Gun Control is Completely Useless.

spilledthebeer

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How many people die annually in vehicular accidents compared to the result of gun fire?


OH Joyless LIE-beral Monkey..........................................


your logic IS FLAWED AS USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why not ask how many people volunteered to drive...................................


and compare that to the number of people who VOLUNTEERED....................................


TO BE SHOT BY THUGS??????????????????????????????


You CANNOT LOGICALLY COMPARE VOLUNTEERS TO VICTIMS.....................................


unless of course you ARE TRYING TO PRODUCE LIE-beral Fake News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And...........oh...........THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YOU ARE producing great steaming piles of LIE-beral Fake News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now you are free to change the subject....................


and whine about fonts and punctuation.......................


because you have NO logical facts.........................


or sensible conclusions!!!!!!
 

JLM

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OH Joyless LIE-beral Monkey..........................................


your logic IS FLAWED AS USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why not ask how many people volunteered to drive...................................



You are full of shit as usual. Both gun and vehicle ownership are things we choose to do!
 

spilledthebeer

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I believe gun bans work.




YES hemerHOID..........................................


I am quite sure you DO BELIEVE in gun bans........................



but since you also devoutly believe that LIE-beral policy is



fair.......................


workable................................


beneficial to ordinary Cdns...........................................


and is not heavily freighted..............................................


with BIGOTED.........................................


RACIST..............................................


anti western................................................


and anti democratic values....................................................


I feel obligated to point out.............................................


that your judgement on ANY RELEVANT ISSUE.....................................


of GENUINE concern to ordinary people..................................................


IS DEEPLY FLAWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thus your belief in a gun ban is USELESS AND EASILY DISMISSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In other news.......................................................


Our idiot Boy Justin was in Ontari-owe on Wednesday, August 13, 2019.........................................


to discuss the soaring crime rate with Toronto mayor JACKASS JOHN TORY...........................................




and Our idiot Boy told us on the evening news....................................


"That we cannot arrest our way out of this problem"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So it is NOW OFFICIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals HAVE NO PLAN.................................................


to deal with the crime wave their vile,



ill considered.....................


lega; system with its disgraced hug a thug judges..........................................


and immigration choices that focus ONLY on finding and importing new LIE-beral supporters..................................................


without giving ANY THOUGHT to how the new LIE-beral supporters will survive here.........................................



and that SHAMELESS LIE-beral VOTE BUYING.............................................


that has encouraged all manner of LOONS to thrust their violent and drug addled CRAP ...................................


upon the public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral GREED and lust for power at any price....................................


have made a FABULOUS MESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals only want to BLAME US......................................


for complaining about THEIR DIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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Arizona – -(Ammoland.com)- Jamaica is an island nation with draconian gun controls. It has one of the highest murder rates on the planet. It was not always so. In 1962, before independence, Jamaica had a murder rate of 3.9 per 100,000 population, one of the lowest in the world. It was lower than the U.S. murder rate of 4.6 per 100,000 in 1962. The U.S. murder rate in 2012 was slightly lower than in 1962; 4.5 per 100,000. Jamaica's murder rate in 2012 was 45.1, eleven times greater than it had been under British rule. The firearms act was first passed in 1967. Draconian enforcement of the act began in the middle 1970's. David Kopel sums it up well:
In response to a sharply rising crime rate in Jamaica in the early 1970s, the government imposed complete gun prohibition. In fact, possession of a bullet meant a mandatory life sentence in prison. There was a special gun court where people would be tried in secret for gun possession offenses. And in conjunction with this tremendous crackdown on guns, they also did everything else that you can imagine Oliver North or Ross Perot doing to our Bill of Rights in your worst nightmares. They had gun sweeps, drug sweeps, militarized law enforcement, the government breaking into people's houses, with no probable cause at all, to look for illegal weapons and drugs. Every kind of oppressive measure you could want, censorship of violent television and movies, everything you could want in terms of “let's get really serious and crack down and get rid of all these silly constitutional liberties that are standing in the way of rough and tough law enforcement,” they did. What happened was the crime rate and the homicide rate dropped substantially for the first six months. They then started to rise again, got back to their old levels, and within a few years were far ahead of their old levels, and a few years later were at double and triple the levels which had inspired this kind of crackdown in the first place.
That description was written in 1995. Since then, the murder rates have risen even more, to peak about 2009. Jamaica murder rates have dropped a bit since then, but have remained near the top in homicide rates around the world since the late 1990's.


In spite of its obvious failure, the Jamaican government has not backed off of its draconian gun control experiment. Currently, the Jamaican government is in the middle of a ‘Get the Guns' campaign. It started in September of this year and has resulted in the confiscation of 130 illegal weapons and 1,500 rounds of ammunition as of a press release last Friday, the 27th of November, 2015. That is the equivalent of a modest American gun collection. From jamaica-gleaner.com:
The commissioner says he is pleased with the achievement as guns are used in over 80 per cent of murders committed locally.
According to Williams, in time, the recovery of the weapons will result in a reduction in major crimes.
How much time it will take is very uncertain. The draconian laws have been in place for 40 years already. From a story in the jamaicaobserver.com, it appears that a great many of the guns are coming from another country with extremely strict gun control, Haiti:
It involves collaboration with the Haitian law enforcement authorities due to the high inflow of illegal guns from the French-speaking island.
A commenter at the site indicates another source for the confiscated guns:
Mostly the home-made ones, and the rusty ones you stuff the nuzzle with gun powder! We need the WMDs Mr Commish!
An American who lived in Jamaica in 1961 reported that there was no problem in bringing a pistol to the island in 1960, or in possessing it at that time.


It is clear that the possession of guns is not the cause of the high murder rate in Jamaica. It is the change of the government from one in which most of the population trusted the police and the application of the rule of law, into a government in which two sets of criminal gangs trade rule based on who can commit the most vote fraud in the latest elections. Gun control is simply a ruse to distract the public from the real cause of the murders – a government that is allied with the criminal gangs, and a corrupt police force.


If draconian gun control laws have not reduced the homicide rate in an island nation over the last 40 years, and in fact, have likely contributed to the increase, there seems little reason to believe that they would decrease homicides in the United States, where the sources of guns are much greater, the potential for illegal manufacture much higher, and the Constitutional restraints on police enforcement of gun laws much stronger.


The current initiative to ‘Get the Guns' is reminiscent of the gun ‘buy back' events in the United States. They are primarily for political theater, rather than any real effect on crime rates. The number of guns needed for extremely high levels of murder are so small that they can easily be smuggled, illegally manufactured, or procured from corrupt police.


When the people trust the government and the police, murder rates drop to extremely low levels.


One significant way that a government can show that it trusts the people is to trust them with arms. Trust is a two way street.


Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2015/12/jamaica-draconian-gun-laws-and-murder-rates/#ixzz5wQwKCu5u


You might as well believe in the Tooth Fairy. Maybe you do.






What Colpy is telling us...........................................


with his DETAILED POST about Jamaica................................................



is that drugs and gangs ...........................................


ALWAYS BRING CORRUPTION.....................................


and gun violence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What Colpy has not mentioned........................................


is the Imperial Chinese way of dealing with drugs..............................


in which addicts are given THREE CHANCES at medical care and aid.............................


to kick their habit.................................


if they fail a fourth time............................


they are deemed unsalvageable...............................


and EXECUTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Convicted Drug dealers were swiftly executed - NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



By these DRACONIAN means.........................


Imperial China regained control of the country...................................


which had seen OVER HALF the entire population...................................


between the ages of 15 and 55 getting ADDICTED TO OPIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-bera;ls are DOING ADDICTS NO FAVOURS................................


by aiding their addiction with those drug shelters...........................


staffed by Poverty Pimps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If various people got a GOOD HARD LOOK at some addict dying from fentanyl on a street corner............................


it MIGHT scare some people straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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You are incredibly lucky to be one of the freest people alive or who have ever lived on this planet for the last 10,000 years.

Thank your lucky stars that you are in Canada.




SO WHY THEN...........................................



are LIE-berals working so very hard..................................


to turn Canada into a Soviet Socialist MESS??????????????????????????








Here are some fun questions that LIE-berals don’t want us to ask:


LIE-berals boast that their immigration system is selecting candidates who “do well here” and of course the DEVIL is in the LIE-beral details!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only one third of those who come to Canada are considered “immigrants” in the conventional sense!!!!!

Most of the OTHER TWO THIRDS of people are those who come here as part of the “Family Re-unification Process” that lets in people WHO HAVE NO HOPE OF SUCCEEDING IN CANADA without getting Both govt and family aid and thus ARE NOT CONSIDERED AS IMMIGRANTS when LIE-berals count up the “successful immigrants” LIE-berals brought to Canada”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The swarms of illegals crossing our borders on a daily basis - and clogging up our homeless shelters and straining our welfare and food bank system are not counted as immigrants either - by always flexible with the truth LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals have - for the time being - abandoned their efforts to silence ALL their critics by using blanket accusations of alleged “Hate Speech” that LIE-berals think should be punished in one of their Human Rights Kangaroo Courts!!

LIE-berals have utterly FAILED to supply any logical definition of “Islamophobia” or any other type of “hate speech” - other than to indicate that they believe it is “HATRED” to say anything HARSH about LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals are now warning us about Fake News - but got much critical comment for their FAILURE to provide ANY examples of what they consider Fake News!!

After much thought - LIE-berals have ome up with two examples of what they consider to be Hate Speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The first example concerns what LIE-berals define as a white supremacist group - which alleges that one third of all the aid money provided by LIE-berals to Afghanistan HAS BEEN STOLEN OR WASTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals INSIST that is a LIE and is Hate Speech against LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!

The white poster group bases its accusation on Yankee numbers that indicate that ONE THIRD of all the Yankee aid money sent to Afghanistan has been lost or stolen!!

The alleged Hate Group points out that Cdn aid workers are junior partners with Yankees and are putting their money in EXACTLY THE SAME PROGRAMS as the Yankees!!

Thus the posters claim that it is LOGICAL to assume that Cdn aid money is being stolen or wasted in exactly the same way as Yankee aid money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals call this accusation of wasted aid money A HATE SPEECH LIE!!

The trut6h is that LIE-berals HAVE DELIBERATELY AVOIDED asking too many questions about where Cdn aid money goes - SPECIFICALLY so LIE-berals will not have to admit Cdn aid money is being stolen or wasted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After being MOCKED AND RIDICULED for this foreign aid FARCE - LIE-berals came up with another example of alleged Fake News!!

Andrew Scheer was spotted giving an interview with a woman who claimed to be a cancer survivor - and LIE-berals CLAIMED the woman was a PAID ACTOR - that Conservatives had HIRED to make LIE-beral health care efforts look bad!!!

LIE-berals even went so far as to NAME and supply photos of the person they claim was an actor!!!!!!!!

TOO BAD for LIE-berals - the woman LIE-berals named - who actually IS an actor - and just happens to LOOK LIKE the woman Scheer interviewed- spoke up and proved it was NOT HER in the interview!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do NOT hold your breath while waiting for LIE-berals to ADMIT they told us Fake News about hired actors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In other stupid Fake News - LIE-berals tell us our economy is “booming” even as we fall into RECORD DEBT LEVELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even as the infrastructure we rely on for heat and light and flush toilets and for transportation - ALL continue in service with NO ESSENTIAL MAINTENANCE being done!!!

Even as the bankrupt City of Toronto whines that it cannot afford to properly maintain or even properly inspect the bridges in its area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even as the numbers of Homeless SOAR to record heights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals assure us they have EVERYTHING under control - and yet the cost of housing and servicing a single Homeless person in Toronto has RISEN FORTY PERCENT IN ONE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even as the number of complaints about used needles, garbage mixed with human waste, thievery and vandalism, public intoxication and drunken quarrels, rises exponentially with each new Homeless Shelter the City opens!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals like to sneer that Conservatives are the party of the un-educated- and yet the numbers of under graduates and and graduates are very evenly divided!!!!!

POOR STUPID LIE-berals cannot even tell the truth about THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







 

Curious Cdn

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SO WHY THEN...........................................



are LIE-berals working so very hard..................................


to turn Canada into a Soviet Socialist MESS??????????????????????????


Here are some fun questions that LIE-berals don’t want us to ask:

LIE-berals boast that their immigration system is selecting candidates who “do well here” and of course the DEVIL is in the LIE-beral details!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only one third of those who come to Canada are considered “immigrants” in the conventional sense!!!!!
Most of the OTHER TWO THIRDS of people are those who come here as part of the “Family Re-unification Process” that lets in people WHO HAVE NO HOPE OF SUCCEEDING IN CANADA without getting Both govt and family aid and thus ARE NOT CONSIDERED AS IMMIGRANTS when LIE-berals count up the “successful immigrants” LIE-berals brought to Canada”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The swarms of illegals crossing our borders on a daily basis - and clogging up our homeless shelters and straining our welfare and food bank system are not counted as immigrants either - by always flexible with the truth LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have - for the time being - abandoned their efforts to silence ALL their critics by using blanket accusations of alleged “Hate Speech” that LIE-berals think should be punished in one of their Human Rights Kangaroo Courts!!
LIE-berals have utterly FAILED to supply any logical definition of “Islamophobia” or any other type of “hate speech” - other than to indicate that they believe it is “HATRED” to say anything HARSH about LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals are now warning us about Fake News - but got much critical comment for their FAILURE to provide ANY examples of what they consider Fake News!!
After much thought - LIE-berals have ome up with two examples of what they consider to be Hate Speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The first example concerns what LIE-berals define as a white supremacist group - which alleges that one third of all the aid money provided by LIE-berals to Afghanistan HAS BEEN STOLEN OR WASTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals INSIST that is a LIE and is Hate Speech against LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!
The white poster group bases its accusation on Yankee numbers that indicate that ONE THIRD of all the Yankee aid money sent to Afghanistan has been lost or stolen!!
The alleged Hate Group points out that Cdn aid workers are junior partners with Yankees and are putting their money in EXACTLY THE SAME PROGRAMS as the Yankees!!
Thus the posters claim that it is LOGICAL to assume that Cdn aid money is being stolen or wasted in exactly the same way as Yankee aid money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals call this accusation of wasted aid money A HATE SPEECH LIE!!
The trut6h is that LIE-berals HAVE DELIBERATELY AVOIDED asking too many questions about where Cdn aid money goes - SPECIFICALLY so LIE-berals will not have to admit Cdn aid money is being stolen or wasted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After being MOCKED AND RIDICULED for this foreign aid FARCE - LIE-berals came up with another example of alleged Fake News!!
Andrew Scheer was spotted giving an interview with a woman who claimed to be a cancer survivor - and LIE-berals CLAIMED the woman was a PAID ACTOR - that Conservatives had HIRED to make LIE-beral health care efforts look bad!!!
LIE-berals even went so far as to NAME and supply photos of the person they claim was an actor!!!!!!!!
TOO BAD for LIE-berals - the woman LIE-berals named - who actually IS an actor - and just happens to LOOK LIKE the woman Scheer interviewed- spoke up and proved it was NOT HER in the interview!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do NOT hold your breath while waiting for LIE-berals to ADMIT they told us Fake News about hired actors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In other stupid Fake News - LIE-berals tell us our economy is “booming” even as we fall into RECORD DEBT LEVELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even as the infrastructure we rely on for heat and light and flush toilets and for transportation - ALL continue in service with NO ESSENTIAL MAINTENANCE being done!!!
Even as the bankrupt City of Toronto whines that it cannot afford to properly maintain or even properly inspect the bridges in its area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even as the numbers of Homeless SOAR to record heights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals assure us they have EVERYTHING under control - and yet the cost of housing and servicing a single Homeless person in Toronto has RISEN FORTY PERCENT IN ONE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even as the number of complaints about used needles, garbage mixed with human waste, thievery and vandalism, public intoxication and drunken quarrels, rises exponentially with each new Homeless Shelter the City opens!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals like to sneer that Conservatives are the party of the un-educated- and yet the numbers of under graduates and and graduates are very evenly divided!!!!!
POOR STUPID LIE-berals cannot even tell the truth about THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






You're still blabbering away on whatever suits you're fancy in a 50 point font without any fear of consequence.

Aren't you lucky!
 

petros

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Toronto Police Chief gets it right.

He's going after gangbangers to curb gun violence.

He'll have more funding after the election when Andrew is elected. It's part of his campaign.
 

Curious Cdn

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Go after Gang Bangers and carefully inspect to boot of every single vehicle returning from the USA to reduce the number of Saturday Night Specials circulating among the Gang Bangers.

Gang Bangers don't shoot people.

Gang Bangers with guns shoot people.
 

Colpy

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I've thought this for decades; in troubled areas, they should have cops walking the beat, like in the old days. Assign the cops an area, and keep them there, so they get to know the community. Select the cops on the basis of their personalities.....friendly and approachable wins the race.


Get them involved on the street level.
 

spilledthebeer

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You're still blabbering away on whatever suits you're fancy in a 50 point font without any fear of consequence.

Aren't you lucky!




IT IS A FREE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And will remain that way...................................


as long as LIE-berals DO NOT GET THEIR OWN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!