UK Gov In Turmoil & Bexit Mess.

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When did you say rationing ended in the UK?
Oh and when did you pay off your war debt, again?

So because we had rationing and had a war debt means we lost WWII, even though we were never invaded by Germany (thanks to the RAF and RN) and never became part of the Third Reich, which didn't last 1000 years as the Nazis intended because the British crushed it, leaving Britain today free from the Third Reich and Germany without it?

Yep. Another world beater from you. I've known moss with better logic than you and crayon marks with a higher level of intelligence.
 

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So because we had rationing and had a war debt means we lost WWII, even though we were never invaded by Germany (thanks to the RAF and RN) and never became part of the Third Reich, which didn't last 1000 years as the Nazis intended because the British crushed it, leaving Britain today free from the Third Reich and Germany without it?
Yep. Another world beater from you. I've known moss with better logic than you and crayon marks with a higher level of intelligence.
It was the end of the British Empire.

You were one of the losers.
 

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You were one of the losers.

So because Britain sustained damage as a result of the war that means it lost?

I was taught at school that Britain successfully defended itself from invasion and that Germany's Third Reich - which Germany wanted to last 1000 years - is no more. Therefore, we won.

As for the British Empire, the Nazis were big admirers of it, remember.
 

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RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Forget the Brexit doomsters... toilet roll shortage or not, we will be OK

By Richard Littlejohn for the Daily Mail
11 Oct 2019



Just when you thought Project Fear couldn't get any dafter, along come some of the most bizarre scare stories yet.

The first was a warning that toilet paper will be in short supply if Britain leaves the EU without a deal.

According to one manufacturer: 'Stocks are not unlimited and will not withstand long-term border delays or panic buying.'

Are they seriously suggesting we could soon be seeing people panic buying bog rolls, fighting in the aisles over the last multi-pack of Charmin quilted?

Even if there is a shortage, we'll manage. Soft toilet paper is a relatively recent luxury. In living memory many homes made do with cut-up newspapers and could again in an emergency.

The Guardian would be eminently suitable for such a purpose.

I'm sure it won't come to that, though. Frankly, I don't believe any of these hysterical doomsday scenarios with which we have been bombarbed ever since we voted Leave.

Toilet tissue is simply the latest commodity we are told will disappear from the shelves if we 'crash out' of the EU, along with everything from vital medicines to fancy sparkling water.

The society magazine Tatler has published a cut-out-and-keep guide to those essentials its readers should stockpile.

I'd like to think it was tongue in cheek, but these days, with no end in sight to Brexit Derangement Syndrome, you never can tell.

Anyway, top priority should be given to buying up all available supplies of Evian mineral water, which can also be used for washing and flushing toilets when the mains water and sewage system collapses due to Brexit.

Tatler readers are also advised to stock up on Le Creuset saucepans, L'Occitane en Provence almond shower gel, Veuve Clicquot champagne, Leoube Premium olive oil and Ladurée Macarons — a favourite, apparently, of the Duchess of Sussex.

Heaven forfend that Meghan might run out of pistachio-flavoured pastries.

My favourite horror story came from an unnamed Cabinet minister, who is predicting a rise in dogging in the event of a No Deal Brexit.

There's another one of those sentences I never expected to read, let alone write.

To be honest, I didn't even realise that dogging was a thing any more. It was fashionable a few years ago, but I assumed its day had passed, along with iPods and Rubik's Cubes.

For a while, the hilarious antics of dedicated doggers provided plenty of fun for this column and gave Gary a wonderful range of material for his cartoons.

Many of those gathering in car parks and local beauty spots to have casual sex, while others watched, decided to spice things up by wearing fancy dress.

I can remember reporting on a number of dogging-related incidents featuring people dressed as everything from Tinkerbell to Elvis Presley.

Inevitably, Oompa Loompas were also involved.

Could we soon see a return to these golden days of roadside debauchery?

The Government is said to be worried about a mass outbreak of dogging among lorry drivers caught up in tailbacks at the Channel ports.

According to the anonymous minister: 'One of the things we talk about in our No Deal meetings concerns hauliers and their activities. There are dogging hotspots all over the place.'

Planners are concerned that drivers facing delays of up to two-and-a-half days because they haven't got the right paperwork after October 31 will resort to having sex with strangers to pass the time.

Where did that idea come from? While one arm of the Government is fretting about serious shortages of drugs like insulin, another is drawing up contingency plans to cope with an increase in dogging.

You couldn't make it up.

Why do the planners assume that bored lorry drivers will choose to whittle away the long hours going at it like rabbits in lay-bys?

Perhaps they will use the time productively to play Sudoku or learn a foreign language.

Funnily enough, it's only British lorry drivers that ministers are exercised about. They appear to believe that foreign hauliers have no appetite for dogging.

Even so, what is the Government proposing to do about it? There aren't enough coppers to go round, as it is.

And those we do have all seem to have been drafted into London to deal with the climate change maniacs.

Will the fire brigade be called in to turn the hoses on them?

Or, more likely, will teams of sexual health workers be employed to hand out free condoms, on the basis that if lorry drivers must indulge in dogging at least we can encourage them to practise safe dogging.

I'm afraid if you were expecting a learned treatise on Brexit from me today, you'll be disappointed.

No one has got the faintest idea what's going to happen.

And anyone who says they have is a liar.

Maybe Boris and Lenny Verruca will cobble together some shoddy compromise on the Irish bus-stop.

Perhaps the Eurocrats will drop their overt hostility to Brexit and cease insulting our intelligence.

If even half the Project Fear scare stories were true, you might have thought that people would by now be deserting Britain.

Yet only yesterday, it was revealed that record numbers of EU nationals have successfully applied to stay permanently in this country.

More than 1.5 million have already been granted settled status and the same number again are expected to apply before Christmas.

Dismal defeatists like Spread Fear Phil — making himself busy all across the airwaves yesterday — continue to paint a picture of a No Deal Britain turning into a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

Clearly, it's not a vision shared by EU immigrants who have made their homes here. Otherwise they'd be heading back home in droves on the first available Eurostar.

No, like the 17.4 million of us who voted Leave, our new fellow countrymen and women believe a post-Brexit, properly independent Britain has a shining future.

And, if all else fails, at least there's the great dogging revival to look forward to.

Somehow, despite the doomsters, I think we'll be fine — toilet roll shortage or not.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...it-doomsters-toilet-roll-shortage-not-OK.html
 

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From the UK to Catalonia – treating voters like criminals

A referendum on independence denounced as a criminal enterprise. A public vote written off as immoral and illegal. Political figures threatened with imprisonment if they even dream of pursuing the public’s desire for a clean break from old political arrangements.

But that’s enough about the outlook of Britain’s Remainer elites – let’s now look at what is happening in Catalonia...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/15/from-the-uk-to-catalonia-treating-voters-like-criminals/
 

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SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT Most Brits STILL want UK to respect Brexit result and leave, biggest poll since referendum shows

Kate Ferguson
16 Oct 2019
The Sun



THE BIGGEST Brexit poll since the referendum has revealed most Brits want the UK to respect the result and leave the EU.

Some 54 per cent of Brits said the country should now quit Brussels – regardless of how they voted in the 2016 referendum.

The ComRes survey for Channel 5 ahead of a live Brexit debate tonight revealed that 50 per cent of Brits now back Leave and only 42 per cent support Remain.

When the don’t knows are taken out, this rises to 54 per cent for Leave and 46 per cent to Remain.

The poll surveyed a whopping 26,000 Brits and is the biggest survey of public opinion since the historic vote in June 2016.

Tory MP Michael Fabricant said: “There’s been a lot of anecdotal evidence of people who voted Remain now deciding that they are so fed up with the EU’s intransigence and sclerotic behaviour that’s they would now vote Leave if they had to vote again.

“This poll shows that the desire to Leave is hardening in the UK.

“People are fed up with these drawn out negotiations which have generated a national tedium over the last three years.

“They just want Brexit done. And so do I.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexi...nd-leave-biggest-poll-since-referendum-shows/
 

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The Welsh people are backing Boris all the way in his quest to get Brexit over the line
The Welsh people are backing Boris all the way in his quest to get Brexit over the line
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Andrew RT Davies AM has represented South Wales Central in the National Assembly for Wales since 2007 and was Leader of the Welsh Conservatives between 2011 and June 2018.


Welsh politics often struggles to break through into the consciousness of a Westminster-dominated media but Tuesday was an exception as Boris Johnson and the Conservatives topped the latest YouGov poll in Wales. As someone who has been through an election or two, I always try to hit a cautionary note when it comes to such headlines. Indeed, I still wear the scars on my back from the well-documented 10-point lead in April 2017, which sadly didn’t bear fruit in the general election some weeks later… Yet polls do provide a sensible snapshot of current feeling and once again this week’s helping shows that Wales isn’t the left-wing, anti-Brexit nation that the political establishment of Labour and Plaid Cymru try to portray week in, week out. At 29 per cent, the Conservatives are four points ahead of the traditional leaders in Wales, a lead which has grown since July’s last poll. On these current numbers (and of course dangerously ignoring local factors and applying the swing to all Welsh seats equally), Conservatives could expect to win 17 constituencies in Wales. These figures are never quite accurate, but what they do typify is the ever-growing disconnect between the wishes and opinions of people in Wales and the politicians who purport to represent them. For the past three years, the political bubble in the Welsh Assembly has often been dominated by leftie luvvies standing up to tell ‘Leavers’ in Wales how they got it so awfully wrong. Yet the people seem as certain now as they were in 2016. This is reflected in the new massive ComRes poll that took the views of over 26,000 people and found 54 per cent of people are in favour of honouring the Brexit result. They have no time for the lecturing culture that exists in the corridors of power such as the Assembly, an attitude which emanates from the ‘Taffia’ and ‘Crachach’ elite (those in England hit Google!) that often dominates political think in Cardiff Bay – a group that always believe they know best, regardless of the circumstances, made up of people who rarely leave the comforts of the city and their artisan establishments. From the ‘woke’ bars and cafes they populate, you can smell the arrogance and disdain for the rest of us minions a mile off. These politicians are deaf to the voices of the majority and whilst I used to believe they were in a deep level of denial about the referendum result, it’s growing somewhat darker than that. Indeed, quite simply, it’s a blunt, straight-up ‘two fingers’ to the majority of people in Wales who voted to Leave the broken and dysfunctional EU political project by a majority in 2016. These illiberal, undemocratic luvvies have got no interest in listening to the other side and it is this blatant disregard and disrespect that is making the Assembly disconnected from the reality in the country and the people it claims to represent. In some respects, this is best summed by some of the activity in the Senedd chamber over the past few months, where we’ve spent far too much time babbling on about fringe issues that people don’t give two flying hoots about in Wales. Do Mr and Mrs Jones in Wrexham, Newtown or Pembrokeshire really give a monkey’s about the name of our institution? I certainly know the country wouldn’t back votes for prisoners or the draconian and absurd plan to legislate to ban smacking in Wales. God forbid we actually spend more than an hour a week talking about Labour’s abysmal record managing our public services or increasing prosperity in Wales over the past twenty years, when there are more pressing matters at hand. Only the political incoherents of Labour and Plaid Cymru could conjure up a plan that shows the Assembly in the worst possible light, where those behind bars get the vote, whilst hardworking and loving parents could be criminalised for bringing up their children as they see fit. And it’s why the referendum result and such polls jar with the majority of politicians who, for the large part, seem to be currently occupying some sort of parallel universe. The Assembly is letting down the people of Wales and is stunningly failing to reflect their views, which was always a danger when only 18 per cent of the institution’s members campaigned to leave the EU. It’s clouded the debate ever since and whilst I’ve been very critical of the House of Commons over the past few months, we’ve got an equally as big a problem here in the Senedd. Both institutions are out of kilter, out of touch with public opinion and they’re in for one helluva shock. It probably explains why they are so reticent about going to the people in the form of a general election. Indeed, many of these same people jump up and down about the Prime Minister every week in the Assembly but sadly their parties lack the gumption to put their views, which they claim are so well supported, to the people. So far, Boris Johnson has proven his opponents wrong every step of the way and that’s why they fear what an election might hold as the backlash from the electorate will be fierce. To think they had the gall to lambast him as a dictator! Dictators do not tend to offer their opponents the chance to remove him via the ballot box. They said he was not interested in negotiating with the European Union, but have been left with egg on their face and left stomping their feet like spoilt brats saying they’ll now reject any deal he musters. They said he wasn’t popular in Wales and that he’d drive up support for independence, yet he now tops the polls, whilst the so-called ‘Party of Wales’, Plaid Cymru, now finds itself outside the Champions League places in fifth. They accused him of shutting down debate on Brexit, but since returning to Westminster, Remainer MPs have achieved diddly bloody squat. They are for nothing and against everything. They’ve rightly been exposed as the true charlatans in this debate. And despite the efforts of certain factions in the Assembly and Parliament, the electorate remains steadfast in backing Boris all the way in his quest to get Brexit over the line. And why? Because people want to see the United Kingdom have our very own independent trade policy for the first time in fifty years. They want us to have autonomy over the rules governing our agriculture and world-leading services sector, including financial services. And people want to see our parliaments – both at Westminster and Cardiff – setting our own rules, and putting in place smarter, more responsive regulation outside the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. People across the country have had enough of the lecturing, sneering and patronising from their politicians. They want their elected representatives to get Brexit done so we can move on and focus on the cost of living, public services and cutting crime. That is what people of Wales and the rest of the United Kingdom voted for three years ago and what we as Conservatives will deliver.

https://brexitcentral.com/the-welsh...way-in-his-quest-to-get-brexit-over-the-line/
 

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The Welsh people are backing Boris all the way in his quest to get Brexit over the line
The Welsh people are backing Boris all the way in his quest to get Brexit over the line
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Andrew RT Davies AM has represented South Wales Central in the National Assembly for Wales since 2007 and was Leader of the Welsh Conservatives between 2011 and June 2018.

Welsh politics often struggles to break through into the consciousness of a Westminster-dominated media but Tuesday was an exception as Boris Johnson and the Conservatives topped the latest YouGov poll in Wales. As someone who has been through an election or two, I always try to hit a cautionary note when it comes to such headlines. Indeed, I still wear the scars on my back from the well-documented 10-point lead in April 2017, which sadly didn’t bear fruit in the general election some weeks later… Yet polls do provide a sensible snapshot of current feeling and once again this week’s helping shows that Wales isn’t the left-wing, anti-Brexit nation that the political establishment of Labour and Plaid Cymru try to portray week in, week out. At 29 per cent, the Conservatives are four points ahead of the traditional leaders in Wales, a lead which has grown since July’s last poll. On these current numbers (and of course dangerously ignoring local factors and applying the swing to all Welsh seats equally), Conservatives could expect to win 17 constituencies in Wales. These figures are never quite accurate, but what they do typify is the ever-growing disconnect between the wishes and opinions of people in Wales and the politicians who purport to represent them. For the past three years, the political bubble in the Welsh Assembly has often been dominated by leftie luvvies standing up to tell ‘Leavers’ in Wales how they got it so awfully wrong. Yet the people seem as certain now as they were in 2016. This is reflected in the new massive ComRes poll that took the views of over 26,000 people and found 54 per cent of people are in favour of honouring the Brexit result. They have no time for the lecturing culture that exists in the corridors of power such as the Assembly, an attitude which emanates from the ‘Taffia’ and ‘Crachach’ elite (those in England hit Google!) that often dominates political think in Cardiff Bay – a group that always believe they know best, regardless of the circumstances, made up of people who rarely leave the comforts of the city and their artisan establishments. From the ‘woke’ bars and cafes they populate, you can smell the arrogance and disdain for the rest of us minions a mile off. These politicians are deaf to the voices of the majority and whilst I used to believe they were in a deep level of denial about the referendum result, it’s growing somewhat darker than that. Indeed, quite simply, it’s a blunt, straight-up ‘two fingers’ to the majority of people in Wales who voted to Leave the broken and dysfunctional EU political project by a majority in 2016. These illiberal, undemocratic luvvies have got no interest in listening to the other side and it is this blatant disregard and disrespect that is making the Assembly disconnected from the reality in the country and the people it claims to represent. In some respects, this is best summed by some of the activity in the Senedd chamber over the past few months, where we’ve spent far too much time babbling on about fringe issues that people don’t give two flying hoots about in Wales. Do Mr and Mrs Jones in Wrexham, Newtown or Pembrokeshire really give a monkey’s about the name of our institution? I certainly know the country wouldn’t back votes for prisoners or the draconian and absurd plan to legislate to ban smacking in Wales. God forbid we actually spend more than an hour a week talking about Labour’s abysmal record managing our public services or increasing prosperity in Wales over the past twenty years, when there are more pressing matters at hand. Only the political incoherents of Labour and Plaid Cymru could conjure up a plan that shows the Assembly in the worst possible light, where those behind bars get the vote, whilst hardworking and loving parents could be criminalised for bringing up their children as they see fit. And it’s why the referendum result and such polls jar with the majority of politicians who, for the large part, seem to be currently occupying some sort of parallel universe. The Assembly is letting down the people of Wales and is stunningly failing to reflect their views, which was always a danger when only 18 per cent of the institution’s members campaigned to leave the EU. It’s clouded the debate ever since and whilst I’ve been very critical of the House of Commons over the past few months, we’ve got an equally as big a problem here in the Senedd. Both institutions are out of kilter, out of touch with public opinion and they’re in for one helluva shock. It probably explains why they are so reticent about going to the people in the form of a general election. Indeed, many of these same people jump up and down about the Prime Minister every week in the Assembly but sadly their parties lack the gumption to put their views, which they claim are so well supported, to the people. So far, Boris Johnson has proven his opponents wrong every step of the way and that’s why they fear what an election might hold as the backlash from the electorate will be fierce. To think they had the gall to lambast him as a dictator! Dictators do not tend to offer their opponents the chance to remove him via the ballot box. They said he was not interested in negotiating with the European Union, but have been left with egg on their face and left stomping their feet like spoilt brats saying they’ll now reject any deal he musters. They said he wasn’t popular in Wales and that he’d drive up support for independence, yet he now tops the polls, whilst the so-called ‘Party of Wales’, Plaid Cymru, now finds itself outside the Champions League places in fifth. They accused him of shutting down debate on Brexit, but since returning to Westminster, Remainer MPs have achieved diddly bloody squat. They are for nothing and against everything. They’ve rightly been exposed as the true charlatans in this debate. And despite the efforts of certain factions in the Assembly and Parliament, the electorate remains steadfast in backing Boris all the way in his quest to get Brexit over the line. And why? Because people want to see the United Kingdom have our very own independent trade policy for the first time in fifty years. They want us to have autonomy over the rules governing our agriculture and world-leading services sector, including financial services. And people want to see our parliaments – both at Westminster and Cardiff – setting our own rules, and putting in place smarter, more responsive regulation outside the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. People across the country have had enough of the lecturing, sneering and patronising from their politicians. They want their elected representatives to get Brexit done so we can move on and focus on the cost of living, public services and cutting crime. That is what people of Wales and the rest of the United Kingdom voted for three years ago and what we as Conservatives will deliver.
https://brexitcentral.com/the-welsh...way-in-his-quest-to-get-brexit-over-the-line/


Once they get rid of the Europeans, they can get back to getting rid of the Saxons, again.
 

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How about a wall?
... right along where Offa's ditch used to be?

We don't need a wall. The Welsh aren't Mexicans.

Of course, Welsh (or English, for that matter) independence is highly unlikely. The two have been joined virtually ever since they were founded.

It's the EU the Welsh want out of, not their beloved UK.
 

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Sort of like the SNC crowd from Montreal??


It is getting deeper all by itself. (just not fast enought to help anybody alive today. It will look like the African Rift does today. That rift will make the Dead Sea about a mile lower in elevation than it is today.

Just that news alone would mean the 'mainland' would have to allow everybody west of 'the crack' to become 'refugees'. (if you think this current bit of soap opera has lots of drama attached) 'Chance' is 'plan b' or some other label meant to fix what was a bad plan from the start.
Ontario and Quebec are examples of what the UK and France are like so the 'mortal enemies' is bullshit and together they rob the citizens of both countries for the benefit of 'their owners', the EU Bankers.
 
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Brexit: EU and UK reach deal but DUP refuses support

A Brexit deal has been agreed between the UK and EU before a meeting of European leaders in Brussels.

Boris Johnson and Jean-Claude Juncker called it a "fair" outcome - and the EU Commission President said there was no need to extend the Brexit deadline.

He said: "We have a deal so why should we have a prolongation."

This will be a boost for the PM, but he still faces a battle to get the deal through Parliament on Saturday, with the DUP opposing it.

Mr Johnson urged MPs to "come together" and "get this excellent deal over the line".

He added: "Now is the moment for us to get Brexit done and then together to work on building our future partnership, which I think can be incredibly positive both for the UK and for the EU."

Brexit should happen "without any more delay", he added, so that the government could turn its attentions to domestic priorities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50079385
 

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Breaking News: Juncker rules out another Brexit extension

Brexit WILL happen on 31st October with or without a deal
 

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We don't need a wall. The Welsh aren't Mexicans.

Of course, Welsh (or English, for that matter) independence is highly unlikely. The two have been joined virtually ever since they were founded.

It's the EU the Welsh want out of, not their beloved UK.
The Scots want their beloved EU
 

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The Scots want their beloved EU

They won't once Brexit occurs.

As soon as Britain is out and thrives - and Merkel recently admitted that an independent Britain will be a direct competitor to the EU like the USA and China - and the EU continues to do badly then the Scots will know that staying in the UK is far better: especially when it'll mean that Scotland rejoining the EU will have to join the Euro, which most Scots don't want.
 

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ANGELA Merkel fears Britain will become a major economic competitor to the EU like the US and China after Brexit.

The German Chancellor warned the UK will be able to do battle with the bloc for a slice of global trade once it has left.

Mrs Merkel said: “We will do all this in the knowledge that with the departure of Britain, a potential competitor will of course emerge for us.

“That is to say, in addition to China and the US, there will be Britain as well.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th.../angela-merkel-fears-post-brexit-britain/amp/