Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?
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It is AMAZING how often LIE-beral minded TWITS...............................
like Leno can edit out useful information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He says electric TOY cars have 300 - 400 MILE RANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That claimed 300 mile range translates into 480 KILOMETERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that 400 mile range translates into 640 KILOMETERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet the Yankee Environmental Protection Agency states that a 2018 Nissan Leaf has a range of.................................
151 MILES OR 243 KILOMETERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The EPA also reports that the standard Tesla Model 3 gets 240 miles or 386 kilometers............................
Yet Alex Dykes of Alex on Autos- a Yankee online commentator - who actually BOUGHT a standard Tesla model 3.........................
and operated it for PERSONAL USE............................................
-reported that HE ONLY GOT A MAXIMUM OF 192 miles range - which translates into 308 kilometers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dykes lives on the Yankee west coast and thus his test of the Tesla was NOT INFLUENCED by cold weather..................
as would be the case if he used the machine in a place like Nebraska or in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for Leno -he is known for having a HUGE SELECTION of motor vehicles in his garage and can pick and choose......................
according to range and inclination and current service and fuel status..........................................
the guy HAS the FREE TIME to play with his Tesla and its cumbersome recharging system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thus we can see that LIE-berals DELIGHT in issuing FAKE NEWS about the electric TOY cars they love so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And is it not ODD.........................................
that LIE-berals so strongly CONDEMN Fake News..............................................
and yet IT IS LIE-berals who so often ISSUE that FAKERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://jalopnik.com/your-nissan-leaf-may-soon-charge-your-house-1836311220
people still not quite getting the fact that EVs are stationary for most of the time - like very other car.
in the case of the EV they are able to power your house through bi-lateral charging systems which will see the EV battery charged at night during non peak hours and then turn around and run your house during high use hours.
and if your ev is not fully charged? So what. The average trip is under 30 miles - and the majority of trips are under 6 miles.
on the other hand the gas in your gas tank can be used as a solvent.
people still not quite getting the fact that EVs are stationary for most of the time - like very other car.
in the case of the EV they are able to power your house through bi-lateral charging systems which will see the EV battery charged at night during non peak hours and then turn around and run your house during high use hours.
and if your ev is not fully charged? So what. The average trip is under 30 miles - and the majority of trips are under 6 miles.
on the other hand the gas in your gas tank can be used as a solvent.
When are people going to get it through their heads that electricity is not a sustainable or practical vehicle 'fuel' on a long term basis? We have billions of cubic feet of petroleum products right under our feet.
Great article from the BBC
Tesla motors make classic Ferraris go faster
Every time a Tesla hits a tree, it's a gift for these enthusiasts.
Around the world, a cottage industry is growing in converting classic cars into electric vehicles.
Small firms are buying up old Nissan and Tesla parts and bolting them into Ferraris, Porsches and BMWs, making them cleaner, easier to maintain and even quicker.
The basic process differs little from firm to firm: take out the engine and fuel tank and replace them with a battery pack and motor, often connecting the motor to the old gear box.
They try to change as little as possible so that the process is reversible.
Buyers have never asked for their car to be put back to petrol, says Richard Morgan, who owns Electric Classic Cars in Newtown, Wales. In fact, nobody has asked them to keep their petrol engine in storage, either - a service he offers.
"I'm talking as an ex-petrolhead," he says. "From a massive petrolhead's point of view, electric cars are better in every way." However he adds: "If you'd said that to me five years ago I'd have laughed".
'Faster, better'
Mr Morgan, whose more exotic conversions include a Ferrari 308, says his interest started a few years ago in his days racing classic cars. His team used an Oset electric bike to ferry about parts and snacks.
"I was always amazed by that little thing. How much power was in this little motor the size of your fist."
So he decided to apply that power to cars, making it a full-time job three years ago. He uses a mix of new and recovered parts.
"It was nothing environmental, purely from a car point of view. How can I make it faster, better, more reliable?"
The Ferrari will now go from 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds in good conditions, halving its petrol-driven time. Its owner can worry less about tune-ups and break-downs, he says.
The car could do it in 2.7 seconds, but this was toned down as the rest of the car wasn't strong enough to handle it.
'We save cars'
This car-first view is shared by San Diego-based EV West founder Michael Bream, considered one of the early movers of today's conversion scene.
He says while many people will want to go electric for the cleaner air, "our job is to save the car".
This approach is proving good for a range of firms, and Tesla and its competitors are proving good benefactors beyond their bounty of scrap yard parts.
Battery cars have been around for a long time, but Tesla made them fun, says Mr Bream. And fun is a lot more persuasive than bossy.
"'Your car pollutes, your car's stinky'. I don't know if people have ever parented before, but saying something like that is the worst thing you can do."
Government help
Fun can also trump basic economics, he adds. "I've never in my life had somebody in a Prius pull up to me and say, 'dude, come and try this thing, it is ridiculously economical'."
His advice to would-be customers is to choose a car that will stay attractive to buyers. While new cars lose value the moment they leave the showroom, classics like old Porsches and the VW Beetle are more likely to keep their value, or even appreciate.
For Matthew Quitter of London Electric Cars, the process could be extended to cars beyond classics.
He admits that government help might be needed to compete with cheaper, newer mass-market electric cars and the thin margins big manufacturers work on.
Expensive to do
Scrap parts would need to stay cheaper than second-hand cars, he says, and conversion costs would need to fall.
Currently it is not cheap and can cost £20,000 or more. Many conversions are the first of their kind, adding to the expense.
But the more it is done, the cheaper it gets. As well as avoiding scrapping millions of working petrol car bodies, it will mean a generation of mechanics will still recognise at least most of the car's layout.
"Otherwise, you will get a moment where everyone is driving electric cars and no-one will know how to fix them," says Mr Quitter.
His tip: less-fashionable classics like the Triumph Herald, a "fabulous little car. You can pick them up for a couple of grand."
'Ultimate recycling'
City dwellers like him don't need the range of a Tesla for their commute, and using batteries from old laptops destined to be scrapped or recycled could prove a cheap way of converting the family car.
Brandon Hollinger, whose Lancaster, Pennsylvania firm ampRevolt has converted cars including a London black cab, thinks all-in-one kits could cut costs. For him it would be "the ultimate in recycling".
"Imagine an assembly the size of an engine that contains not only the motor, but also the battery and electronics - and boom, labour costs are way down," he says.
"I do see this as a promising direction. I could do the expensive builds for ever and it's fun but I would rather crack the code and make this available to more people."
'Racing to the people'
But Mr Morgan and Mr Bream both caution that the market for cheaper electric cars will only increase, reducing prices and making it a very competitive field.
But racing electric cars does have its advantages, she says. "You can take racing to the people. You can have a conversation while you are watching your favourite driver go by. We can race on downtown city streets because there are no emissions, noise pollution."
Just a long tailpipe?
The industry has many converts. Why wouldn't you want to make your car faster, easier to look after and cleaner, if you have the money?
Formula E racing is possible in places like New York, where noisier Formula 1 would not be so welcome
Critics grumble about vandalising pieces of history and the loss of the engine noise. A few point out that globally, most electricity is still generated from coal and oil. The engineers give these points short shrift.
"In your Edwardian house, do you still have a coal fire? Have you ruined it by putting in central heating?" asks Richard Morgan.
For him, the noise is lost power that should be used to make your car go faster, and its absence means hearing the countryside again. As for the long tailpipe argument?
"If petrol was invented now, it would not take off," he says. It needs to be discovered, refined and shipped about the country. And the portion of renewables used by the grid is ever increasing, he adds.
Tesla motors make classic Ferraris go faster
Every time a Tesla hits a tree, it's a gift for these enthusiasts.
Around the world, a cottage industry is growing in converting classic cars into electric vehicles.
Small firms are buying up old Nissan and Tesla parts and bolting them into Ferraris, Porsches and BMWs, making them cleaner, easier to maintain and even quicker.
The basic process differs little from firm to firm: take out the engine and fuel tank and replace them with a battery pack and motor, often connecting the motor to the old gear box.
They try to change as little as possible so that the process is reversible.
Buyers have never asked for their car to be put back to petrol, says Richard Morgan, who owns Electric Classic Cars in Newtown, Wales. In fact, nobody has asked them to keep their petrol engine in storage, either - a service he offers.
"I'm talking as an ex-petrolhead," he says. "From a massive petrolhead's point of view, electric cars are better in every way." However he adds: "If you'd said that to me five years ago I'd have laughed".
'Faster, better'
Mr Morgan, whose more exotic conversions include a Ferrari 308, says his interest started a few years ago in his days racing classic cars. His team used an Oset electric bike to ferry about parts and snacks.
"I was always amazed by that little thing. How much power was in this little motor the size of your fist."
So he decided to apply that power to cars, making it a full-time job three years ago. He uses a mix of new and recovered parts.
"It was nothing environmental, purely from a car point of view. How can I make it faster, better, more reliable?"
The Ferrari will now go from 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds in good conditions, halving its petrol-driven time. Its owner can worry less about tune-ups and break-downs, he says.
The car could do it in 2.7 seconds, but this was toned down as the rest of the car wasn't strong enough to handle it.
'We save cars'
This car-first view is shared by San Diego-based EV West founder Michael Bream, considered one of the early movers of today's conversion scene.
He says while many people will want to go electric for the cleaner air, "our job is to save the car".
This approach is proving good for a range of firms, and Tesla and its competitors are proving good benefactors beyond their bounty of scrap yard parts.
Battery cars have been around for a long time, but Tesla made them fun, says Mr Bream. And fun is a lot more persuasive than bossy.
"'Your car pollutes, your car's stinky'. I don't know if people have ever parented before, but saying something like that is the worst thing you can do."
Government help
Fun can also trump basic economics, he adds. "I've never in my life had somebody in a Prius pull up to me and say, 'dude, come and try this thing, it is ridiculously economical'."
His advice to would-be customers is to choose a car that will stay attractive to buyers. While new cars lose value the moment they leave the showroom, classics like old Porsches and the VW Beetle are more likely to keep their value, or even appreciate.
For Matthew Quitter of London Electric Cars, the process could be extended to cars beyond classics.
He admits that government help might be needed to compete with cheaper, newer mass-market electric cars and the thin margins big manufacturers work on.
Expensive to do
Scrap parts would need to stay cheaper than second-hand cars, he says, and conversion costs would need to fall.
Currently it is not cheap and can cost £20,000 or more. Many conversions are the first of their kind, adding to the expense.
But the more it is done, the cheaper it gets. As well as avoiding scrapping millions of working petrol car bodies, it will mean a generation of mechanics will still recognise at least most of the car's layout.
"Otherwise, you will get a moment where everyone is driving electric cars and no-one will know how to fix them," says Mr Quitter.
His tip: less-fashionable classics like the Triumph Herald, a "fabulous little car. You can pick them up for a couple of grand."
'Ultimate recycling'
City dwellers like him don't need the range of a Tesla for their commute, and using batteries from old laptops destined to be scrapped or recycled could prove a cheap way of converting the family car.
Brandon Hollinger, whose Lancaster, Pennsylvania firm ampRevolt has converted cars including a London black cab, thinks all-in-one kits could cut costs. For him it would be "the ultimate in recycling".
"Imagine an assembly the size of an engine that contains not only the motor, but also the battery and electronics - and boom, labour costs are way down," he says.
"I do see this as a promising direction. I could do the expensive builds for ever and it's fun but I would rather crack the code and make this available to more people."
'Racing to the people'
But Mr Morgan and Mr Bream both caution that the market for cheaper electric cars will only increase, reducing prices and making it a very competitive field.
But racing electric cars does have its advantages, she says. "You can take racing to the people. You can have a conversation while you are watching your favourite driver go by. We can race on downtown city streets because there are no emissions, noise pollution."
Just a long tailpipe?
The industry has many converts. Why wouldn't you want to make your car faster, easier to look after and cleaner, if you have the money?
Formula E racing is possible in places like New York, where noisier Formula 1 would not be so welcome
Critics grumble about vandalising pieces of history and the loss of the engine noise. A few point out that globally, most electricity is still generated from coal and oil. The engineers give these points short shrift.
"In your Edwardian house, do you still have a coal fire? Have you ruined it by putting in central heating?" asks Richard Morgan.
For him, the noise is lost power that should be used to make your car go faster, and its absence means hearing the countryside again. As for the long tailpipe argument?
"If petrol was invented now, it would not take off," he says. It needs to be discovered, refined and shipped about the country. And the portion of renewables used by the grid is ever increasing, he adds.
You just take it one day at a time and see where it leads, every week it seems I see a centenarian celebrating a birthday. 106 isn't all that uncommon now.
The oncoming electric vehicle revolution is a mirage. Until we get batteries at least twice as good as the best we have now, last for a long time, are cheap, etc. (and researchers worldwide have been trying for decades) it won't happen.
The fact that govts everywhere need to subsidize the EV industry says it all.
Contrary to the deranged thoughts of the Luddites and enviro-Nazis, we didn't end up using fossil fuels due to a large and criminal conspiracy. Fossil fuels are a cost effective extremely energy dense, easy to use fuel source.
All the above IMHO is not why Tesla may go under, The big auto mfg. have got into the field, and even if they are not as successful as people wish, they will drive Tesla into the ground.
Personally, since an electric motor has very few moving parts (low, almost zero maintenance), and produces max torque at 0-1RPM, it is ideal for a vehicle powerplant.
Batteries however............
Our neighbour 2 doors down has a new Tesla SUV & model 3. I have been taken for a spin. Very impressive indeed, but he keeps his regular SUV for longer trips. Smart man.
BTW yes, hydrogen is ideal for a fuel cell. Hydrogen is the most abundant molecule in the universe, and planet earth.
However, while we know a dozen ways to extract H2, no one has found an efficient way of extracting it.
The universe was not meant to make us feel better, or even for us to succeed.
POOR STUPID hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He simply CANNOT figure out any logical way.....................................
to BRUSH ASIDE ANGRY REPORTS..............................
from owners of older model electric TOY cars............................
regarding just how BADLY battery range DEGRADES once the car is a few years old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For a lot of buyers.........................
an electric TOY car purchase.......................
IS A ONE TIME EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Due to CRAPPY BATTERY LIFE..........................
AND RESULTING SHORT RANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good post
You do need to address emissions.
Another fact is that governments are going to legislate legacy engines out of existence. many jurisdictions have already set the dates.
So it really isn't even a matter of choice anymore.
And I agree hydrogen is theoretically an ideal solution.
also re range anxiety: this is a real thing. It was a real thing at the beginning of the age of the automobile as the Model T held only 10 gallons of gas, which could only be purchased at a pharmacy.
People could not see how it replaced the horse let alone steam.
People could not see how it replaced the horse let alone steam.
OH YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
look at hemerHOID trying to skate his way sideways out of his FAILURE..........................
to sell us on his electric TOY cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He states "many govts are going to legislate legacy engines ouit of existence"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AS it stands now the European Union has decreed that no more gasoline engines will be built after 2040!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So they HAVE PLENTY OF TIME To change their minds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!