Does Maxime Bernier's PPC stand a chance?

Curious Cdn

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I grew up in Montreal and a whole lot of it is bilingual. So is the Acadian part of New Brunswick. I challenge you to find a single soul there who doesn't also speak English. It is totally bilingual. So are the border counties in Ontario. There are 1-1/2 million Franco Ontarians and, like the Acadians, none and I mean none of them are unilingual. The Interlake district of Manitoba has lots of bilingual Francophones and there are little colonies of French in Saskatchewan, Alberta too ... all would be 100% bilingual.

Stats Can puts the number of bilingual Canadians at over 6 million. So, the combined populations of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta are equal to the number of bilingual speakers in Canada.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/as-sa/98-200-x/2016009/98-200-x2016009-eng.cfm
 

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I grew up in Montreal and a whole lot of it is bilingual. So is the Acadian part of New Brunswick. I challenge you to find a single soul there who doesn't also speak English. It is totally bilingual. So are the border counties in Ontario. There are 1-1/2 million Franco Ontarians and, like the Acadians, none and I mean none of them are unilingual. The Interlake district of Manitoba has lots of bilingual Francophones and there are little colonies of French in Saskatchewan, Alberta too ... all would be 100% bilingual.

Stats Can puts the number of bilingual Canadians at over 6 million. So, the combined populations of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta are equal to the number of bilingual speakers in Canada.

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/as-sa/98-200-x/2016009/98-200-x2016009-eng.cfm


Individual Canadians can speak both French and English.

Some cities may be in and of themselves bilingual.


All that is true.


BUT.


NB itself is not a bilingual province. It's a duality. We have two systems still for Education, Health, Government, etc. If we were truly bilingual, we would be served with just one 'office', as it were.



Same with the rest of Canada. Quebec is still mainly French and fights to keep French the dominant language.

The rest of Canada doesn't have the push to learn/service in French like it should if it was a truly bilingual country.

We have two languages, with some parts of the country able to handle that second language. But Canada is, IMO, NOT a bilingual country, not really.
 

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A french person should be able to speak french in any court in Canada.
 

Serryah

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A french person should be able to speak french in any court in Canada.


There's two things with that: one, what about people with other languages other than French or English?


Two: what about English speakers in Quebec? Can they get English trials or is it still all done in French? I honestly don't know which is why I'm asking.
 

Curious Cdn

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There's two things with that: one, what about people with other languages other than French or English?
Two: what about English speakers in Quebec? Can they get English trials or is it still all done in French? I honestly don't know which is why I'm asking.
I've never been on trial in Quebec but there doesn't seem any problem getting government services in Montreal in English. It might be quite hard to get them up the Saguenay, though.
 

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There's two things with that: one, what about people with other languages other than French or English?


Two: what about English speakers in Quebec? Can they get English trials or is it still all done in French? I honestly don't know which is why I'm asking.
why do you ask?

Should an english person be able to speak english in court?
 

Serryah

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I've never been on trial in Quebec but there doesn't seem any problem getting government services in Montreal in English. It might be quite hard to get them up the Saguenay, though.


Which sort of does prove my point. Pockets of the country might be bilingual, but not the entire Country, nor all provinces.
 

Serryah

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why do you ask?

Should an english person be able to speak english in court?


By rights, yes.


But I was wondering if they actually can request English if they're in Quebec, due to Quebec's seriously anti-English laws in some places.
 

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by rights a francophone should be able to request french in his own country too.

and yes of course you can choose which language in Quebec, in spite of seriously anti-english laws
 

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Maxime Bernier not invited to televised election debates
Canadian Press
Published:
August 12, 2019
Updated:
August 12, 2019 6:15 PM EDT
Maxime Bernier in a 2017 file photo. Julie Oliver / Postmedia
OTTAWA — The leaders of Canada’s five main political parties were invited Monday to take part in this October’s televised federal election debates, but the newly formed People’s Party of Canada has been left out in the cold.
The Liberals, Conservatives, NDP, Bloc Quebecois and Greens have all qualified for the debates, to be held Oct. 7 and Oct. 10, under criteria established by the federal government.
To participate, the parties had to meet two of three criteria, including having one sitting member elected under the party banner and candidates running in 90% of Canada’s electoral ridings in the Oct. 21 election. The third stipulation requires that a party either have earned 4% of the votes cast in the 2015 election, or candidates with a “legitimate chance” to win seats this fall.
Each party was asked to write a letter to the commission to make their case for why they qualified.
The People’s Party couldn’t meet the first criteria, since it wasn’t established until after the 2015 election and its only member, Quebec MP Maxime Bernier, won his seat as a Conservative. It has met the second requirement, the Leaders’ Debates Commission acknowledged.
However, it does not currently have a “legitimate chance of electing more than one candidate in the next federal election,” debates commissioner and former governor general David Johnston said in a statement.
The party promptly disagreed, noting in a response that in the current political climate, a populist party has “an excellent chance of rapid growth and electing candidates.”
“Canadians have the right to hear views that differ from those of established parties,” Bernier said.
Calling Monday’s decision a “preliminary assessment,” the commission said it would give the party until Sept. 9 to further make its case. The commission will make a final decision by Sept. 16.
“As we moved forward, we didn’t believe we had enough evidence to make a decision, that it would have been unfair to Mr. Bernier to call the shot in early August,” Michel Cormier, executive director of the commission, said Monday in an interview.
Giving the party more time will allow a snapshot of the party’s prospects as close to the election as possible, while still allowing time to organize the debate properly, Cormier said.
In determining whether the candidates had a “legitimate chance,” the commission considered a variety of sources of information, including evidence from the parties, national and riding-level polls, past candidate performance, membership, fundraising and media visibility, he added.
There is no specific threshold for poll numbers, for example, that would have constituted a legitimate chance of election, Cormier acknowledged, calling the determination a “difficult question.”
http://torontosun.com/news/national/maxime-bernier-not-invited-to-televised-election-debates
 

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Maxime Bernier not invited to televised election debates
Canadian Press
Published:
August 12, 2019
Updated:
August 12, 2019 6:15 PM EDT
Maxime Bernier in a 2017 file photo. Julie Oliver / Postmedia
OTTAWA — The leaders of Canada’s five main political parties were invited Monday to take part in this October’s televised federal election debates, but the newly formed People’s Party of Canada has been left out in the cold.
The Liberals, Conservatives, NDP, Bloc Quebecois and Greens have all qualified for the debates, to be held Oct. 7 and Oct. 10, under criteria established by the federal government.
To participate, the parties had to meet two of three criteria, including having one sitting member elected under the party banner and candidates running in 90% of Canada’s electoral ridings in the Oct. 21 election. The third stipulation requires that a party either have earned 4% of the votes cast in the 2015 election, or candidates with a “legitimate chance” to win seats this fall.
Each party was asked to write a letter to the commission to make their case for why they qualified.
The People’s Party couldn’t meet the first criteria, since it wasn’t established until after the 2015 election and its only member, Quebec MP Maxime Bernier, won his seat as a Conservative. It has met the second requirement, the Leaders’ Debates Commission acknowledged.
However, it does not currently have a “legitimate chance of electing more than one candidate in the next federal election,” debates commissioner and former governor general David Johnston said in a statement.
The party promptly disagreed, noting in a response that in the current political climate, a populist party has “an excellent chance of rapid growth and electing candidates.”
“Canadians have the right to hear views that differ from those of established parties,” Bernier said.
Calling Monday’s decision a “preliminary assessment,” the commission said it would give the party until Sept. 9 to further make its case. The commission will make a final decision by Sept. 16.
“As we moved forward, we didn’t believe we had enough evidence to make a decision, that it would have been unfair to Mr. Bernier to call the shot in early August,” Michel Cormier, executive director of the commission, said Monday in an interview.
Giving the party more time will allow a snapshot of the party’s prospects as close to the election as possible, while still allowing time to organize the debate properly, Cormier said.
In determining whether the candidates had a “legitimate chance,” the commission considered a variety of sources of information, including evidence from the parties, national and riding-level polls, past candidate performance, membership, fundraising and media visibility, he added.
There is no specific threshold for poll numbers, for example, that would have constituted a legitimate chance of election, Cormier acknowledged, calling the determination a “difficult question.”
http://torontosun.com/news/national/maxime-bernier-not-invited-to-televised-election-debates
I fail to see how the block gets in the debates when they only run candidates in 1 province.. no good reason for ellimay to be there either. Unless there is LOTS of free booze.
 

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A french person should be able to speak french in any court in Canada.
I would normally think that might be a good idea, but because YOU support it, I know it's a completely evil idea and deliberately BAD for EVERYONE in Canada.

I mean YOU want crooked companies like Lavalin dictating criminal law in Canada and drowning it in corruption at the expense of Actual Canadians, so of course its a sick plot of yours.

It's good that one can get injustice in multiple languages because everyone knows the service of corruption is what's really important in YOUR world obviously.
 
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Danbones

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they get in because they have been elected to parliament
Yeah "Elected" like faith goldie and that brown fellow.
;)
Integrity in this electoral system obviously counts for Effe all.

I mean just look at the fakenews propaganda you spout on a regular basis, if you have any illusions about integrity and sanity in our system, that would end the thought right there.
 

JamesBondo

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A french person should be able to speak french in any court in Canada.

I think it would help the french if they moved past bilingualism to multilingualism. It would be a good way to enhance Canada's multicultural envirement.
 

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Maxime Bernier not invited to televised election debates
Canadian Press
Published:
August 12, 2019
Updated:
August 12, 2019 6:15 PM EDT
Maxime Bernier in a 2017 file photo. Julie Oliver / Postmedia
OTTAWA — The leaders of Canada’s five main political parties were invited Monday to take part in this October’s televised federal election debates, but the newly formed People’s Party of Canada has been left out in the cold.
The Liberals, Conservatives, NDP, Bloc Quebecois and Greens have all qualified for the debates, to be held Oct. 7 and Oct. 10, under criteria established by the federal government.
To participate, the parties had to meet two of three criteria, including having one sitting member elected under the party banner and candidates running in 90% of Canada’s electoral ridings in the Oct. 21 election. The third stipulation requires that a party either have earned 4% of the votes cast in the 2015 election, or candidates with a “legitimate chance” to win seats this fall.
Each party was asked to write a letter to the commission to make their case for why they qualified.
The People’s Party couldn’t meet the first criteria, since it wasn’t established until after the 2015 election and its only member, Quebec MP Maxime Bernier, won his seat as a Conservative. It has met the second requirement, the Leaders’ Debates Commission acknowledged.
However, it does not currently have a “legitimate chance of electing more than one candidate in the next federal election,” debates commissioner and former governor general David Johnston said in a statement.
The party promptly disagreed, noting in a response that in the current political climate, a populist party has “an excellent chance of rapid growth and electing candidates.”
“Canadians have the right to hear views that differ from those of established parties,” Bernier said.
Calling Monday’s decision a “preliminary assessment,” the commission said it would give the party until Sept. 9 to further make its case. The commission will make a final decision by Sept. 16.
“As we moved forward, we didn’t believe we had enough evidence to make a decision, that it would have been unfair to Mr. Bernier to call the shot in early August,” Michel Cormier, executive director of the commission, said Monday in an interview.
Giving the party more time will allow a snapshot of the party’s prospects as close to the election as possible, while still allowing time to organize the debate properly, Cormier said.
In determining whether the candidates had a “legitimate chance,” the commission considered a variety of sources of information, including evidence from the parties, national and riding-level polls, past candidate performance, membership, fundraising and media visibility, he added.
There is no specific threshold for poll numbers, for example, that would have constituted a legitimate chance of election, Cormier acknowledged, calling the determination a “difficult question.”
http://torontosun.com/news/national/maxime-bernier-not-invited-to-televised-election-debates
Yes they don’t want Canadians to hear what Max has to offer .