Sexual abuse, addiction, and counter-addiction policies

White_Unifier said:

In the light of different child-sexual-abuse scandals, some like to talk tough and propose policies based on pure emotionalism (like giving the victim a pistol with which to shoot the perpetrator). Unfortunately, there is little of any practical value in this. Firstly, I honestly don't see how giving a victim the opportunity to pull the trigger to kill the perpetrator will help the victim in any way. Who knows, it might help some victims, but I doubt it would help most. And that's assuming we can prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

Secondly, we tend to view addicts (often victims of childhood abuse) as cash cows. We encourage them to gamble (since it lowers our taxes), advertize alcohol (to boost aclohol sales) to them at every turn, legalize prostitution (to create jobs for trauma victims), and now marijuana too, etc. etc. etc.

Firstly, the victim can have many strong motives to keep abuse a deep secret. Secondly, it's hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt in court even if it's found out (and rightly so, since I would like to keep wrongful convictions to a minimum).

So, if we really care about victims of childhood abuse, what are actual practical solutions? While there may exist many, I'd start with an effective joint Federal-provincial-territorial-municipal counter-addiction policy.

To start, make Canadian passports free of charge to any Canadian citizen applying for one and add facial and finger-print scanning data to his passport data on request (purely voluntary). This would allow a casino to use the passport for passport and fingerprint scanning for example.

Then allow a person, when applying for his passport, to sign a self-exclusion form that would make it an offence puishable by a heavy fine to gamble (after proved guilt through due process of course). If he wants, he could add drinking to the prohibitions too. It could be a line-item self-exclusion declaration form that would allow him to check off the prohibitions that he wants to apply to himself, with the declaration auto-renewing ever five years until he requests for the autorenewal to stop.

Then require each casino to scan a person's passport and fingerprint to enter and block entry to any self-excluded person.

Then make access to online porn, gambling, and other addictive sites opt-in only with the customer having to show proof of age and lack of self-exclusion to the internet provider to opt in.

Then explore the possibility of expanding the self-exclusion policy to alcohol and other drugs and businesses in some manner too.

When a person does apply for his passport, have passport offices carry pamphlets with information pertaining to different kinds of addictions (both chemical and behavioural) and where to turn for help as well as the self-exclusion option when applying for a passport.

I think if we sincerely cared about victims of childhood sexual abuse (as opposed to just the online bravado about what we'd do to the perpetrators) and were looking for practical ways to help them in the formative years of their early adulthood to stay on course, then the above or something similar might serve as a practical step in that direction.

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Poor stupid white unifier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are NOT TALKING ABOUT the values of ordinary people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are discussing the VILE VALUES of CYNICAL LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for people such as the killers of eight year old Tory Stafford- you remember her right?????????????????


She was lured from school by Terry-lyn McClintick and handed over to that CHILD RAPIST RAFFERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rafferty raped the little girl TWICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In the first attack he managed to break two of her ribs while ripping into her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When he released her the poor bleeding torn up child STAGGERED to McClintick for aid...........................


But Rafferty decided that raping the little chIld was so much fun he wanted to do it AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So McClintick dragged the pain wracked child- bleeding from her ripped genitals BACK to Rafferty and handed her over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


McClintick testified at trial that once the child recognized another attack was to begin she let out a terrible shriek and cling to McClintick in panic and horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But McClintick peeled the girl loose and left her for the second attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Rafferty had his fun- ripping and tearing at a hysterical child..................


and then they held the child down and beat the child to death with repeated blows with the hammer that McClintick had previously purchased specifically FOR THAT PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The general public looks at those child killers with horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- McClintick suffered abuse as a child.........................


WE heard less about Rafferty so cannot speak directly to how he became such a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bad enough that he forced himself on the child the first time.......BUT HOW..............could he have enjoyed it enough to DO HER AGAIN???????????????????????????


In spite of the obvious blood and pain????????????????????????????????


ORDINARY PEOPLE believe that BOTH McClintick and Rafferty are DISEASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Their minds are damaged in ways that make them UNFIT to be allowed loose in society!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But it is LIE-berals who are trying to groom these two child ABUSING RABID DOGS for eventual PAROLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You do not hate a rabid dog for being sick......but you dont let it run free either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But LIE-berals ARE PLANNING to let Rafferty and McClintick LOOSE in public......................just so they can save SOME gravy for themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such is the scale and scope of LIE-beral GREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

White_Unifier said:

I'm talking from experience on this one. I can tell you that a highly cost-effective way to help adult victims of childhood abuse is to develop an effectvie self-exclusion policy perhaps modeled on the Singaporean model but maybe expanding it to other domains too.

What's youre experience, or are you saying that adult victims of childhood sexual abuse are just all poor stupid Lie-barels?

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What I am telling you is that our justice system has been taken over AND THOROUGHLY POISONED BY SHAMELESS VOTE BUYING



LIE-berals..............seeking to cling to power at any price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are REFUSING to take criminal activity seriously until things get so out of control that LIE-vberals become terrified of public reaction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This is why LIE-berals can insist that crime rates are DOWN even as violence and fraud reach epic proportions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are quite literally CREATING VICTIMS BY THEIR REFUSAL TO TAKE ANY LOGICAL ACTION against crime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-beral refusal to offer up mental health treatments is allowing yet another generation of kids be abused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Consider:


Here is yet another article illustrating yet again why cops are entitled to think the public are mostly untreated LUNATICS. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Child forced to brush teeth with cat feces: Cops

Associated Press. Published: October 31, 2017. Updated:
October 31, 2017 9:00 AM EDT. Filed Under:
Toronto SUN News Crime

SAN ANTONIO — Investigators say a San Antonio-area couple punished their three young children by forcing one to brush her teeth with cat feces, using a shock collar as punishment and beating them with a thorny switch.

(I guess the title says it all?)

Thirty-two-year-old James Chalkley and 22-year-old Cheyanne Chalkley were being held Tuesday on charges of injury to a child. James Chalkley is the father of a 3-year-old boy and two girls who are 5 and 10. Cheyanne Chalkley is their stepmother.

Arrest warrants show a teacher noticed bruising on the 5-year-old in September. Investigators say interviews with child-protective workers revealed the extent of their punishments.

The 5-year-old told authorities that her father used a dog’s shock collar on her that left green marks on her skin.

Jail records indicate no attorneys have been appointed for the Chalkleys.

(NO attorney for these knuckleheads? Would YOU want to stand up in court and defend people like these? And you also have to wonder how much influence things like drugs and alcohol played in this mess?)

White_Unifier said:

You'll catch few abusers since children sill seldom reveal it except in certain types of abuse. As a result, if you really want to help them, you want to help them through the trauma of the experience as adults. But since you won't know that they've suffered trauma, you can reasonably suppose that most addicts whether gambling, alcohol, etc. have suffered some kind of trauma and so an effective policy for that is the best bet to help them.

What you're forgetting is that we need to discover the abuser and then convict him first unless you want to do away with due process?

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Here is some standard delusional LIE-beral style propaganda from white unifier! It is just the usual fresh, ripe steaming pile of straight from the back of the Bull organic fertilizer that LIE-berals spew in hope of distracting from their failures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOTE - That in each example I have cited- Children`s Aid WAS involved AND DID NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOTE -also that Unifier NEVER ADDRESSES the issue of McClintick and Rafferty - the RAPIST/KILLERS of 8 year old Tory Stafford that LIE-berals are trying to PAROLE- when public anger SUBSIDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With some comments of my own in brackets):

Unifier claims: You'll catch few abusers since children seldom reveal it except in certain types of abuse. As a result, if you really want to help them, you want to help them through the trauma of the experience as adults.

(Consider Jeffery Baldwin- taken away from his abusive parents by Childrens Aid- and handed over to an aunt and uncle- and it was ONLY AFTER the kid starved to DEATH in a basement that authorities noticed the aunt and uncle were REGISTERED CHILD ABUSERS!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Or we could discuss Lisa Podniewizc whose drug addled parents beat her to dearth under the SUPERVISION of Childrens Aid workers! BOTH parents were hard core addicts - with Mom working full time as a hooker to support the family drug addiction- with welfare supporting the six kids from Hooking!!!!!!!!)

(The day before the kid died of pneumonia brought on by lung infections from her broken ribs - an Aid Worker actually came to the house to CHECK ON THE KID and noticed nothing unusual!! The Worker brought the girl an ankle bracelet as a gift- and did not notice - as she buckled it on- that the kids LEG HAD BEEN BROKEN! Just the parents being PISSY YET AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(The problem most Cdns have with the LIE-beral position is how little effort LIE-berals are realy putting into offering aid TO ANY AGE GROUP! The ugly reality is that Child Services is just going through the motions........and then doing a half assed job of sweeping up the debris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Consider Randal Dooley- the TRUE epitome of all that is wrong with LIE-beral policy! His father was CONVICTED drug dealer Anthony Dooley - born in Jamaica- who went to United States and served a jail sentence in United States
for dealing cocaine!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Anthony was sent back to Jamaica -but quickly showed up in Canada claiming REFUGEE STATUS! With idiot LIE-berals willing to hear his claim!!!!!!!)

(Refugee Dooley hooked up with common law wife Marcia Dooley- another Jamaican “refugee” who was also being investigated for welfare fraud! Randal Dooley was lured away from his mother in Jamaica to Toronto as dad Anthony figured he would look more “established” if he had a kid living with him!)

(Randal lived in Toronto for 3 years before he was beaten to death by his parents! He spent 2 years in school- with his teacher contacting Childrens Aid with her concerns over how he was being treated- as she was legally obligated to do!!!!!!!)

(Children`s Aid opened a file on Randal but did little! To cover his tracks-Anthony took Randal out of school at the year end and kept him home for the final year of his life!)

(With Randal out of sight of teachers- there were no more complaints made about his condition- so Children`s Aid willingly FORGOT ABOUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Of course once Randal DIED of the repeated beatings he received then the LIE-beral legal system swept in to take charge and render JUSTICE! Toronto Red Star told us back then that a typical defence lawyer would be paid half a million dollars
for a typical murder trial- with prosecution getting similar expenses!)

(So LIE-beral justice looks like this: operate a grossly costly immigration system which can be exploited by any clown that cares to do so! Make teachers legally responsible for reporting cases of suspected child abuse to Children`s Aid- and then encourage Children`s Aid NOT to waste resources actually doing any real investigating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Encourage all authorities to ignore the festering MESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE- including NO followup after Randal disappeared from school! LIEberals demonstrated a TOTAL INDIFFERENCE to the kids fate - TILL AFTER HE DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(At that point LIE-berals paid out over two million dollars for the murder trial! Plus we are paying three hundred grand per year combined to keep Anthony and Marcia Dooley in jail for 25 years!!!!!!! After the sentence ends Cdns will then get to pay to deport the two kid killers back to Jamaica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(So called LIE-beral justice has failed Cdn tax payers and it has CERTAINLY FAILED Randal Dooley - AND a lot of other kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Unifier says: BUT you won't know that they've suffered trauma, you can reasonably suppose that most addicts whether gambling, alcohol, etc. have suffered some kind of trauma and so an effective policy for that is the best bet to help them.

(Except that LIE-BERALS ARE NOT HELPING! All that LIE-berals are offering is PLEA BARGAINING that makes major crimes into minor ones and makes minor crimes disappear entirely! LIE-berals are NOT rehabilitating nor are they protecting the public by jailing hard core repeat offenders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(The lie-beral legal system has become so slow and awkward that in summer 2017 -judges RELEASED SEVEN ACCUSED KILLERS! And in that same year they also released 4 accused fraud artists who had stolen a total of $44 million dollars between them! The whining LIE-beral excuse was “they did not have the resources to give trials in reasonable time frames!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

What you're forgetting is that we need to discover the abuser and then convict him first unless you want to do away with due process?


I'm talking from experience on this one. I can tell you that a highly cost-effective way to help adult victims of childhood abuse is to develop an effective self-exclusion policy perhaps modeled on the Singaporean model but maybe expanding it to other domains too.

(In places like Singapore THEY CANE criminals for various offenses! Corporal punishement is swiftly delivered for many offenses! And hard jail time is available to protect the public from crimiunals who cannot be rehabilitated!!!)

(The Singaporean jail system is now operated by the Red Chinese govt- the one that CHARGES THE FAMILY FOR THE BULLET THEY USED TO EXECUTE THE CRIMINAL WITH!! The Red Chinese system has been laid over the old British legal system!! A criminal sentence over there in Singapore has NEVER - not even during British administration- been similar to anything a FAKE NEWS spewing LIE-beral would EVER advocate for use in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WU's War on Sex continues.

So far, sex is winning.

White_Unifier said:

The OP never even mentioned sex. Now I know that you don't even bother reading before you comment.

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"In the light of different child-sexual-abuse scandals. . ."

White_Unifier said:

In the light of different child-sexual-abuse scandals, some like to talk tough and propose policies based on pure emotionalism (like giving the victim a pistol with which to shoot the perpetrator). Unfortunately, there is little of any practical value in this. Firstly, I honestly don't see how giving a victim the opportunity to pull the trigger to kill the perpetrator will help the victim in any way. Who knows, it might help some victims, but I doubt it would help most. And that's assuming we can prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

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Perhaps it is what they would do if it was ever about to happen to them, . . . again. That option could always be on the table, if sexual abuse has lasting impressions I think 'cold blooded murder' would be even more traumatic effects and if you can't reverse the lasting effects of the lesser crime it stand to reason even less support will be there so you might as well put two bullets in the gun . . . do I need to do the math??
Sending a person to jail is about protecting future crimes from happening. Preventing the crime is the best way to protect a victim, after the crime help seems to have some flaws as far as 'being effective across the board'. Taking care of the ones that do not recovers creates employment and free meds make sure big pharma has clients for all their latest 'meds'.

Secondly, we tend to view addicts (often victims of childhood abuse) as cash cows. We encourage them to gamble (since it lowers our taxes), advertize alcohol (to boost aclohol sales) to them at every turn, legalize prostitution (to create jobs for trauma victims), and now marijuana too, etc. etc. etc.

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An addiction that is under control is 'a hobby'. An addiction that is not a hobby is there because it is a distraction so it is using that aspect of it for the wrong reason. Add in sports and even following 'pro-sports' when in hobby mode to a certain extent, the darker side and the one that may bring in more cash overall are distractions that use products from the 'black market'. When adding up the value all parameters should be included just ti make the scope of it all has an 'upper-limit'. How about a ratio of 15% for the people needed to run the globe or a city, 3% of them are the 'planners' and the rest make the plans real. The 85% 'have no rights and are kept as close to starvation level as possible'. Addicts are a manufactured group so the effects are noted by the 12% and the notes from all 12 are given to the 3% so they alone see how all 12 pieces fit into 'the big picture'.
If there were as many brothels as there were churches there would be less crime and people would all smile more. Women over 18 who dress up as whatever the client wants in a camera free zone. Laundry service available 'as you wait'. No ads needed, follow the deepest/widest path. Pompeii without the sad ending.

Of you can make fun of something it is no longer a skeleton on your closet, that is when an addiction can be beaten and not thought about again. If it is thought about you have some more work to do. This is where it becomes suicide prevention. A child that is giving 'dad' a 'b'j when they are 3 will be in the grave by their own hand by the time they are 30 and often the reason remains a mystery to the ones left behind and nobody else knows they were even alive. There should be 1 of this type in every group of 10 people that has 1 member that has been there for 10 weeks and the next one has been there for 9 weeks and the newest member is starting their 1st week. Over the 10 weeks certain areas are covered and traumatic experiences in the past that are triggered by events happening today are the issues that go from uncontrollable drama to one line that is said as humorous as possible if you like the person in front of you, sarcasm will work in them as well as people you don't like. The past cannot be changed, what can change is letting time make you smart enough to make events unfolding in from of you to be to your liking as much as possible. If not make murder because they reminded you of the past legal. The 'they needed killing defense' if you will.

Firstly, the victim can have many strong motives to keep abuse a deep secret. Secondly, it's hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt in court even if it's found out (and rightly so, since I would like to keep wrongful convictions to a minimum).

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How about the BP band from a lie detector be pit on the accused's dick and a very graphic reenactment of the assault given him a boner instead of puking into the trashcan would mean the victim gets medical treatment and the test leaked to the local community also wouldn't hurt anything. In a brothel it might trigger a small light on you that the hooker can use to decide what you need next, including running from the room before shit happens.

So, if we really care about victims of childhood abuse, what are actual practical solutions? While there may exist many, I'd start with an effective joint Federal-provincial-territorial-municipal counter-addiction policy.

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The care factor is determined by the solutions divided by the ones implemented. Zero progress, trafficking in people is the core of the issue, looking at the bottom only dies nothing to fix the top and that is the beginning of the problem. There is no kind way to say that.

To start, make Canadian passports free of charge to any Canadian citizen applying for one and add facial and finger-print scanning data to his passport data on request (purely voluntary). This would allow a casino to use the passport for passport and fingerprint scanning for example.

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I would go with a global one based on it being issued at birth and lasting your lifetime. Patents are 'paid by the child' so that and having the smartest parent be the primary caregiver. Public school might have a student bring his parents in for meals rather than the money is used at home as they are simply lousy cooks.

Then allow a person, when applying for his passport, to sign a self-exclusion form that would make it an offence puishable by a heavy fine to gamble (after proved guilt through due process of course). If he wants, he could add drinking to the prohibitions too. It could be a line-item self-exclusion declaration form that would allow him to check off the prohibitions that he wants to apply to himself, with the declaration auto-renewing ever five years until he requests for the autorenewal to stop.

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That would be a thread by itself, . . . a long one.

Then require each casino to scan a person's passport and fingerprint to enter and block entry to any self-excluded person.

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Do you want it to last a lifetime or never start in the first place??

Then make access to online porn, gambling, and other addictive sites opt-in only with the customer having to show proof of age and lack of self-exclusion to the internet provider to opt in.

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A vibrating couch and an in-line brothel might be one of those 'cash cows' as you show up with a note from your doc telling the Madam what kind of 'stay' you need. If the Doc asks for a video copy he needs an appointment himself.

Then explore the possibility of expanding the self-exclusion policy to alcohol and other drugs and businesses in some manner too.

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Most big breakthroughs come from people involved at the hobby level. Tourism is what healthy people like as it is part of 'being outside in the light'.

When a person does apply for his passport, have passport offices carry pamphlets with information pertaining to different kinds of addictions (both chemical and behavioural) and where to turn for help as well as the self-exclusion option when applying for a passport.

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We are at the 7/11 level with a 'full points card', pick a reward based in where your money has gone.

2084, 100 years to perfect 'complete freedom'.

I think if we sincerely cared about victims of childhood sexual abuse (as opposed to just the online bravado about what we'd do to the perpetrators) and were looking for practical ways to help them in the formative years of their early adulthood to stay on course, then the above or something similar might serve as a practical step in that direction.

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A morning after pill for all possible effects of sexual abuse??? . . . I kind of like the idea, . . . should I seek help???

Tecumsehsbones said:

"In the light of different child-sexual-abuse scandals. . ."

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White unifier attended the same School of Logic and Rhetoric as HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals do not have the logic to understand why all their policies are FAILING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!