Trudeau 'welcomes' ethics probe of alleged PMO interference in SNC-Lavalin case

taxslave

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What are the chances that if the conservatives were in power today we would be right where we are now anyway?


I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest this would not be happening under a less PC government.For the simple reason that for the most part conservitives understand business better than Liberals. FRom everything I have read to date Lavlin has done nothing any of its international competitors don't do. In many parts of the world bribery is how things get done. So if we want companies of international stature to be based in Canada we cannot hobble them with rules that the competition does not have to follow. May not be right but that's how it is.
 

taxslave

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First no such thing as alt left.
second it is encouraging that you finally understand that large corporations are important to provinces.
I don't know that imported oil really should be carbon taxed by Canada.
And Quebec has long been regarded as the most corrupt state/province in Canada and the US because racist morons have long been around.
Cause imported oil doesn't polutes like Alberta oil.
Glad you recognize quebekers are rascist.
 

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First no such thing as alt left.
First, yes there is. They're called the NDP, been around for decades, although the Liberal Party of Canada has gone ALT-left as well.
second it is encouraging that you finally understand that large corporations are important to provinces.
Yes, because gross corporate corruption is soooo important to the provinces. Oh wait, only when it benefits the Liberals though, right? If Trudeau were a Conservative you'd still be screaming about this shit in 2030.
I don't know that imported oil really should be carbon taxed by Canada.
Why not? I thought carbon taxes were about reducing emissions, regardless of the source. And yet you support something as grossly un-Constitutional as a federal carbon tax with separate rates for each province.
And Quebec has long been regarded as the most corrupt state/province in Canada and the US because racist morons have long been around.
We know you're a racist moron, all you ALT-leftards are. Still doesn't detract from the fact that Quebec is the most corrupt state/province in Canada and the US. That isn't public perception either, dingus. It's a statement of fact from corporations and govts across the continent. I've heard numerous accounts of US-based businesses and non-Quebec based Canadian businesses complaining about their Quebec customers not paying them. When they want to order something they sure have someone who can speak English but the moment they are in arrears and get a call from some business's accounts receivable dept, suddenly there's not a single person who works there who can speak English.
For years the Quebec health insurance wouldn't pay out of province hospitals for services rendered to Quebec residents. It got to the point that after a while, a couple of provinces stopped accepting Quebec health cards because they knew they weren't going to be paid.
I guess Maclean's Magazine are a bunch of racist morons too eh? Ya stupid f*ck wit.
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-most-corrupt-province/

Maybe you're just jealous? Don't worry, The Economist thinks BC is by far and away the most corrupt province in Canada.
 

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'Canadians deserve answers': Opposition to press on with parliamentary probe after Gerald Butts resignation

SNC-Lavalin storm awaits returning MPs

OTTAWA - The opposition parties are charging back into the House of Commons today, loaded with questions for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau about what his office did to try to help the embattled Montreal engineering company SNC-Lavalin in its corruption case.
Before MPs left for a week in their ridings, Jody Wilson-Raybould was veterans affairs minister and Gerald Butts was Trudeau's principal secretary, his closest adviser.
Now they've both quit and it's still not clear what Butts or anyone else in the Prime Minister's Office might have done to push Wilson-Raybould on SNC-Lavalin when she was attorney general and had a say over the charges the company faces.
In the afternoon, the Commons justice committee is holding a closed-door meeting to discuss how its probe of the affair should go.
Opposition members want to call at least nine witnesses, including Butts, other top Trudeau aides and Wilson-Raybould, but Liberals on the committee have so far used their majority to keep the witness list to three.
For now, the committee is planning to look only at the political and legal roles of the justice minister as well as the inner workings of a so-called remediation agreement — the alternative to prosecution sought by SNC-Lavalin.
 

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Kelly McParland: If no one did anything wrong why two resignations and a PMO in crisis mode?

When Gerald Butts resigned as Justin Trudeau’s closest and most important adviser Monday, quitting the job that made him the most powerful man in Ottawa other than the prime minister, he offered an official (and somewhat lengthy) explanation.

“The Prime Minister of Canada’s Office is much larger and more important than any of its staff,” he said. It was “in the best interests of the office and its important work for me to step away.”

He noted he has been accused by “anonymous sources” of having put pressure on former justice minister and attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould over SNC-Lavalin’s efforts to escape prosecution on corruption charges. He categorically denied the allegations: “Any accusation that I or the staff put pressure on the attorney general is simply not true.”

Which raises the most intriguing aspect of Butts’s departure. He is, it has been widely reported, one of the prime minister’s closest friends. They’ve been pals since university days at McGill. A lot of people believe Trudeau would never have entered politics if not for Butts, and might not have succeeded in winning Canada’s highest office without his support and advice.

And yet he’s quitting, not over some egregiously misappropriate decision or action, but over something he, Trudeau and the Liberal party insist never happened. Butts not only dismissed the suggestion he acted inappropriately, but maintained the opposite.

“We honoured the unique role of the attorney general. At all times, I and those around me acted with integrity and a singular focus on the best interests of all Canadians.” Not only that, but he thought his relationship with Wilson-Raybould was fine. “From my perspective, our relationship has always been defined by mutual respect, candour and an honest desire to work together.”

That echoes Trudeau’s own assessment of the situation, which he admitted had left him perplexed. He said he was “surprised and disappointed” by her resignation. In no way did he put pressure on her to act against her will. If she felt otherwise, she should have come to him with her complaint. “The government of Canada did its job and to the clear public standards expected of it,” Trudeau maintained. “If anyone felt differently, they had an obligation to raise that with me. No one, including Jody, did that.”

All of which raises a very curious question. If Butts did absolutely nothing wrong; if neither he, the prime minister nor anyone else acted improperly in any manner; if this whole thing is, in essence, a figment of the imagination of Jody Wilson-Raybould, why is Butts stepping down and leaving the prime minister flailing for a solution to the worst crisis he’s faced since becoming prime minister?

Wilson-Raybould, remember, hasn’t said a word about the expanding disaster. When demoted from one of cabinet’s top posts, she kept her mouth closed about the reason, though she was clearly unhappy. There was no indication she planned to quit the new, lesser post as veterans affairs minister until Trudeau more or less forced her hand, suggesting that her continued presence in cabinet indicated she was OK with the way things were working out.



Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s chief of staff Katie TelfordPhoto by: L

All the allegations, as Butts attested, have been anonymous whispers. There has been a growing growl of dissent among admirers of the former minister, and near-universal agreement in the media that the prime minister has badly mishandled the situation, alienating women and Indigenous Canadians, some of the voter demographics he’s worked hardest to please. But from the individual at the centre of it all, we still have yet to hear directly. Wilson-Raybould says she is getting legal advice on what she can say. Meanwhile, people close to her say she still plans to seek re-election in October, and as a Liberal.

Given the absence of anything resembling a smoking gun, it would seem sensible, therefore, to wait and hear what she has to say before breaking up the partnership that largely put the Liberals in power. The question of why Butts isn’t doing that, and why Trudeau agreed with his decision, remains dangling over the whole odd affair even as Butts packs his bags.

It usually takes governments several mandates to stumble into the sort of trouble the Liberals are in. Usually it comes from age, exhaustion and the accumulation of political baggage. Jean Chretien won three majorities before the sponsorship scandal caught up to him, and he had retired before voters eventually removed his successor from office. Stephen Harper was prime minister for nine years before voters decided a change was in order. Trudeau has been in power for just three-quarters of a mandate, and the Lavalin controversy is just the latest in a string of serious missteps. A determined optimist might note that Lavalin has at least diverted attention from the furor over the detention of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, but it’s difficult to see much comfort arising from that fact.

Meng continues to await a Canadian judge’s ruling on whether to extradite her to the U.S., a decision seemingly certain to spark a new eruption from either China or the U.S., the two forces between which Ottawa is being squeezed. That will be followed by a decision on whether to exclude Huawei from Canadian 5G networks, which, again, will upset either Washington or Beijing. Meanwhile, the independence of the director of public prosecutions has been raised in yet another case with potent political implications: Kathleen Roussel’s office issued a statement denying it was directed by the Privy Council Office in the prosecution of Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, who asserts he was railroaded by allegations involving a $668 million naval supply ship, and is due in court in August, just as federal election campaigning picks up speed.

It’s a daunting tally of challenges the Liberals face as they gear up for the election that’s just eight months away. And Trudeau must now confront it without the man rightly or wrongly considered his Svengali. All over something the prime minister and his friend insist never happened.

Even for Canada, it’s a strange sort of scandal.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ke...why-two-resignations-and-a-pmo-in-crisis-mode
 

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Kelly McParland: If no one did anything wrong why two resignations and a PMO in crisis mode?
When Gerald Butts resigned as Justin Trudeau’s closest and most important adviser Monday, quitting the job that made him the most powerful man in Ottawa other than the prime minister, he offered an official (and somewhat lengthy) explanation.
“The Prime Minister of Canada’s Office is much larger and more important than any of its staff,” he said. It was “in the best interests of the office and its important work for me to step away.”
He noted he has been accused by “anonymous sources” of having put pressure on former justice minister and attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould over SNC-Lavalin’s efforts to escape prosecution on corruption charges. He categorically denied the allegations: “Any accusation that I or the staff put pressure on the attorney general is simply not true.”
Which raises the most intriguing aspect of Butts’s departure. He is, it has been widely reported, one of the prime minister’s closest friends. They’ve been pals since university days at McGill. A lot of people believe Trudeau would never have entered politics if not for Butts, and might not have succeeded in winning Canada’s highest office without his support and advice.
And yet he’s quitting, not over some egregiously misappropriate decision or action, but over something he, Trudeau and the Liberal party insist never happened. Butts not only dismissed the suggestion he acted inappropriately, but maintained the opposite.
“We honoured the unique role of the attorney general. At all times, I and those around me acted with integrity and a singular focus on the best interests of all Canadians.” Not only that, but he thought his relationship with Wilson-Raybould was fine. “From my perspective, our relationship has always been defined by mutual respect, candour and an honest desire to work together.”
That echoes Trudeau’s own assessment of the situation, which he admitted had left him perplexed. He said he was “surprised and disappointed” by her resignation. In no way did he put pressure on her to act against her will. If she felt otherwise, she should have come to him with her complaint. “The government of Canada did its job and to the clear public standards expected of it,” Trudeau maintained. “If anyone felt differently, they had an obligation to raise that with me. No one, including Jody, did that.”
All of which raises a very curious question. If Butts did absolutely nothing wrong; if neither he, the prime minister nor anyone else acted improperly in any manner; if this whole thing is, in essence, a figment of the imagination of Jody Wilson-Raybould, why is Butts stepping down and leaving the prime minister flailing for a solution to the worst crisis he’s faced since becoming prime minister?
Wilson-Raybould, remember, hasn’t said a word about the expanding disaster. When demoted from one of cabinet’s top posts, she kept her mouth closed about the reason, though she was clearly unhappy. There was no indication she planned to quit the new, lesser post as veterans affairs minister until Trudeau more or less forced her hand, suggesting that her continued presence in cabinet indicated she was OK with the way things were working out.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s chief of staff Katie TelfordPhoto by: L
All the allegations, as Butts attested, have been anonymous whispers. There has been a growing growl of dissent among admirers of the former minister, and near-universal agreement in the media that the prime minister has badly mishandled the situation, alienating women and Indigenous Canadians, some of the voter demographics he’s worked hardest to please. But from the individual at the centre of it all, we still have yet to hear directly. Wilson-Raybould says she is getting legal advice on what she can say. Meanwhile, people close to her say she still plans to seek re-election in October, and as a Liberal.
Given the absence of anything resembling a smoking gun, it would seem sensible, therefore, to wait and hear what she has to say before breaking up the partnership that largely put the Liberals in power. The question of why Butts isn’t doing that, and why Trudeau agreed with his decision, remains dangling over the whole odd affair even as Butts packs his bags.
It usually takes governments several mandates to stumble into the sort of trouble the Liberals are in. Usually it comes from age, exhaustion and the accumulation of political baggage. Jean Chretien won three majorities before the sponsorship scandal caught up to him, and he had retired before voters eventually removed his successor from office. Stephen Harper was prime minister for nine years before voters decided a change was in order. Trudeau has been in power for just three-quarters of a mandate, and the Lavalin controversy is just the latest in a string of serious missteps. A determined optimist might note that Lavalin has at least diverted attention from the furor over the detention of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, but it’s difficult to see much comfort arising from that fact.
Meng continues to await a Canadian judge’s ruling on whether to extradite her to the U.S., a decision seemingly certain to spark a new eruption from either China or the U.S., the two forces between which Ottawa is being squeezed. That will be followed by a decision on whether to exclude Huawei from Canadian 5G networks, which, again, will upset either Washington or Beijing. Meanwhile, the independence of the director of public prosecutions has been raised in yet another case with potent political implications: Kathleen Roussel’s office issued a statement denying it was directed by the Privy Council Office in the prosecution of Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, who asserts he was railroaded by allegations involving a $668 million naval supply ship, and is due in court in August, just as federal election campaigning picks up speed.
It’s a daunting tally of challenges the Liberals face as they gear up for the election that’s just eight months away. And Trudeau must now confront it without the man rightly or wrongly considered his Svengali. All over something the prime minister and his friend insist never happened.
Even for Canada, it’s a strange sort of scandal.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ke...why-two-resignations-and-a-pmo-in-crisis-mode
I wonder who else is sitting in the departure lounge at Trudeau International?
 

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First no such thing as alt left.

second it is encouraging that you finally understand that large corporations are important to provinces.

I don't know that imported oil really should be carbon taxed by Canada.

And Quebec has long been regarded as the most corrupt state/province in Canada and the US because racist morons have long been around.


POOR STUPID HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jininotex just owned your ass with his remarks about Lavalin stocks and Saudi oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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First, Wilson-Raybould is invited into the liberal cabinet meeting though no longer a member of such. Then it is announced that she will appear before the Justice Committee. What no one on the government side is willing or able to say is whether her appearance will actually open the doors on what if anything happened. The Great Enabler is still standing on privilege and who knows what her lawyer may have advised her to do in this matter. It could all be just more smoke and mirrors. Considering how many more pressing matters are being left by the wayside in this continuing drama, the sooner she opens her mouth the better it will be for the country.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4974625/snc-lavalin-affair-justin-trudeau-gerry-butts-resignation/