If Canadians hate the US, why doesn't Canada just sever ties with them?
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You do realize that the U.S. has not started any new wars under the present president . You cannot say that about the previous three . So what is it that the U.S. is doing that is so terrible ?
You must know that "envy" and "jealousy" comes out in some people as hatred........
Ever hear of Iceland. Ever hear how they cleared up their National Debt for good?? Do you understand why we would never be able to?
What could be done is Canadians in the north and West can show they are being ecomomically raped and the people are treated liked 3rd class citizens.
Put the present debt on the shoulders of the people living within a certain distance of the US border and have the US govern them like they do the island just off shore. The North can take out a loan from the WB through the UN and have them do a plan and the people can sign off after they make any changes they want and 'poof' $50B in debt for 100 years.
What would end is the free money to the ones in the south of Canada as well as the $50/bbl rebate the US presently gets on every drop of oil we export.
The terrible part is the north is being treated as a no man's land rather than there are people there who do have access to money and they can find all sorts of treasures in the 'land without a people'. Dot the area with NASA type instruments and the best locations are easy to find and the locals (all prospectors with valid business permits) would be the ones to look in all the hidden spots. With a small population at the start the needs are also small. The Canadian Government left every village in as bad of shape as possible so ground up rebuilds that make each village a stand alone community running at 21st century levels while still utilizing local resourses. (baked clay floors may turn out to be better than imported materials as they keep mice out as well as act as a conduit for the in-floor heat that using solar and goe-thermal means for the heating and cooling. Having the UN as the general Contractor means SNC is toast and southern Canada has no other experts, the UN is full of them and they are on good terms with the World Bank. With modernization being on the drawing board for most of the globe doing northern Canada as a showpiece would polish an image that is tarnished at the moment. The UN also all the connections to get it done sooner rather than later. A good deal when the people are the ones that can make or break a new diamond mine. AB did it with Social Credit after WWII. They could do nothing wrong for the next 20 years in the eyes of the voters. The north needs to float a loan at least that large and pay it back through a similar device that was the Heritage Trust fund. Giving the UN the financial reins would make things cheaper for the locals and in the time it takes to pay it off they can lean how to take over some/all/none of that end of the business. Open books would lead to full time employment for the admin as well as acting as a reference when they bid on other projects that are just as big because it brings a few people up to the standards set at the UN rather than sweat-shop owners. (like North America was from 1500AD) Max profits for as little investment as possible)
Did I mention the north is an ideal place for people in danger of facing war crimes? Their fight will be against the weather rather than any person so their grandchildren will have left all the shit behind. 3M 'home-steaders' who are farming fish in 3 decades, enough to feed 30M people annually and the catch grows every year. Everyone signing for a 50 year loan to show the UN that people are willing to move there if they can avoid the corruption that comes when Ontario and Quebec are calling the shots. (last 7 decades clearly show that and no signs of it ever ending)
Canada joined both World Wars in support of a foreign Nation, the US did the same thing. Ontario works for the interests of the UK, Quebec works for the interests of France, neither is interested in 'Voters' other than they are a workforce and the only ones called up in a war to serve on the front lines. The ones that create the wars are always a long way from the front line in what is known as 'a Bunker'. When there isn't a war they are the 'poor' and 'homeless' so others can justify having a job that pays then to be babysitters.
The NWO is bigger than the US, think of all the companies on the globe that are listed on a Stock Market as belonging to the IMF, that all do just what the IMF wants. What changes coming will be what the 'orders' are. Northern Canada hiring them is a better deal for them in the long run than having lower Canada keep the north as close to extinction as possible. The fines awarded by an international court would fund the repairs and reconstruction and then some and Lower Canada wouldn't see a penny of it come back to them.
JT is young and this is his first term. Canada will follow what the US and the UK are doing, Northern Canada has a strong court case against Ottawa and all of Southern Canada going back 70 years. Ottawa for taking orders and the rest for knowing what was going on and letting the abuse get worse and still say nothing. Give him 4 years after his handlers are being handled like the crooks they are'
Actually it's not. Democracy isn't quite as simple as "majority rules".
Why? You're already presuming to speak for the majority of Canadians.
No, it's not. You just don't like the result.
You know f*ck all about the War of 1812. Canada wasn't a country in 1812 it was still British North America. The War of 1812 was also continuation of America's War for Independence. On top of that, you blow off China killing millions of it own people as something that's irrelevant because it happened a "long time ago" And yet think something that happened in 1812 that had nothing to do with Canada as a nation is STILL highly relevant over 200 years later. So 70 years ago is a long time ago but 200 years ago is like yesterday.
And if you had read my posts carefully instead of looking for ways to cherry pick, you'll note I addressed those "ideas" in a different post.
I'm sorry, did we ask for the advice of some internet nobody who won't say where he's from?
Nah, you're just stirring it more. I'm pretty sure Canada didn't send you an e-mail begging you to help us "fix our problem".
You need to understand you're not Canadian and what we do or how we deal with our neighbours is none of your f*cking business.
So it's still ranked 5th with Canadians despite your anti-American rhetoric and attempt to paint Canadians as anti-American.
And yet you whined about the War of 1812 where the US invaded British North America, NOT Canada, as if it was totally relevant today.
Nothing, especially world politics, is always so black and white. The grey areas will kill you, literally, if you don't do things right.
What about the US? They're turning into copies of other authoritarian dictatorships, BUT, there are still enough people in the US with common sense about not wanting to be like China, or North Korea, or Russia that I hope they overwhelm the idiocy of the ones who are great with it.
You have no understanding of world politics or the world period if you think any of this is simple.
This isn't like parents having a bad child or neighbors with an awful neighbor. What you're talking about affects EVERYONE, all over the world. Hell, even doing anything with CHINA has that same effect.
I am "biased" and "favor" the US because I know enough people from there that I hope they become the voice of reason, they and the millions like them, and actually somehow help the US out of this cluster**** that it's slowly turning into.
And justice may be applied to all, but justice - while we want it to be and hope it will be - is not equal.
It could be worse. I hope to the Gods it doesn't get so but that's why I have faith in those who aren't the wackadoodle types.
Trump is a moron, but he's a symptom of the disease, not the source. Making him more important than he is feeds into his blatant narcissism which is something I won't do.
Sadly, yes, despite the questions and so on behind it all, he 'won'. Now we see what a true shitshow he really is. But the 'wants of other countries' doesn't matter, because they are other countries.
On that I partly agree.
You are truly, truly naive to think this.
Again, symptom, not the disease. The US has been slowly falling apart for decades. What Trump has done is he's put a push, an accelerate on things to the point it's not being hidden anymore, it's all wide open. If he's done one thing good with his time in office, he's shown the US and the world just how rotten the US is in chunks of it's society.
... and yet... you're going off on people who see the good about the US along with the bad?
If the US electorate vote Trump in again, then what happens is, as it was in his first term, all on them. If the US falls, it's on them. If the US has a civil war, it's on them. If the US succeeds, it's on them. As with every election no matter who gets in office, the fate of the US is on the electorate who said 'okay' to that government.
That being said, now that we know what kind of monster is in the WH, I would hope that any relations with the US would become cooler, that some things would be more restrictive. But that is all up in the air, dependent on our own PM at the time, the feelings of our own electorate, and what happens with the US.
Most of the regular members are a bit leary of saying where they are from.
According to most 'Canadians' here we don't have any problems, internal or external, other than Canadians asking too much about Canada's recent history, let alone going all the way back to 1867.
You need to understand that you don't speak for all of Canada, let alone all Canadians. Sometimes a POV from somebody that is detached might have some valid points. You certainly gobble up everything Israel says what Canada should and should not be doing. Cuba is an example of how we have always bowed to the smallest amount of external influence.
In dealing with the US it first has to be established just what the current relationship is like. If we were Americans we would have a better income and quality of life in general.
We are anti-Russian for no reason,
we are anti-Iran for no reason,
we are anti-Cuba for no reason,
we are anti-Venezuela with no reason
etc, other than we are 'friends with anybody belonging to NATO/
Doing EXACTLY what they're supposed to do. Give weight to votes in lightly populated states. We've been through this before. Scrapping the Electoral College would mean a similar situation that Canada has. Whereas in Canada, Ontario and Quebec pretty much decide who's going to win a federal election, it would be New York, Florida, Texas and California deciding the direction of the US.
You would think that for someone like you whose vote really doesn't count for shit because of where you live and the system we have, you'd have less of a problem with the Electoral College in the US doing the job it was created to do.
Don't care which city or his personal address. Just the country.
Stirring up shit between usually friendly neighbours isn't a valid point.
Strawman. Supporting Israel's right to exist and pointing out the f*cking war crimes and crimes against humanity that you anti-Jewish f*cks conveniently ignore from Palestine isn't gobbling up everything Israel says about anything.
How's that? Canadians have been traveling to and trading with Cuba for decades. Actually since the 18th century. We never bowed to US pressure when it came to Cuba.
Most issues can be that simple, if they cannot they are either complex or there are lies involved, in either case an effort should be made to determine what the case is.
The US became as controlled in 1929 as England was after 1815, both had their business sector crashed and then it was bought foo for a penny what used to be $100. When it happens like clockwork you are being robbed, America cannot rob herself.
There are lots of summations published already, pick a few that promotes your view. Feel free to highlight the important parts.
It can't be 'all on them' if trump is a rebel and he is making all the decisions, good and bad alike.
This is who Gentiles bow to.
You can see why I prefer you do your own research rather than offering you 'gut instinct' in place of 'hard facts'. Somebody from the West would see a relationship between grain and sugar cane. We lost the war they won. We grow what we are tole when we are told, hemp being banned is an example of how much of a fight we don't ever put up.
Compare the dollar amounts.
The rant that was the rest of your post sounds a bit racist in all honesty, . . . .