analysis to date shows that neither the Marine Corps nor Navy F-35 models are currently “on track” to meet their reliability metrics even as they log more hours, according to the latest assessment.
Among the key lagging metrics cited by Behler are “mean flight hours between critical failure” -- a data point that refers to the time between failures that result in the loss of capability to perform a mission-critical task, or mean time between part removals for replacement from the supply chain."
More:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...20Bird%20Brief
 
Curious Cdn
-1
#302
The one cool thing about them is that you can fly them off of mini aircraft carriers ... like the ones that the Japanese and Australians have. The damned planes cost as much each as a Frigate, though and who the hell is going to spend all that to have an air wing of four planes?
 
NZDoug
#303
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

The one cool thing about them is that you can fly them off of mini aircraft carriers ... like the ones that the Japanese and Australians have. The damned planes cost as much each as a Frigate, though and who the hell is going to spend all that to have an air wing of four planes?

Its like a guaranteed life with the losers who propagate bull shirt.
Alls well.
 
spilledthebeer
#304
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

OH, No!!!
Another fly in the fly’s ointment.
It's official: top Pentagon officials will NOT clear the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter for full-rate production this year, after setbacks during a crucial testing phase.
Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment Ellen Lord on Friday said officials may not sign off on the F-35 full-rate production milestone -- a sign of confidence in the program to produce more fighter jets -- until as far out as January 2021 because of the latest testing lapse.
"I'm going to make some decisions about when that full-rate production decision will be made shortly," Lord said at a briefing at the Pentagon Friday.
Last month, it was revealed that the Lockheed Martin-made F-35 would not complete its already-delayed formal operational test phase by the new fall deadline due to a setback in the testing process.
Military.com first reported that while F-35 Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E) was supposed to be complete by late summer, the testing was incomplete due to an unfinished phase known as the Joint Simulation Environment. The F-35 Joint Program Office and Pentagon at the time confirmed the delay.
"We are not making as quick progress on the Joint Simulation Environment integrating the F-35 into it," Lord told reporters during the briefing. "It is a critical portion of IOT&E," she said, adding inspectors need to get JSE "absolutely correct" before further testing can be done.
The Office of the Secretary of Defense would be the authority to sign off on the decision, moving the program out of its low-rate initial production (LRIP) stage.
More
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...uyer-says.html
Keep away from this dud, bud.






HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nut Zone Doug resumes whining about the F 35!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Gosh NUT........................should we assume that development of the new RED Chinese super weapons....................


is running as smoothly as the Russian version of super weapons??????????????????????


So now instead of boasting about SCARY NEW RED CHINESE weapons................................


that are ACTUALLY failing to scare the Yankees...........................


you are now reduced yet again to trying to persuade the Yankees not to arm themselves............................


with weapons your SOVIET MASTERS CANNOT BEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
MHz
#305
The only problem with the F-35 is picking up all the parts after it gets blasted out of the air. It was a test bet for drone pilots dumbass. Might as well call it a supersonic helicopter.
 
spilledthebeer
#306
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

The only problem with the F-35 is picking up all the parts after it gets blasted out of the air. It was a test bet for drone pilots dumbass. Might as well call it a supersonic helicopter.




Uh huh..............................


and we call you a SUPER CHARGED MANURE SPREADER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Too bad the only crop that can be grown in your BULLSHIT



is PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
NZDoug
#307
OH, NO !!! They will have to give these away soon!
....................................
Turkey officially kicked out of F-35 program, costing US half a billion dollars.
WASHINGTON — The U.S. has removed Turkey from the F-35 joint strike fighter program, and Turkey will lose its production work on the jet by March 2020, following its acceptance of the S-400 Russian-made air defense system last Friday.
However, a top Pentagon official would not close the door on Turkey rejoining the program in some form, should it reverse the decision to buy the S-400.
The White House issued a statement Wednesday confirming the move, which Washington had threatened for months.
“Turkey’s decision to purchase Russian S-400 air defense systems renders its continued involvement with the F-35 impossible,” the White House statement read. “The F-35 cannot coexist with a Russian intelligence collection platform that will be used to learn about its advanced capabilities.”
“Turkey has been a longstanding and trusted partner and NATO Ally for over 65 years, but accepting the S-400 undermines the commitments all NATO Allies made to each other to move away from Russian systems," the statement continued.
“Turkey cannot field a Russian intelligence collection platform in proximity to where the F-35 program makes repairs, and houses the F-35,” Lord said. “Much of the F-35′s strength lies in its stealth capabilities, so the ability to detect those capabilities would jeopardize the long term security of the F-35 program. We seek only to protect the long term security of the F-35 program.”
Turkey, a partner in the F-35 program that helped fund the development of the jet, planned to buy 100 F-35As. Its first jet was rolled out in June 2018 in a festive “delivery ceremony." Though Turkey formally owns its jets, the U.S. has said it has the power to keep the planes from moving to Turkish soil and intends to keep all four existing Turkish jets from leaving the U.S.
Lord avoided saying that the door was shut on Turkey returning to the program should the S-400 be removed from its soil and repeatedly used the term “suspension” to characterize Turkey’s status in the F-35 program. When asked twice whether Turkey could be welcomed back if the situation changes, Lord did not give a direct answer one way or the other.
“At this point, the Turks have made a decision. We have said the F-35 and S-400 are incompatible. We will work forward at this point to unwind the relationship," she said.
All Turkish F-35 personnel have been informed they must leave the U.S. by July 31, including 20 individuals assigned to the Joint Program Office. Neither official would comment on if any of those individuals have requested asylum.
By March 2020, Turkey’s industrial participation in the F-35 program, which includes production on about 900 parts for the stealthy fighter, will be “unwound." Lord said the projection is this will cost Turkey’s economy around $9 billion over the life of the program. American suppliers will initially fill those production roles, but the goal is to eventually farm some of it out to other partners.
Lord said the process will have “minimal” impacts on the larger F-35 program because of the planning that has already gone on for several months.
To move the production from Turkey to the U.S. will require between $500-$600 million in nonrecurring engineering costs, Lord said. Which partners, if any, would be willing to buy the F-35s already in production for Turkey was still being worked out.
Trachtenberg consistently delivered the same message over and over: that this situation is not one that should impact the broader NATO alliance. That includes Turkey’s participation in NATO exercises, particularly upcoming events in Georgia, Germany and Ukraine.
more
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019...-f-35-program/
Looking' good for NATO! NOT!!! (Borat Voice)
 
spilledthebeer
#308
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

OH, NO !!! They will have to give these away soon!
....................................
Turkey officially kicked out of F-35 program, costing US half a billion dollars.
WASHINGTON — The U.S. has removed Turkey from the F-35 joint strike fighter program, and Turkey will lose its production work on the jet by March 2020, following its acceptance of the S-400 Russian-made air defense system last Friday.
However, a top Pentagon official would not close the door on Turkey rejoining the program in some form, should it reverse the decision to buy the S-400.
The White House issued a statement Wednesday confirming the move, which Washington had threatened for months.
“Turkey’s decision to purchase Russian S-400 air defense systems renders its continued involvement with the F-35 impossible,” the White House statement read. “The F-35 cannot coexist with a Russian intelligence collection platform that will be used to learn about its advanced capabilities.”
“Turkey has been a longstanding and trusted partner and NATO Ally for over 65 years, but accepting the S-400 undermines the commitments all NATO Allies made to each other to move away from Russian systems," the statement continued.
“Turkey cannot field a Russian intelligence collection platform in proximity to where the F-35 program makes repairs, and houses the F-35,” Lord said. “Much of the F-35′s strength lies in its stealth capabilities, so the ability to detect those capabilities would jeopardize the long term security of the F-35 program. We seek only to protect the long term security of the F-35 program.”
Turkey, a partner in the F-35 program that helped fund the development of the jet, planned to buy 100 F-35As. Its first jet was rolled out in June 2018 in a festive “delivery ceremony." Though Turkey formally owns its jets, the U.S. has said it has the power to keep the planes from moving to Turkish soil and intends to keep all four existing Turkish jets from leaving the U.S.
Lord avoided saying that the door was shut on Turkey returning to the program should the S-400 be removed from its soil and repeatedly used the term “suspension” to characterize Turkey’s status in the F-35 program. When asked twice whether Turkey could be welcomed back if the situation changes, Lord did not give a direct answer one way or the other.
“At this point, the Turks have made a decision. We have said the F-35 and S-400 are incompatible. We will work forward at this point to unwind the relationship," she said.
All Turkish F-35 personnel have been informed they must leave the U.S. by July 31, including 20 individuals assigned to the Joint Program Office. Neither official would comment on if any of those individuals have requested asylum.
By March 2020, Turkey’s industrial participation in the F-35 program, which includes production on about 900 parts for the stealthy fighter, will be “unwound." Lord said the projection is this will cost Turkey’s economy around $9 billion over the life of the program. American suppliers will initially fill those production roles, but the goal is to eventually farm some of it out to other partners.
Lord said the process will have “minimal” impacts on the larger F-35 program because of the planning that has already gone on for several months.
To move the production from Turkey to the U.S. will require between $500-$600 million in nonrecurring engineering costs, Lord said. Which partners, if any, would be willing to buy the F-35s already in production for Turkey was still being worked out.
Trachtenberg consistently delivered the same message over and over: that this situation is not one that should impact the broader NATO alliance. That includes Turkey’s participation in NATO exercises, particularly upcoming events in Georgia, Germany and Ukraine.
more
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019...-f-35-program/
Looking' good for NATO! NOT!!! (Borat Voice)




Poor stupid Nut Zone Doug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He has run out of Red Chinese propaganda and is now rehashing his old crap!!!!!!!!!!


Turkey is a Muslim country - in a world were Muslims are too often at war...........................


with everybody else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankees ARE WISE not to hand over their latest and best weapon to Turks...........................


working with BADLY DIVIDED LOYALTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is for the SAME REASON that Canada WILL NOT be permitted FULL ACCESS ............................


to the F 35 software if ever Cdn govt should buy some of the jets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Canada is NO LONGER A TRUSTED ALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


Thanks to Our idiot Boy and his LOSER LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE HAND WRITING is on the wall.........................................


AND IN THE BRIT BALLOT BOXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Boris Johnson win that puts Britain FULL SPEED AHEAD out of the European Union.......................


is a clear and graphic REPUDIATION of LIE-beral values!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The minority govt of Our idiot Boy is another repudiation of LIE-beral values!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And a FAILED IMPEACHMENT of Trump and his probable RE-ELECTION ...........................................


will PUT THE NAILS into the coffin in which LIE-beral values will be buried!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Beijing Butchers have been HUMBLED by the Hong Kong protestors........................................ .


but at least the Russians have extinguished the fire in their aircraft carrier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Russian hopes for a hyper missile that is more dangerous to enemies than to Russian villagers........................


SEEMS TO BE DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- Chinese and Russian super weapons are about as effective as Nut Zone Doug propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning USELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
 
NZDoug
#309
One fighter that does it all !!!
Not the F35....
...........................................
The Air Force is issuing contracts for its new F-15EX fighter jet]In a presolicitation notice recently posted on the government's acquisition and awards website, beta.sam.gov, the service announced it will sole-source two contracts, one for the F-15EX and the other for its F110 engines.
The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center "intends to award a sole source indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) contract to The Boeing Company for a refresh to the F-15C/D fleet and augment the F-15E fleet," one solicitation reads. The Defense Department expects a response from Boeing by February 7.
The center also intends to award another ID/IQ contract to General Electric Aviation "to provide F110 propulsion systems to meet the F-15EX weapons system requirement," according to the second notice, which has the same response due date.
The Air Force wants at least eight new F-15 "fourth-plus" variants in its inventory. Boeing has said the fighter will be equipped with better avionics and radars and could carry more than two dozen air-to-air missiles.
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...0-1/?r=AU&IR=T
 
Walter
#310
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

One fighter that does it all !!!
Not the F35....
...........................................
The Air Force is issuing contracts for its new F-15EX fighter jet]In a presolicitation notice recently posted on the government's acquisition and awards website, beta.sam.gov, the service announced it will sole-source two contracts, one for the F-15EX and the other for its F110 engines.
The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center "intends to award a sole source indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) contract to The Boeing Company for a refresh to the F-15C/D fleet and augment the F-15E fleet," one solicitation reads. The Defense Department expects a response from Boeing by February 7.
The center also intends to award another ID/IQ contract to General Electric Aviation "to provide F110 propulsion systems to meet the F-15EX weapons system requirement," according to the second notice, which has the same response due date.
The Air Force wants at least eight new F-15 "fourth-plus" variants in its inventory. Boeing has said the fighter will be equipped with better avionics and radars and could carry more than two dozen air-to-air missiles.
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...0-1/?r=AU&IR=T

The article says the f-35 is part of their arsenal, as well as a bunch of other fighters. Fake comment at the top of the post. Shameful.
The Air Force expects to keep a well-rounded mix of fourth- and fifth-generation aircraft through the 2030s, including the F-35A Joint Strike Fighter, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-22 Raptor, A-10 Thunderbolt II and F-15 Eagle/Strike Eagle
Last edited by Walter; Feb 2nd, 2020 at 11:16 PM..
 
NZDoug
#311
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

The article says the f-35 is part of their arsenal, as well as a bunch of other fighters. Fake comment at the top of the post. Shameful.
The Air Force expects to keep a well-rounded mix of fourth- and fifth-generation aircraft through the 2030s, including the F-35A Joint Strike Fighter, F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-22 Raptor, A-10 Thunderbolt II and F-15 Eagle/Strike Eagle

The shame ! The shame !
The freekin' piece o' crap can't shoot straight !!!
.................................................. ..........................
"Add a gun that can’t shoot straight to the problems that dog Lockheed Martin Corp.’s $428 billion F-35 program, including more than 800 software flaws.
The 25mm gun on Air Force models of the Joint Strike Fighter has “unacceptable” accuracy in hitting ground targets and is mounted in housing that’s cracking, the Pentagon’s test office said in its latest assessment of the costliest U.S. weapons system.
The annual assessment by Robert Behler, the Defense Department’s director of operational test and evaluation, doesn’t disclose any major new failings in the plane’s flying capabilities. But it flags a long list of issues that his office said should be resolved -- including 13 described as Category 1 “must-fix” items that affect safety or combat capability -- before the F-35’s upcoming $22 billion Block 4 phase.
The number of software deficiencies totaled 873 as of November, according to the report obtained by Bloomberg News in advance of its release as soon as Friday. That’s down from 917 in September 2018, when the jet entered the intense combat testing required before full production, including 15 Category 1 items. What was to be a year of testing has now been extended another year until at least October.
“Although the program office is working to fix deficiencies, new discoveries are still being made, resulting in only a minor decrease in the overall number” and leaving “many significant‘’ ones to address, the assessment said.
Cybersecurity ‘Vulnerabilities’
In addition, the test office said cybersecurity “vulnerabilities” that it identified in previous reports haven’t been resolved. The report also cites issues with reliability, aircraft availability and maintenance systems.
The assessment doesn’t deal with findings that are emerging in the current round of combat testing, which will include 64 exercises in a high-fidelity simulator designed to replicate the most challenging Russian, Chinese, North Korean and Iranian air defenses.
Despite the incomplete testing and unresolved flaws, Congress continues to accelerate F-35 purchases, adding 11 to the Pentagon’s request in 2016 and in 2017, 20 in fiscal 2018, 15 last year and 20 this year. The F-35 continues to attract new international customers such as Poland and Singapore. Japan is the biggest foreign customer, followed by Australia and the U.K.
By late September, 490 F-35s had been delivered and will require extensive retrofitting. The testing office said those planes were equipped with six different versions of software, with another on the way by the time that about 1,000 planes will be in the hands of the U.S. and foreign militaries.
A spokesmen for the Pentagon’s F-35 program office had no immediate comment on the testing office’s report.
Brett Ashworth, a spokesman for Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed, said that “although we have not seen the report, the F-35 continues to mature and is the most lethal, survivable and connected fighter in the world.” He said “reliability continues to improve, with the global fleet averaging greater than 65% mission capable rates and operational units consistently performing near 75%.”
The Mattis Test
Still, the testing office said “no significant portion” of the U.S.’s F-35 fleet “was able to achieve and sustain” a September 2019 goal mandated by then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis: that the aircraft be capable 80% of the time needed to perform at least one type of combat mission. That target is known as the “Mission Capable” rate.
“However, individual units were able to achieve the 80% target for short periods during deployed operations,” the report said. All the aircraft models lagged “by a large margin” behind the more demanding goal of “Full Mission Capability.”
The Air Force’s F-35 model had the best rate at being fully mission capable, while the Navy’s fleet “suffered from a particularly poor” rate, the test office said. The Marine Corps version was “roughly midway” between the other two.
The Air Force and Navy versions are also continuing to have cracks in structural components, according to the report, saying, “The effect on F-35 service life and the need for additional inspection requirements are still being determined.”
Gun Woes
The three F-35 models are all equipped with 25mm guns. The Navy and Marine versions are mounted externally and have acceptable accuracy. But the Air Force model’s gun is mounted inside the plane, and the test office “considers the accuracy, as installed, unacceptable” due to “misalignments” in the gun’s mount that didn’t meet specifications.
The mounts are also cracking, forcing the Air Force to restrict the gun’s use. The program office has “made progress with changes to gun installation” to improve accuracy but they haven’t been tested yet, according to the report."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...oster-of-flaws
 
spilledthebeer
#312
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

One fighter that does it all !!!
Not the F35....
...........................................
The Air Force is issuing contracts for its new F-15EX fighter jet]In a presolicitation notice recently posted on the government's acquisition and awards website, beta.sam.gov, the service announced it will sole-source two contracts, one for the F-15EX and the other for its F110 engines.
The Air Force Life Cycle Management Center "intends to award a sole source indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) contract to The Boeing Company for a refresh to the F-15C/D fleet and augment the F-15E fleet," one solicitation reads. The Defense Department expects a response from Boeing by February 7.
The center also intends to award another ID/IQ contract to General Electric Aviation "to provide F110 propulsion systems to meet the F-15EX weapons system requirement," according to the second notice, which has the same response due date.
The Air Force wants at least eight new F-15 "fourth-plus" variants in its inventory. Boeing has said the fighter will be equipped with better avionics and radars and could carry more than two dozen air-to-air missiles.
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...0-1/?r=AU&IR=T




POOR STUPID Nut Zone Doug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It vexes him greatly that the vaunted Russian hypersonic missiles have turned out to be MORE DANGEROUS



to Russian villagers than to Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even worse - the ability of his Red China pals to expand their military IN ANY WAY...................


is being SERIOUSLY COMPROMISED by the Trump trade war.........................


by the political black eyes that Red China Butchers have been getting over reports of their SLAVE LABOUR CAMPS


and by their humiliation at the hands of Hong Kong protestors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now Red China is being CRIPPLED by the staggering cost to contain the Wuhan Virus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In related news - IT IRKS Nut Zone Doug greatly that Yankees have announced they have a new missile system



READY AND WAITING for those Russian hypersonic missiles - if any ever actually GET LAUNCHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Nut Zone Doug is HORRIBLY DISMAYED that the Yankee F35 WORKS JUST FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that Yankees are now working on NEXT GENERATION FIGHTERS that will render Red Chinese and Russian



FIRST GENERATION STEALTH FIGHTERS EVEN MORE OBSOLETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Gosh Nut Zone Doug - maybe you should hop on a plane and burn a few THOUSAND GALLONS OF FOSSIL FUEL


ON YOUR WAY TO A HOLIDAY SPOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont worry - the Yankees will be waiting for you to come back and spew some more CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Soviets BLUSTER - AND YANKEES BUILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
NZDoug
#313
Elon Musk states manned fighter jets are obsolete.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKJ-uS55mhM&t=51s
Didn't Diefenbaker say that when we killed the Arrow?
Time to put money into people and not WMDs.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#314
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Elon Musk states manned fighter jets are obsolete.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKJ-uS55mhM&t=51s
Didn't Diefenbaker say that when we killed the Arrow?
Time to put money into people and not WMDs.




So WHY are your Red Chinese masters working SO HARD to build.......................


a MANNED STEALTH FIGHTER???????????????????????????


Is your sudden support for un-manned machines some sort of admission that Chinese jets..............................


have the same quality control issues as most Chinese consumer products?????????????????????????
 
petros
+1
#315
Chinese jets are garbage.
 
NZDoug
#316
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Chinese jets are garbage.

Quick fix - Cancel 231 Boeing airliners ordered from Boeing.
Whatch China buy up some collapsed airlines to add to the fleet due to Boeing stumbles.
Hey buddy, can you spare me a me a Dreamliner?
 
spilledthebeer
#317
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Quick fix - Cancel 231 Boeing airliners ordered from Boeing.
Whatch China buy up some collapsed airlines to add to the fleet due to Boeing stumbles.
Hey buddy, can you spare me a me a Dreamliner?






HEY TURNIP.....................................


Have you looked at what Wuhan Virus is DOING to the tourist industry these days??????????????????????????


An airline IS NOT a good investment these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
petros
+1
#318
How did it go from fighter jets to airliners?
 
NZDoug
#319
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How did it go from fighter jets to airliners?

Look at the big picture
😱
 
petros
+1
#320
Unmanned airliners is a pretty big picture.
 
NZDoug
#321
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Unmanned airliners is a pretty big picture.

Agree.
MH370 disappearing and the Kraut guy flying into the mountain 2 years ago make this inevitable.
Eliminate pilot error and/ or mental health problems in one go.
All flight training can go to Vegas.
 
petros
+1
#322
It's still extremely safe.
 
spilledthebeer
#323
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

How did it go from fighter jets to airliners?




Flip back a few lines of post .....................................


and blame Nut Zone Doug.........................................


it was HIS subject change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is typical Nut Zone and LIE-beral CRAP...............................


change the subject when you are being made to look a bigger fool than usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
NZDoug
#324
Praise your God that Canada hasn't purchased this pile of junk.
Air New Zealand uses the SAPs system for its logistics , why the complications?
...............................
Congressional watchdog skeptical on new F-35 logistics system.
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is moving forward on a redesign of the F-35’s troubled logistics system, but a congressional watchdog organization is urging the department to hammer out critical details such as the cost and technical risks associated with the new system.
Earlier this year, the F-35 Joint Program Office announced that it would be doing away with the Lockheed Martin-designed Autonomic Logistics Information System, or ALIS, which is used to track and order spare parts, conduct mission planning, guide maintainers through repairs, and other key functions necessary to support the Joint Strike Fighter.
Due to longstanding performance problems with ALIS, the Defense Department intends to co-develop a new cloud-based replacement with Lockheed known as the Operational Data Integrated Network, or ODIN, which would be fielded by 2022.
But in a new report released Monday, the Government Accountability Office noted that the Department of Defense still needs to solidify the acquisition strategy and goals of ODIN.
“As DOD proceeds with replacing ALIS with ODIN, it will be imperative for the department to carefully consider and assess the key technical and programmatic uncertainties discussed in this report,” the GAO stated. “These issues … are complex, and will require significant direction and leadership to resolve.”
Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Mike Andrews said in a statement that the move to ODIN will create “a new, cloud native system that incorporates a new integrated data environment and a new suite of user-centered applications” and include strengthened cyber protections as well as real-time monitoring of system performance.
Although the GAO did not finish its report until this month, it primarily based its findings on data from fiscal 2019, meaning that the report may not take into account the F-35 program’s newest information on ODIN.
However, the GAO raised questions about the scope of the ODIN program, most of which have not publicly been answered.
“DOD lacks clarity about the goals of the re-design, such as the capabilities that will be included in the future system and the extent to which ALIS will be hosted in the cloud,” the organization stated.
“In addition, DOD has not fully assessed key risks or uncertainties, including the extent to which DOD can adopt an Agile software development approach or manage the system itself. Finally, because it has not answered key questions about the future of the system, such as the extent to which the re-design will incorporate current ALIS software, DOD has not been able to develop accurate cost estimates for the ALIS re-design.”
more
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020...istics-system/
 
Tecumsehsbones
#325
The F-35 is hopelessly out of date, completely superseded by the F-52 "Bonespur."
 
spilledthebeer
#326
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Praise your God that Canada hasn't purchased this pile of junk.
Air New Zealand uses the SAPs system for its logistics , why the complications?
...............................
Congressional watchdog skeptical on new F-35 logistics system.
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is moving forward on a redesign of the F-35’s troubled logistics system, but a congressional watchdog organization is urging the department to hammer out critical details such as the cost and technical risks associated with the new system.
Earlier this year, the F-35 Joint Program Office announced that it would be doing away with the Lockheed Martin-designed Autonomic Logistics Information System, or ALIS, which is used to track and order spare parts, conduct mission planning, guide maintainers through repairs, and other key functions necessary to support the Joint Strike Fighter.
Due to longstanding performance problems with ALIS, the Defense Department intends to co-develop a new cloud-based replacement with Lockheed known as the Operational Data Integrated Network, or ODIN, which would be fielded by 2022.
But in a new report released Monday, the Government Accountability Office noted that the Department of Defense still needs to solidify the acquisition strategy and goals of ODIN.
“As DOD proceeds with replacing ALIS with ODIN, it will be imperative for the department to carefully consider and assess the key technical and programmatic uncertainties discussed in this report,” the GAO stated. “These issues … are complex, and will require significant direction and leadership to resolve.”
Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Mike Andrews said in a statement that the move to ODIN will create “a new, cloud native system that incorporates a new integrated data environment and a new suite of user-centered applications” and include strengthened cyber protections as well as real-time monitoring of system performance.
Although the GAO did not finish its report until this month, it primarily based its findings on data from fiscal 2019, meaning that the report may not take into account the F-35 program’s newest information on ODIN.
However, the GAO raised questions about the scope of the ODIN program, most of which have not publicly been answered.
“DOD lacks clarity about the goals of the re-design, such as the capabilities that will be included in the future system and the extent to which ALIS will be hosted in the cloud,” the organization stated.
“In addition, DOD has not fully assessed key risks or uncertainties, including the extent to which DOD can adopt an Agile software development approach or manage the system itself. Finally, because it has not answered key questions about the future of the system, such as the extent to which the re-design will incorporate current ALIS software, DOD has not been able to develop accurate cost estimates for the ALIS re-design.”
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020...istics-system/






The SOVIET STOOGE comments on a subject he knows NOTHING ABOUT!


And offers ONLY such facts as his Red Chinese handlers want him to know and dicuss!
 
NZDoug
#327
Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
☮️
 
spilledthebeer
+2
#328
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
☮️




Apparently Nut Zone Doug is finding it to be QUITE HARD to sell his Red Chinese propaganda these days!


And in TRUE Soviet Socialist LIE-beral fashion - he prefers censorship over producing more valid and logical arguments!
 
NZDoug
#329
Oh No !!!
All options are on the table, especially cutting the quantity.
Canada is wise to avoid these p.o.s.
Good work, Justin!


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"Top Marine ‘signaling’ to industry that F-35 cuts are on the table"
Marine Commandant Gen. David Berger told reporters Wednesday that he is a firm believer in the capabilities the F-35 is bringing, in particular the jump-jet B model favored by the service. However, Berger made it clear he’s not wedded to long-term procurement plans, at a time the corps is shedding legacy missions as it pivots to focus to a primarily naval-focused service.
Berger noted that an upcoming independent review of his force posture plans, expected to be completed in the next few months, could be a forcing function for more changes. Already, his planning guidance to the corps changed how many planes are featured in each F-35 squad, from 16 to 10.
Longstanding plans call for the Marines to procure 353 of the F-35B and 67 of the F-35C carrier variants.
“Right now, the program of record plows ahead as it is,” he said. “But I’m signaling to the industry, we have to be prepared to adjust as the operating environment adjusts. Right now, the program of record stays the same, but we will — we must — adapt to the adversary and we must adapt to the operating environment that we’re challenged with being in.”
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020...-on-the-table/
 
spilledthebeer
#330
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Oh No !!!
All options are on the table, especially cutting the quantity.
Canada is wise to avoid these p.o.s.
Good work, Justin!


.........................................
"Top Marine ‘signaling’ to industry that F-35 cuts are on the table"
Marine Commandant Gen. David Berger told reporters Wednesday that he is a firm believer in the capabilities the F-35 is bringing, in particular the jump-jet B model favored by the service. However, Berger made it clear he’s not wedded to long-term procurement plans, at a time the corps is shedding legacy missions as it pivots to focus to a primarily naval-focused service.
Berger noted that an upcoming independent review of his force posture plans, expected to be completed in the next few months, could be a forcing function for more changes. Already, his planning guidance to the corps changed how many planes are featured in each F-35 squad, from 16 to 10.
Longstanding plans call for the Marines to procure 353 of the F-35B and 67 of the F-35C carrier variants.
“Right now, the program of record plows ahead as it is,” he said. “But I’m signaling to the industry, we have to be prepared to adjust as the operating environment adjusts. Right now, the program of record stays the same, but we will — we must — adapt to the adversary and we must adapt to the operating environment that we’re challenged with being in.”
more
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020...-on-the-table/






Pity poor Nut Zone Doug!


His Red Chinese masters are pushing him hard to crank out that crude Soviet Socialist Propaganda!


Beijing Butchers DO NOT want to talk about that Vietnamese fishing boat that a Chinese destroyer rammed and sank


because the Viets were not being properly respectful of the UNILATERAL Beijing Butcher declaration that HUGE SWATHS of



previously open ocean ARE NOW BEING CLAIMED AS TERRITORIAL WATERS by Beijing!





Beijing is openly defying and bullying FIVE other countries by denying them fishing rights in what used to be


their own home waters!


Red Chinese actions in grabbing and fortifying islands claimed by various other govts in the South China Sea


are MORE LIKELY to encourage sales of F 35`s than the reverse - but this a point that is TOO SUBTLE


for a crude propagandist like Nut Zone Doug!!
 

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