Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?


spilledthebeer
#1111
Quote: Originally Posted by curious cdn View Post

it was either that or continue using their funky tail pipe app.




hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


true dat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
spilledthebeer
#1112
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post


vw debuts its new all electric full size suv for 2021
dual engines at 300plus HP 0-60 in 6.6 sec and a range of about 248 miles. Available with various self driving modes.
https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/14/...-electric-suv/




PEOPLE ATTACKING self drive cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Here is an article illustrating what the general public thinks about self driving vehicles at this time! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving Cars.

A Waymo autonomous vehicle in Chandler, Ariz., where the driverless cars have been attacked by residents on several occasions.CreditCaitlin O'Hara for The New York Times. Image

By Simon Romero

Published: Dec. 31, 2018

CHANDLER, Ariz. — The assailant slipped out of a park around noon one day in October, zeroing in on his target, which was idling at a nearby intersection — a self-driving van operated by Waymo, the driverless-car company spun out of Google.

He carried out his attack with an unidentified sharp object, swiftly slashing one of the tires. The suspect, identified as a white man in his 20s, then melted into the neighborhood on foot.

The slashing was one of nearly two dozen attacks on driverless vehicles over the past two years in Chandler, a city near Phoenix where Waymo started testing its vans in 2017. In ways large and small, the city has had an early look at public misgivings over the rise of artificial intelligence, with city officials hearing complaints about everything from safety to possible job losses.

(It is certainly true that there WILL be job losses if self driving vehicles become common! And there is clearly still substantial public doubt about the reliability and safety of the machines!)

Some people have pelted Waymo vans with rocks, according to police reports. Others have repeatedly tried to run the vehicles off the road. One woman screamed at one of the vans, telling it to get out of her suburban neighborhood. A man pulled up alongside a Waymo vehicle and threatened the employee riding inside with a piece of PVC pipe.

In one of the more harrowing episodes, a man waved a .22-caliber revolver at a Waymo vehicle and the emergency backup driver at the wheel. He told the police that he “despises” driverless cars, referring to the killing of a female pedestrian in March in nearby Tempe by a self-driving Uber car.

(Jn a case where a human driver makes a mistake and kills somebody there can at least be a trial and jail time so some sense of justice and punishment is created!!! But with self driving machines- there is no justice- the victim is carted away, the blood washed away and the machine sent back to the warehouse! Of course the company may suffer for having invested in the machine- but there will be nice tax write offs and such for the corporation!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“There are other places they can test,” said Erik O’Polka, 37, who was issued a warning by the police in November after multiple reports that his Jeep Wrangler had tried to run Waymo vans off the road — in one case, driving head-on toward one of the self-driving vehicles until it was forced to come to an abrupt stop.

His wife, Elizabeth, 35, admitted in an interview that her husband “finds it entertaining to brake hard” in front of the self-driving vans, and that she herself “may have forced them to pull over” so she could yell at them to get out of their neighborhood. The trouble started, the couple said, when their 10-year-old son was nearly hit by one of the vehicles while he was playing in a nearby cul-de-sac.

(The self driving vehicles clearly DO have an emergency human back up but one wonders how often they doze off - or get onto their phone for hours at a time since they have nothing to do except sit and wait for a disaster? Autonomous software is STILL NEW AND SUSPECT and human back ups are too often inattentive!!!!!!)

A pedestrian was struck and killed by a self-driving Uber vehicle at the intersection of Mill Avenue and Curry Road in Tempe, Ariz., in March.CreditCaitlin O'Hara for The New York Times
Image

“They didn’t ask us if we wanted to be part of their beta test,” added his wife, who helps run the business.

(That lack of consent to become part of a corporate experiment is clearly what is fueling public resentment!! We take the risks and the corporation takes the profit!!!!!!!)
At least 21 such attacks have been leveled at Waymo vans in Chandler, as first reported by The Arizona Republic. Some analysts say they expect more such behavior as the nation moves into a broader discussion about the potential for driverless cars to unleash colossal changes in American society. The debate touches on fears ranging from eliminating jobs for drivers to ceding control over mobility to autonomous vehicles.

“People are lashing out justifiably," said Douglas Rushkoff, a media theorist at City University of New York and author of the book “Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus.” He likened driverless cars to robotic incarnations of scabs — workers who refuse to join strikes or who take the place of those on strike.

“There’s a growing sense that the giant corporations honing driverless technologies do not have our best interests at heart,” Mr. Rushkoff said. “Just think about the humans inside these vehicles, who are essentially training the artificial intelligence that will replace them.”

The emergency drivers in the Waymo vans that were attacked in various cases told the Chandler police that the company preferred not to pursue prosecution of the assailants.

In some of their reports, police officers also said Waymo was often unwilling to provide video of the attacks. In one case, a Waymo employee told the police they would need a warrant to obtain video recorded by the company’s vehicles.

(In other words the company DOES KNOW how angry the public really is and is trying to defuse it with a low profile and no deliberate antagonism!!!!!!!!!)

Officer William Johnson of the Chandler Police Department described in a June report how the driver of a Chrysler PT Cruiser wove between lanes of traffic while taunting a Waymo van.

A manager at Waymo showed video images of the incident to Officer Johnson but did not allow the police to keep them for a more thorough investigation. According to Officer Johnson’s report, the manager said that the company did not want to pursue the matter, emphasizing that Waymo was worried about disruptions of its testing in Chandler.

(No doubt the company would prefer that the wider public outside Chandler NOT be aware of the true level of hostility to their vehicles as it would make it harder to expand into other cities???????)

The report said Waymo was concerned about the effect the attacks were having on its emergency drivers, who are intended to remain in monitoring mode. “The behavior is causing the drivers to resume manual mode over the automated mode because of concerns about what the driver of the other vehicle may do,” Officer Johnson wrote.

(IN other words the testing is being disrupted by the angry public and company is NOT getting good data since the computer is so often disengaged!!!!!!!!)

In a statement, a Waymo spokeswoman said the attacks involved only a small fraction of the more than 25,000 miles that the company’s vans log every day in Arizona.

“Safety is the core of everything we do, which means that keeping our drivers, our riders, and the public safe is our top priority,” said Alexis Georgeson, the Waymo spokeswoman. “Over the past two years, we've found Arizonans to be welcoming and excited by the potential of this technology to make our roads safer.”

(Uh huh - the corporate message belies the reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Ms. Georgeson said the company took the safety of its emergency drivers seriously and disputed claims that Waymo was trying to avoid bad publicity by opting against pursuing criminal charges.

“We report incidents we deem to pose a danger and we have provided photos and videos to local law enforcement when reporting these acts of vandalism or assault,” Ms. Georgeson said. “We support our drivers and engage in cases where an act of vandalism has been perpetrated against us.”

The authorities in Chandler and elsewhere in Arizona remain gladly open to Waymo and other driverless-car companies. Rob Antoniak, the chief operating officer of Valley Metro, which helps oversee the Phoenix metropolitan area’s transit system, said on Twitter that Arizona was still welcoming autonomous cars with “open arms” despite the attacks on Waymo vans.

“Don't let individual criminals throwing rocks or slashing tires derail efforts to drive the future of transportation,” Mr. Antoniak said.

But the official welcome mat has failed to persuade the naysayers.

One of them, Charles Pinkham, 37, was standing in the street in front of a Waymo vehicle in Chandler one evening in August when he was approached by the police.

“Pinkham was heavily intoxicated, and his demeanor varied from calm to belligerent and agitated during my contact with him,” Officer Richard Rimbach wrote in his report. “He stated he was sick and tired of the Waymo vehicles driving in his neighborhood, and apparently thought the best idea to resolve this was to stand in front of these vehicles.”

It worked, apparently. The Waymo employee inside the van, Candice Dunson, opted against filing charges and told the police that the company preferred to stop routing vehicles to the area.

(Ah- and who says you cannot fight corporate America? Or at least get them to steer clear of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Mr. Pinkham got a warning. The van moved on.

Jonathan Higuera contributed reporting. Alain Delaquérière and Jack Begg contributed research.
 
MHz
#1113
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

That`s nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why dont you wrap it around your head and see if it makes you 3x smarter????????????????????????


God knows you need the help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be honest you don't sound all that happy, nor did you even inquire about 'drifts', the snow kind rather than the racing kind.


Tinfoil and high voltage, . . . let me think on it.
 
spilledthebeer
#1114
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

To be honest you don't sound all that happy, nor did you even inquire about 'drifts', the snow kind rather than the racing kind.


Tinfoil and high voltage, . . . let me think on it.


"DRIFTS" you say??????????????????????????


Your thoughts are drifting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In a nonsensical random way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


Wrap that electrical heater tighter around your head..................................


maybe the reception will become clearer???????????????????????????????????????

 
MHz
#1115
You seem to be unaware that things that heat up expand rather than shrink. Now you know why you are the grasshopper in all of this. Hop to it, there are miles to go before we sleep.
 
spilledthebeer
#1116
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

You seem to be unaware that things that heat up expand rather than shrink. Now you know why you are the grasshopper in all of this. Hop to it, there are miles to go before we sleep.


Your analogy is flawed.............................


It has that much in common with your brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
taxslave
+1
#1117
IF the car is self driving why do they need a driver for back up?
 
Curious Cdn
#1118
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

IF the car is self driving why do they need a driver for back up?

They can't back up on their own?
 
Hoid
#1119
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

IF the car is self driving why do they need a driver for back up?

They don't.

That is a just a thing they have done to ease people's minds.

Full autonomy makes old people scared.
 
Hoid
#1120
^btw I am not being critical of this fear. AI is something you ought to be very concerned about.
 
spilledthebeer
#1121
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

They don't.

That is a just a thing they have done to ease people's minds.

Full autonomy makes old people scared.




And how OLD was that woman the Tesla S self driving sh+tbox ran over last year????????????????????????


And shall we assume that the white truck that a Tesla car thought was a cloud was REALLY OLD as well???????????????????

 
taxslave
+1
#1122
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

^btw I am not being critical of this fear. AI is something you ought to be very concerned about.

I get it. Much heavy equipment is automus or semi automus. And after the 737 Max problems there is good reason to be concerned. The system is only as good as the guy that wrote the software.BUt I think having someone sitting there gives a false sense of security because he/she will not be paying attention to the road. Which brings up the liability factor. Who will be held liable when one of these cars is responsible for an accident?
 
MHz
#1123
A dozer can grade a site to perfect specs and the operator is there to flip one switch on at the start and off when the grading is complete. The anti-theft devices also sent machine hours to CAT and they make sure the company does the maintenance that is suggested before that part fails in the field. The 'used parts' can be sold to owners who follow their own schedule and void the warranty at the same time.
Having an operator that knows what 'flat' is key to any grading when AI is not helping.
 
MHz
#1124
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

And after the 737 Max problems there is good reason to be concerned.

About what, human pilots cannot save a fly-by-wire plane? A passenger in a fly-by-wire car will not be able to prevent an accident either, that is why the driver is eliminated, no use more people dying in a fiery crash than need-be.
 
spilledthebeer
#1125
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

A dozer can grade a site to perfect specs and the operator is there to flip one switch on at the start and off when the grading is complete. The anti-theft devices also sent machine hours to CAT and they make sure the company does the maintenance that is suggested before that part fails in the field. The 'used parts' can be sold to owners who follow their own schedule and void the warranty at the same time.
Having an operator that knows what 'flat' is key to any grading when AI is not helping.


Oh MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHAT lunatic wrote the operating specs on your mental system??????????????????????????


Autonomous equipment is okay for a CLOSED SYSTEM like a mine shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But as I have said before...........................................


IT IS NOT READY for the open road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

 
Curious Cdn
#1126
httpAutonomous equipment is okay for a CLOSED SYSTEM like a mine shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ://youtu.be/xGi6j2VrL0o
 
Curious Cdn
#1127
Autonomous equipment is okay for a CLOSED SYSTEM like a mine shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://youtu.be/xGi6j2VrL0o
 
Hoid
#1128
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I get it. Much heavy equipment is automus or semi automus. And after the 737 Max problems there is good reason to be concerned. The system is only as good as the guy that wrote the software.BUt I think having someone sitting there gives a false sense of security because he/she will not be paying attention to the road. Which brings up the liability factor. Who will be held liable when one of these cars is responsible for an accident?

Tesla just announced that hey will be arranging for insurance reductions for autonomous vehicles based on the collective record of all these vehicles.

its something i have been trying to figure out.

it remains o be seen how it ends up working but he fact is they are far less likely to be in an accident and rates should reflect that,
 
MHz
#1129
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Autonomous equipment is okay for a CLOSED SYSTEM like a mine shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But as I have said before...........................................
IT IS NOT READY for the open road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

That is the trouble with 'your kind', you think your words are equal to writing something in stone. In the real world there is always progression and memos to let people know about them. You have never accepted any memo and never will yet you think you are the smart one as you 'know it all' while I am a 'work in progress' because I accept valid memos.
 
MHz
#1130
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Autonomous equipment is okay for a CLOSED SYSTEM like a mine shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://youtu.be/xGi6j2VrL0o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtwNKga6thw
Watch Robots Grow Food Without Farmers
 
MHz
#1131
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

its something i have been trying to figure out.

it remains o be seen how it ends up working but he fact is they are far less likely to be in an accident and rates should reflect that,

The injuries will be more severe and death being more likely than not while in a 'real car' you have hope that you will be 'thrown clear and just paralyzed or lose a few limbs '. lol
 
spilledthebeer
#1132
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtwNKga6thw
Watch Robots Grow Food Without Farmers






When can we see the other youtube video???????????????????????????


The one where LIE-beral minded MORONS get run over by autonomous vehicles.......................................... .......


that thought the obstacles in their path were clouds or some such thing???????


Here is an article illustrating what the general public thinks about self driving vehicles at this time!


With some comments of my own in brackets):

Wielding Rocks and Knives, Arizonans Attack Self-Driving Cars.

A Waymo autonomous vehicle in Chandler, Ariz., where the driverless cars have been attacked by residents on several occasions.CreditCaitlin O'Hara for The New York Times. Image

By Simon Romero

Published: Dec. 31, 2018

CHANDLER, Ariz. — The assailant slipped out of a park around noon one day in October, zeroing in on his target, which was idling at a nearby intersection — a self-driving van operated by Waymo, the driverless-car company spun out of Google.

He carried out his attack with an unidentified sharp object, swiftly slashing one of the tires. The suspect, identified as a white man in his 20s, then melted into the neighborhood on foot.

The slashing was one of nearly two dozen attacks on driverless vehicles over the past two years in Chandler, a city near Phoenix where Waymo started testing its vans in 2017. In ways large and small, the city has had an early look at public misgivings over the rise of artificial intelligence, with city officials hearing complaints about everything from safety to possible job losses.

(It is certainly true that there WILL be job losses if self driving vehicles become common! And there is clearly still substantial public doubt about the reliability and safety of the machines!)

Some people have pelted Waymo vans with rocks, according to police reports. Others have repeatedly tried to run the vehicles off the road. One woman screamed at one of the vans, telling it to get out of her suburban neighborhood. A man pulled up alongside a Waymo vehicle and threatened the employee riding inside with a piece of PVC pipe.

In one of the more harrowing episodes, a man waved a .22-caliber revolver at a Waymo vehicle and the emergency backup driver at the wheel. He told the police that he “despises” driverless cars, referring to the killing of a female pedestrian in March in nearby Tempe by a self-driving Uber car.

(Jn a case where a human driver makes a mistake and kills somebody there can at least be a trial and jail time so some sense of justice and punishment is created!!! But with self driving machines- there is no justice- the victim is carted away, the blood washed away and the machine sent back to the warehouse! Of course the company may suffer for having invested in the machine- but there will be nice tax write offs and such for the corporation!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“There are other places they can test,” said Erik O’Polka, 37, who was issued a warning by the police in November after multiple reports that his Jeep Wrangler had tried to run Waymo vans off the road — in one case, driving head-on toward one of the self-driving vehicles until it was forced to come to an abrupt stop.

His wife, Elizabeth, 35, admitted in an interview that her husband “finds it entertaining to brake hard” in front of the self-driving vans, and that she herself “may have forced them to pull over” so she could yell at them to get out of their neighborhood. The trouble started, the couple said, when their 10-year-old son was nearly hit by one of the vehicles while he was playing in a nearby cul-de-sac.

(The self driving vehicles clearly DO have an emergency human back up but one wonders how often they doze off - or get onto their phone for hours at a time since they have nothing to do except sit and wait for a disaster? Autonomous software is STILL NEW AND SUSPECT and human back ups are too often inattentive!!!!!!)

A pedestrian was struck and killed by a self-driving Uber vehicle at the intersection of Mill Avenue and Curry Road in Tempe, Ariz., in March.CreditCaitlin O'Hara for The New York Times
Image

“They didn’t ask us if we wanted to be part of their beta test,” added his wife, who helps run the business.

(That lack of consent to become part of a corporate experiment is clearly what is fueling public resentment!! We take the risks and the corporation takes the profit!!!!!!!)
At least 21 such attacks have been leveled at Waymo vans in Chandler, as first reported by The Arizona Republic. Some analysts say they expect more such behavior as the nation moves into a broader discussion about the potential for driverless cars to unleash colossal changes in American society. The debate touches on fears ranging from eliminating jobs for drivers to ceding control over mobility to autonomous vehicles.

“People are lashing out justifiably," said Douglas Rushkoff, a media theorist at City University of New York and author of the book “Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus.” He likened driverless cars to robotic incarnations of scabs — workers who refuse to join strikes or who take the place of those on strike.

“There’s a growing sense that the giant corporations honing driverless technologies do not have our best interests at heart,” Mr. Rushkoff said. “Just think about the humans inside these vehicles, who are essentially training the artificial intelligence that will replace them.”

The emergency drivers in the Waymo vans that were attacked in various cases told the Chandler police that the company preferred not to pursue prosecution of the assailants.

In some of their reports, police officers also said Waymo was often unwilling to provide video of the attacks. In one case, a Waymo employee told the police they would need a warrant to obtain video recorded by the company’s vehicles.

(In other words the company DOES KNOW how angry the public really is and is trying to defuse it with a low profile and no deliberate antagonism!!!!!!!!!)

Officer William Johnson of the Chandler Police Department described in a June report how the driver of a Chrysler PT Cruiser wove between lanes of traffic while taunting a Waymo van.

A manager at Waymo showed video images of the incident to Officer Johnson but did not allow the police to keep them for a more thorough investigation. According to Officer Johnson’s report, the manager said that the company did not want to pursue the matter, emphasizing that Waymo was worried about disruptions of its testing in Chandler.

(No doubt the company would prefer that the wider public outside Chandler NOT be aware of the true level of hostility to their vehicles as it would make it harder to expand into other cities???????)

The report said Waymo was concerned about the effect the attacks were having on its emergency drivers, who are intended to remain in monitoring mode. “The behavior is causing the drivers to resume manual mode over the automated mode because of concerns about what the driver of the other vehicle may do,” Officer Johnson wrote.

(IN other words the testing is being disrupted by the angry public and company is NOT getting good data since the computer is so often disengaged!!!!!!!!)

In a statement, a Waymo spokeswoman said the attacks involved only a small fraction of the more than 25,000 miles that the company’s vans log every day in Arizona.

“Safety is the core of everything we do, which means that keeping our drivers, our riders, and the public safe is our top priority,” said Alexis Georgeson, the Waymo spokeswoman. “Over the past two years, we've found Arizonans to be welcoming and excited by the potential of this technology to make our roads safer.”

(Uh huh - the corporate message belies the reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Ms. Georgeson said the company took the safety of its emergency drivers seriously and disputed claims that Waymo was trying to avoid bad publicity by opting against pursuing criminal charges.

“We report incidents we deem to pose a danger and we have provided photos and videos to local law enforcement when reporting these acts of vandalism or assault,” Ms. Georgeson said. “We support our drivers and engage in cases where an act of vandalism has been perpetrated against us.”

The authorities in Chandler and elsewhere in Arizona remain gladly open to Waymo and other driverless-car companies. Rob Antoniak, the chief operating officer of Valley Metro, which helps oversee the Phoenix metropolitan area’s transit system, said on Twitter that Arizona was still welcoming autonomous cars with “open arms” despite the attacks on Waymo vans.

“Don't let individual criminals throwing rocks or slashing tires derail efforts to drive the future of transportation,” Mr. Antoniak said.

But the official welcome mat has failed to persuade the naysayers.

One of them, Charles Pinkham, 37, was standing in the street in front of a Waymo vehicle in Chandler one evening in August when he was approached by the police.

“Pinkham was heavily intoxicated, and his demeanor varied from calm to belligerent and agitated during my contact with him,” Officer Richard Rimbach wrote in his report. “He stated he was sick and tired of the Waymo vehicles driving in his neighborhood, and apparently thought the best idea to resolve this was to stand in front of these vehicles.”

It worked, apparently. The Waymo employee inside the van, Candice Dunson, opted against filing charges and told the police that the company preferred to stop routing vehicles to the area.

(Ah- and who says you cannot fight corporate America? Or at least get them to steer clear of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Mr. Pinkham got a warning. The van moved on.

Jonathan Higuera contributed reporting. Alain Delaquérière and Jack Begg contributed research.
 
MHz
#1133
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

When can we see the other youtube video???????????????????????????


The one where LIE-beral minded MORONS get run over by autonomous vehicles.......................................... .......

. . . . as you desire, . . . . (because your kind is stupid and blind I have to tell you that 1913 and the creation of the FED is how the 7 year cycle began) The narrator misses that aspect of why America has crashed every 7 years going back that far. You better hope to hell somebody like the Bankers are pulling the strings.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmGDJ3kJqU0&t=1s
America's Rise and Fall | Jonathan Cahn | Sid Roth's It's Supernatural
 
MHz
#1134
Perhaps this was where the software came from originally, and used on 9/11 with 'great success'. Kind of like a drone pilot going 'postal digitally'. (notice no mortgages of anybody poor was harmed in the making of these sheeple)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNSDAaeIh7U
Christine
 
spilledthebeer
#1135
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

. . . . as you desire, . . . . (because your kind is stupid and blind I have to tell you that 1913 and the creation of the FED is how the 7 year cycle began) The narrator misses that aspect of why America has crashed every 7 years going back that far. You better hope to hell somebody like the Bankers are pulling the strings.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmGDJ3kJqU0&t=1s
America's Rise and Fall | Jonathan Cahn | Sid Roth's It's Supernatural




WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MHz you have some GREAT LSD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But you tell TERRIBLE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Those economic cycles have existed as long as we humans have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That boom and bust is the down side of capitalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


The little detail that lunatics like you are IGNORING is that it is now LIE-beral GOVT DEBT that is driving the boom and bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CTV news did a report on govt spending...........................


one that even an imbecile like you could understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



They took a camera to a sandwich shop near Parliament Hill.............................................. ..


and photographed the pack of civil service union HOGS ....................................


lined up out the door waiting to get their lunches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then the camera turned on the 6 women - all RECENT IMMIGRANTS........................................ ..


that were making and selling the sandwiches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


And the economics are elementary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cut back on HOG GRAVY.........................................


and or lay off some HOGS.........................................



and they start brown bagging lunch to save money........................................


and thus the number of HOGS coming to the shop WILL SHRINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With less customers......................................... .


shop owner will be FORCED to lay off women workers....................................


and since their only skill is making sandwiches.................................


they will be UNEMPLOYABLE in our more frugal economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And we will get tax bills for the welfare and health care and affordable housing that LIE-berals will supply to the unskilled immigrants that LIE-berals prefer choosing for Canada because such people are MOST LIKELY to VOTE LIE-beral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are working hard.....................................


as |i have said before.........................................


to turn our parliament into an out of control spending m achine with NO OFF SWITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals have SCREWED US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We cannot keep mindlessly borrowing money.............................


we cannot keep mindlessly importing illegals who require MAJOR govt supports that we cannot afford........................


and the LIE-berals have created such a mob of civil servants on that wonderful govt gravy train................................


the one that is fed and fueled by BORROWED MONEY THAT IS RUNNING OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That we are in for MAJOR BRAWLS as we restore economic sense and political logic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
 
MHz
#1136
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MHz you have some GREAT LSD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once the R&D is finished and it is time to go public with the program where I do the 'traveling' for 'the Client' and it is open to recreational trips as well as the medical ones that are the norm today. Growth industry ??? 'How to not tell a lie in 24 very hard steps, if it was easy the kit would be free, trust me.' is a scam but you will be rich before anybody finds out. Di you like the way I hid the part they are all capitalists. What will the say 'at the Club.' 'I got took 3 times yesterday by some 'Consumer'. I hate it when that happens.

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

But you tell TERRIBLE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Being a retard you probably have a term labeled 'good lie' while in mine all lies are terrible just by them existing at all. There is also an animal known as 'a terrible liar' but they are easily scared off most of the time and they are famous for sneaking up behind people.


Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Those economic cycles have existed as long as we humans have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Humans come in two varieties, eaters and eaten. There is no winner in a world like they have. There is, 'Owe, that hurt.' and, 'Fuk me did that ever hurt, right between the shoulder blades, . . . you bitch.'


Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

That boom and bust is the down side of capitalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

The shirt that said, 'Please God, give me another try.' was inspired by events that happened in Alberta. You are trying to preach to the choir, . . . , boy.

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

The little detail that lunatics like you are IGNORING is that it is now LIE-beral GOVT DEBT that is driving the boom and bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the way that they obey the memos from the bankers that are passed to them or when the speech they are to give arrives in the trunk that is otherwise full of money? One is 'speedy' and the other is faster. Either way you get what is paid for.

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

CTV news did a report on govt spending...........................

Somewhat like asking the fox to do a head-count before you lock up the chickens for the night.

Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

one that even an imbecile like you could understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For you to determine that you would have to know me. If it applied to you instead the parameters suggest a shirt skirt and no numbers mentioned at anytime was the 'show in full'.

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They took a camera to a sandwich shop near Parliament Hill.............................................. ..
and photographed the pack of civil service union HOGS ....................................
lined up out the door waiting to get their lunches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those the ones that do the paperwork for both foreign and local welfare cases or just one of them??

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And then the camera turned on the 6 women - all RECENT IMMIGRANTS........................................ ..

Is that the only camera in the location or is there some CCTV footage to show it wasn't all green-screened?? Can't be too careful these days, . . . and night really as they can be just as the carnage that goes on in broad daylight.

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that were making and selling the sandwiches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Pre-wrapped or like a buffet where you pick and choose?

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And the economics are elementary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm pretty sure everything in your world is as elementary as it can get.

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Cut back on HOG GRAVY.........................................

I don't see that happening really. The lagoons at the grow sites for hogs really needs some more R&D as it is far from 'perfect'.


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and or lay off some HOGS........................................./QUOTE]
May I suggest 1/2 the Federal Govt and 1/2 every Provincial Govt be fired right out of the box and if the ones lift feel overwhelmed the fired one will be offered that position. Win/win? Yes??

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and they start brown bagging lunch to save money........................................
How about : eat lunch with your breakfast and work right through and all your tasks for the day are done and you are off for the day at 1PM. At home you take a shit and have a snack and the 'do whatever'.
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and thus the number of HOGS coming to the shop WILL SHRINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With less customers......................................... .

shop owner will be FORCED to lay off women workers....................................

There will be 6 laid off women getting the training they need to be a welfare worker who doesn't need to take a break every 15 minutes and the firmer hogs are wallowing in front of their big screen that was a parting gift rather than the full pension like they were promised.


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and since their only skill is making sandwiches................................./QUOTE]
they will be UNEMPLOYABLE in our more frugal economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There will no training available for the office workers that will be getting their pink slip.


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And we will get tax bills for the welfare and health care and affordable housing that LIE-berals will supply to the unskilled immigrants that LIE-berals prefer choosing for Canada because such people are MOST LIKELY to VOTE LIE-beral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As well as the welfare workers who outnumber their clients by 3/1 on average.


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LIE-berals are working hard.....................................

at going as slow as possible . . .


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as |i have said before.........................................

Now stop talking if you audience is smart or repeat yourself because your audience is as dumb as a dull hammer. Here is the mic, your call, . . .


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to turn our parliament into an out of control spending m achine with NO OFF SWITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let the IMF become said switch. They are experts at it after all.

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LIE-berals have SCREWED US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have two holes and two political parties, do the math of how often you are getting fuked.


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We cannot keep mindlessly borrowing money.............................

Somebody should warn the bankers as they are further up-stream than we are, . . . . on second thought, nothing to see her, how about them leafs eh??
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we cannot keep mindlessly importing illegals who require MAJOR govt supports that we cannot afford........................

Yes we will if we don;t want the businesses associated with the way indistry to start laying people off. Think they will be a happy lot?? Think they will be unarmed??

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and the LIE-berals have created such a mob of civil servants on that wonderful govt gravy train................................

That get added to every change at election time. How many different sets of drapes for 'the big house'? 20?? 30??
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the one that is fed and fueled by BORROWED MONEY THAT IS RUNNING OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the only money that never dries up when their goal is to put you into debt. You don't have a strong suit do you??

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That we are in for MAJOR BRAWLS as we restore economic sense and political logic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Sounds expensive without any jobs being created IMO
 
JLM
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#1137
Canada may be but I'm not! Electricity doesn't just magically appear at the snap of your finger! This bull shit has to be thought through.
 
MHz
#1138
Using a genset and tower the size you find on a wind farm and sunk just off-shore and the current along both coast would spin them the same speed all year long. How many to power up both coasts and inland as far as possible?
 
spilledthebeer
#1139
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Using a genset and tower the size you find on a wind farm and sunk just off-shore and the current along both coast would spin them the same speed all year long. How many to power up both coasts and inland as far as possible?




Oh what a PEA BRAIN YOU ARE MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is bad enough that HUGE AMOUNTS of concrete and steel must be made and used to keep those wind towers upright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The carbon foot print of such a tower is thus MUCH LARGER THAN LIE-berals admit to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its just another piece of LIE-beral FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And since wind power is so unreliable in Ontari-owe.......................................


LIE-berals must keep natural gas fueled generation stations fully powered up .................................


And FULLY STAFFED........................................... ..........


Sitting idle......................................



But ready at a moments notice to take over when the wind gust passes and the wind power fades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The cost of the gas plants and the fuel they burn are simply MORE COSTS.................................


That LIE-berals leave OUT of their mouldy green equations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And I guess you CLOSED YOUR EYES when the news came on the other day and we got shots of a 150 ft high wind tower DISINTEGRATING near Pontypool Ont- that is on highway 35 south of Lindsey by the way..........................


And the tower was THREE YEARS OLD when something went wrong and blades started breaking AND BURNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So here is another question LIE-berals DID NOT ASK:::::


"WHAT IS THE SERVICE LIFE OF THESE COSTLY MACHINES???????????????????


All that exotic material and chemicals to make the composite blades............................................ .........


All that fossil fuel BURNED to make the TONNES of steel needed for the support towers...............................


All the TONNES of concrete needed to make the huge wind catching tower STAY UPRIGHT...................................


All the aluminum that was smelted for the wiring to connect to the grid...........................................


The HUGE CRANE and other machines needed to dig HUGE foundations....................................... ........


Haul concrete and other materials to the site...................................


More trucks and more steel needed for transmission line towers...........................


All this fossil fueled activity and the idiot thing BURNS in 3 years????????????????????


And how long will the others last??????????????????????????


This is the DIRTY SECRET of LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals THINK 5 years is a LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One has only to look at their electric toy cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The average gas powered car on our roads is ELEVEN YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the batteries on their electric TOY cars only last for TEN YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At the ten year point that COSTLY electric TOY will need to have its battery REPLACED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


An electric TOY car has a TERRIBLE service life compared to a gas powered car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the cost to get the same service life out of an electric TOY car as is offered by a gas car will be HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hypocrite LIE-berals care nothing for electric TOY car service life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the rest of us DO CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals are interested ONLY in the here and now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THEY NEVER PLAN.............................................. ..


for the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
MHz
#1140
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Oh what a PEA BRAIN YOU ARE MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is bad enough that HUGE AMOUNTS of concrete and steel must be made and used to keep those wind towers upright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, . . . When the gensets and prop are underwater they are held to the floor by a single cable, or a few if position is critical. An anchored blimp is the best example that is on land today. Service would be 2 super-tankers side-by-side and having a few cranes of suitable size to receive the module when it floats to the surface. Are you onboard or floundering still??