My escape plan in case Trudeau gets re-elected

taxslave

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We have enough elected representitives, they are just not equally distributed. For example the entire North half of Vancouver island has one MP while Victoria alone has several. I would like to see a weighted system where rural representives are given extra votes based either on Sq. Km of the riding or number of communities represented.
 

pgs

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We have enough elected representitives, they are just not equally distributed. For example the entire North half of Vancouver island has one MP while Victoria alone has several. I would like to see a weighted system where rural representives are given extra votes based either on Sq. Km of the riding or number of communities represented.
And we have a province that is about the size and population of Victoria .
 

Serryah

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I don't mind the party system really, I just wish the PM was the exception to the rule; as in they could be anyone, from any party, that the public votes for that wants the job, and not necessarily the leader of the party that wins.
 

taxslave

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I don't mind the party system really, I just wish the PM was the exception to the rule; as in they could be anyone, from any party, that the public votes for that wants the job, and not necessarily the leader of the party that wins.
That has been kicked around but apparently under our system it can't be done. We would have to be a republic. I think all this negative to changing how our electorial system works is by people have a vested interest in keeping it as is.
 

spilledthebeer

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I CALL extreme BULLSH+T ON THAT STATEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is my understanding that LESS THAN HALF of Yankees ..................................


cast a ballot in a typical election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Thus we can absolutely say...............................................


democracy has not failed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is the Silent Majority that has FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you dont play the game........................................


you dont get to make the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On the PLUS SIDE.............................................


BOTH United States and Canada are so POLARIZED.................................


it seems likely there will be a REALLY BIG voter turnout for the next elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

AnnaEmber

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That has been kicked around but apparently under our system it can't be done. We would have to be a republic. I think all this negative to changing how our electorial system works is by people have a vested interest in keeping it as is.
Yup. It's the same old Golden Rule: whomever has the gold makes the rules. The wealthy and powerful can afford to to lobby and buy politicians and rig the system in favour of them.
 

pgs

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Yup. It's the same old Golden Rule: whomever has the gold makes the rules. The wealthy and powerful can afford to to lobby and buy politicians and rig the system in favour of them.
Yes it is a big ugly circus .
 

spilledthebeer

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We have enough elected representitives, they are just not equally distributed. For example the entire North half of Vancouver island has one MP while Victoria alone has several. I would like to see a weighted system where rural representives are given extra votes based either on Sq. Km of the riding or number of communities represented.




OH SORRY taxslave.......................................................


YOU ARE SPOUTING MAJOR HORSESH+T THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What you advocate is the DESTRUCTION of the most basic tenets of democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I speak of the concept of "one citizen one vote"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Since we are all SUPPOSED to be equal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Too bad that LIE-berals have been trying to SCREW THAT POOCH for decades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The new "province" of Nunuvut........................................


has a TOTAL POPULATION of around 60,000 people..........................................


AND THEY ELECT TWO MP`s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning each MP represents 30,000 people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The population of PEI is over 150,000...............................................


and they elect FOUR MP`s.....................................................


with each MP representing 37,000 people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yet our always SCHEMING LIE-berals have created ridings in Ontari-owe that typically have 100,000 people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And some Ontari-owe ridings have nearly TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO MUCH FOR LIE-beral respect for "one citizen with one vote"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals SIMPLY CANNOT RESIST RIGGING anything they get their hands on................................


IN THEIR FAVOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is why Our idiot Boy was so excited about electoral reform...................................


it offered up UNPARALLELED opportunities for RIGGING the system............................................


by simply introducing so many little one issue and lunatic fringe parties..........................................


that our PARLIAMENT WOULD BE TURNED INTO AN OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In that system there would be NO DOMINANT party able to make choices and impose order.................................


and political policy would be SOLD to the highest bidder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE have only to look at the CHAOS in Italy which has the same electoral reform as Our idiot Boy wants to impose on US!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or we could look at the periodic FREEZING and potential bankruptcy of United States govt ................................


over debt issues.................................


each time Congress squabbles over debt ceilings...............................................



as a fine example of how bad it is to split up the powers of govt to much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals in United States have recently been slapped down by judges who are DISGUSTED..............................


by the constant changes to voting districts......................................


for the SOLE PURPOSE of rigging the vote in a specific area by bringing in supporters...............................


and dumping out opponents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thus....................Giving rural voters an extra vote...................................


as taxslave advocates.......................................



is the 21st century equivalent of a 17th century British "ROTTEN BOROUGH"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that Brit idea was SCORNED AS CORRUPT and shameful.................................


CENTURIES AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Taxslave should be ashamed of promoting such a disgraceful injury to democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

taxslave

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OH SORRY taxslave.......................................................


YOU ARE SPOUTING MAJOR HORSESH+T THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What you advocate is the DESTRUCTION of the most basic tenets of democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I speak of the concept of "one citizen one vote"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Since we are all SUPPOSED to be equal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Too bad that LIE-berals have been trying to SCREW THAT POOCH for decades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The new "province" of Nunuvut........................................
has a TOTAL POPULATION of around 60,000 people..........................................
AND THEY ELECT TWO MP`s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meaning each MP represents 30,000 people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The population of PEI is over 150,000...............................................
and they elect FOUR MP`s.....................................................
with each MP representing 37,000 people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yet our always SCHEMING LIE-berals have created ridings in Ontari-owe that typically have 100,000 people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And some Ontari-owe ridings have nearly TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO MUCH FOR LIE-beral respect for "one citizen with one vote"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals SIMPLY CANNOT RESIST RIGGING anything they get their hands on................................
IN THEIR FAVOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is why Our idiot Boy was so excited about electoral reform...................................
it offered up UNPARALLELED opportunities for RIGGING the system............................................
by simply introducing so many little one issue and lunatic fringe parties..........................................
that our PARLIAMENT WOULD BE TURNED INTO AN OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In that system there would be NO DOMINANT party able to make choices and impose order.................................
and political policy would be SOLD to the highest bidder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE have only to look at the CHAOS in Italy which has the same electoral reform as Our idiot Boy wants to impose on US!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or we could look at the periodic FREEZING and potential bankruptcy of United States govt ................................
over debt issues.................................
each time Congress squabbles over debt ceilings...............................................
as a fine example of how bad it is to split up the powers of govt to much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals in United States have recently been slapped down by judges who are DISGUSTED..............................
by the constant changes to voting districts......................................
for the SOLE PURPOSE of rigging the vote in a specific area by bringing in supporters...............................
and dumping out opponents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thus....................Giving rural voters an extra vote...................................
as taxslave advocates.......................................
is the 21st century equivalent of a 17th century British "ROTTEN BOROUGH"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that Brit idea was SCORNED AS CORRUPT and shameful.................................
CENTURIES AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Taxslave should be ashamed of promoting such a disgraceful injury to democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No it isn't. The basic election for MLA/MP is the same but we would change how our elected officials vote. Actually a weighted vote is used all the time in Regional Diatricts but in reverse. Each rural representitive gets one vote and the municipal members get votes based on the population of the area they represent. Cuts down on the number of people sitting around the table but rural areas still often get the shaft because of population bias. I am looking for a way to balance out the voting so large population centers don't get to make laws that have a negative effect on large areas of the country or province. If you have a better idea lets hear it.
 

AnnaEmber

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Yeah, hubby and I have been pondering how to arrange it so there is a more fair representation, too. So far we've agreed that the fed gov't is far too influential and should divest some powers to the provinces. That would be a start. We rather like the Swiss style; having cantons and giving more power to those and the people. It's a more direct form of democracy but people tend to be interested in what happens in their country and they do a lot of referendums.
 

DaSleeper

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What we need is an "elected" senate with the same number of representatives per province no matter the population.....similar to the US senate!
Also hold the election halfway through parliament's term!
 

spilledthebeer

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No it isn't. The basic election for MLA/MP is the same but we would change how our elected officials vote. Actually a weighted vote is used all the time in Regional Diatricts but in reverse. Each rural representitive gets one vote and the municipal members get votes based on the population of the area they represent. Cuts down on the number of people sitting around the table but rural areas still often get the shaft because of population bias. I am looking for a way to balance out the voting so large population centers don't get to make laws that have a negative effect on large areas of the country or province. If you have a better idea lets hear it.




JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Durham Region has those DANDY WEiGHTED rural/urban votes...........................


and it is CLASSIC DICTATOR BULLSH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When Durham Region was set up most of the population lived in Oshawa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So Oshawa got the majority of votes on council......................................


with Pickering and Ajax getting a couple of votes.....................................


and Port Perry getting a vote even though they did not really have the size of population to justify it..........................


but it did not seem fair to leave them out...........................................


and in the last 40 years...................................


the population trend has pretty much reversed........................................


with Whitby, Pickering and Ajax having HUGE population growth..............................


and Oshawa using its OUT DATED SEAT MAJORITY to KILL any HONEST redistribution of seats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


EVEN WORSE...........................................


the ASSHATS at Oshawa Silly Hall DID NOT fund their transit union pension fund properly.............................


and when it was decided that ALL the local municipal transit systems would be BLENDED................................


into one more effective and comprehensive system....................................


OSHAWA made it CLEAR OTHERS were expected to fund THEIR PENSION PROMISE CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course Wynne-bag LIE-berals were trying to expand Go train and Go bus service in the area................................


and wanted access to the big old bus terminal nicely located in the centre of Oshawa.................................


and of course Oshawa REFUSED ACCESS.................................


UNLESS OTHERS PAID their Transit pension DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So a FEW MILLION DOLLARS IN LEGAL FEES LATER..............................


the municipalities reached a deal...........................................


THAT THEY DONT TALK ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any time a LIE-beral talks about making our electoral process more fair or equitable or inclusive...........................


that is LIE-beral code................................


meaning LIE-berals THINK they have found a way to SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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What we need is an "elected" senate with the same number of representatives per province no matter the population.....similar to the US senate!
Also hold the election halfway through parliament's term!




Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All those in favour of implementing LIE-beral ideas.................................


that will PARALYZE our parliament and turn it .......................................


into an OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING MACHINE..............................


with NO OFF SWITCH...................................................


should be FORCED ............................................


to take a BIG BITE OF THE ELECTION SH+T..........................................


they are trying to FEED US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is exactly this proposed LIE-beral reduction......................................


of personal responsibility and accountability..................................



of our leaders....................................................


that has seen THREE SEPARATE electoral reform referendums.......................................


SHOT DOWN IN BC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


To see what LIE-berals have in mind for us...........................


just have a LOOK at the CHAOS in Italy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


or refer to the New Zealand experiment with electoral reform.......................................


and UNDERSTAND New Zealand WENT BACK to our current first past the post system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

MHz

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Fire either the Provincial or Federal Govt and if the rest can't make it work they can retire and some smart people can take the position.
 

B00Mer

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Care to elaborate why it's a dumb idea, it would give citizens more representation in a farce that is now appointed. For a fiscal Conservative you should be in favour of more tools in the toolbox to fight against dictator majorities no?

Why bother he's just a troll and a useless member of CC.

You're right, it would give citizens more power..