Systemic abuse of children

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I honestly don't see what we can do to prevent the sexual or other abuse of children beyond what we are doing now.

For that reason, we should shift our focus on helping the victims. Since we usually won't know who's a victim due to all kinds of motives to keep it a deeply hidden secret, we may need policies that just help the general public.

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Maybe prosecuting more than one pedo a year would be a good start considering it is a global industry.
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201902121072348653-epstein-sex-abuse-probe/
Sweetheart Deals, Honey Traps: Analyst on Epstein Sex Scandal, Mueller, Clintons

The Jeffrey Epstein 2008 sex scandal that cast shadows on many prominent world figures has resurfaced again, raising questions about how the billionaire managed to get away with so many sex abuse cases. Speaking to Sputnik, Wall Street analyst Charles Ortel shared his views on ex-FBI chief Robert Mueller and the Clintons' role in the Epstein saga.

On 6 February, the Department of Justice (DOJ) opened a probe into the handling of the Epstein child molesting case by Labour Secretary Alex Acosta — then the US attorney for Southern Florida — and other DOJ attorneys in 2008.
 

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Maybe prosecuting more than one pedo a year would be a good start considering it is a global industry.
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201902121072348653-epstein-sex-abuse-probe/
Sweetheart Deals, Honey Traps: Analyst on Epstein Sex Scandal, Mueller, Clintons
The Jeffrey Epstein 2008 sex scandal that cast shadows on many prominent world figures has resurfaced again, raising questions about how the billionaire managed to get away with so many sex abuse cases. Speaking to Sputnik, Wall Street analyst Charles Ortel shared his views on ex-FBI chief Robert Mueller and the Clintons' role in the Epstein saga.
On 6 February, the Department of Justice (DOJ) opened a probe into the handling of the Epstein child molesting case by Labour Secretary Alex Acosta — then the US attorney for Southern Florida — and other DOJ attorneys in 2008.

You got to prove it beyond reasonable doubt first, and a victim has many reasons to keep it a deeply held secret.
 

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That is made as hard as possible to protect the guilty. Even without that where is the support that erases the effects?

More often than not does the victim not end up at the pharmacy every month?? No justice and no quick and full recovery as it stands. Now let it sink in that it is designed to be that way and a lot of time and energy go into making thing just the way they are rather than despite hell and high water some people just will not let themselves 'be helped' into becoming extinct.
 

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That is made as hard as possible to protect the guilty. Even without that where is the support that erases the effects?
More often than not does the victim not end up at the pharmacy every month?? No justice and no quick and full recovery as it stands. Now let it sink in that it is designed to be that way and a lot of time and energy go into making thing just the way they are rather than despite hell and high water some people just will not let themselves 'be helped' into becoming extinct.

It's not designed to be that way. The child can fear that his father will blame him or he may fear hurting his mother by telling her, etc. etc. etc.

And I still believe in the presumption of innocence.
 

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Think of is this way. You love your mother and you don't want to hurt her by telling her what your babysitter did to you. Even as an adult, it can be difficult, let alone as a child.
 

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That is made as hard as possible to protect the guilty. Even without that where is the support that erases the effects?

I'm not sure one can 'erace' the effects. All he can really do is to address the symptoms. That's where better support for addicts of different kinds comes in. And however much we might sympathize with adult victims of child abuse, sometimes tough love is precisely what they need, and that's where some kind of self-exclusioni policy similar to Singapore's can come in.
 

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It's not designed to be that way. The child can fear that his father will blame him or he may fear hurting his mother by telling her, etc. etc. etc.

And I still believe in the presumption of innocence.
Maybe you don't see any of the harm done.


It is an industry and I would also bet the effects that longer when no treatment is applies is also a known fact and it makes that person a lot more docile most of the time. If any of this is new then have you done your homework because it sounds like you might be taking the wring side.

Even without a criminal conviction why is the full recover all but impossible to achieve if the fact of it even happening is put to impossible standards to prove.

Put a device on his prick during the interview. If he gets an erection he is guilty until proven innocent.
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Unresolved emotional issues make big pharma how much money per year? (while the patients never get any better)
https://www.aswllp.com/Sexual-Moles...-Term-Effects-of-Childhood-Sexual-Abuse.shtml
Much has been written about the long term effects of childhood sexual abuse. The most obvious effect is psychological harm which includes, but is not limited to, depression, post traumatic stress disorder, behavioral problems, including sexualized behavior, poor self-esteem, academic problems and suicide. Victims of childhood sexual abuse can expect to incur higher future health care costs due to these effects, and it is not uncommon for victims to "victimize" others or become sexually promiscuous at an early age. Prostitutes and pedophiles often explain that their first sexual experience was being molested as a child.
The long term effects of childhood sexual abuse can be serious and that is why victims need psychological evaluation, care and treatment. Victims need time to deal with what has happened to them. Long term psychiatric and psychological care is expensive and often is not covered by insurance. When it is covered, the treatment periods are usually limited. Provision has to be made for likely future treatment around foreseeable stressful periods in a person's adult life, including dating, marriage and having a family. Prior episodes of childhood sexual abuse can be replayed in a victim's mind at these stressful times.
Counseling and therapy are the best ways to mitigate the long term effects of sexual abuse. Unfortunately, health insurance generally limits the amount of therapy it will cover and the victims must bear the costs of extensive treatment. Because many victims cannot afford to pay the high costs of the necessary therapy and simply do not receive all the treatment they need, the long term effects of sexual abuse are more pronounced.
Serious long term consequences of child abuse also include the following:

-One third of abused children will eventually victimize their own children
-80% of abused children meet the diagnostic criteria for at least one psychiatric disorder at age 21 (including but not limited to anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and eating disorders).
-Abused children are 25% more likely to experience teen pregnancy.
-Abused teens are three times less likely to practice safe sex.
-14.4% of all men imprisoned in the United States were abused as children.
-36.7% of all women in prison were abused as children.
-Children who have been sexually abused are 2.5 times more likely to develop alcohol abuse.
-Children who have been sexually abused are 3.8 times more likely to develop drug addictions.
[See, Administration for Children & Families of the US Department of Health and Human Services, "Child Maltreatment Report, 2003; National Institute on Drug Abuse 2000 Report.]
It is important to recover the costs of the necessary treatment from the perpetrator or the organization that enabled the perpetrator to have access to the vulnerable victims to ensure that the resources are available to the victim to cope over time with the devastating effects of sexual abuse. To recover these costs, it is important to act quickly to preserve the evidence needed to prove a sexual abuse case. Witnesses, documents and scientific evidence (e.g., DNA) tend to disappear relatively fast in these cases.

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Studies reporting on mental health disorders and suicidality

Authors Sample/type of study Findings Gender differences Australia



Cutajar et al. (2010b) Data linkage for cohort of 2,759 victims of child sexual abuse in forensic medical records 1964-1995 with coronial records up to 44 years later. Significantly higher rate of suicide or accidental fatal overdose among child sexual abuse victims than in general population. Female sexual abuse victims had 40 times higher risk of suicide, 88 times higher for fatal overdose; for males, 14 times and 38 times respectively.



Martin, Bergin, Richardson, Roeger, & Allison (2004) Cross-sectional community survey with 2,485 adolescents at 27 SA schools. Strong association between sexual abuse and suicidal ideation and behaviour (plans, threats and attempts), especially for boys:

  • 10-fold increased risk for suicidal plans and threats compared with non-abused peers;
  • 15-fold increase for attempted suicide; and
  • 3-fold increase for girls that was mediated by distress, hopelessness and family functioning.
Prevalence of self-reported child sexual abuse (undefined) was 5% for girls and 2% for boys; stronger association between sexual abuse and suicidality among males.



Nelson et al. (2002) Co-twin: Examined 1,991 same-sex pairs of twins (1,159 female and 832 male pairs). The twin reporting child sexual abuse had significantly greater risk for all 8 adverse outcomes (major depression, suicide attempt, conduct disorder, alcohol dependence, nicotine dependence, social anxiety, rape after the age of 18 years, and divorce) than their non-abused twin.
Increased risks associated with child sexual abuse involving intercourse.
Prevalence of child sexual assault of 17% for women and 5% for men; significantly increased risk for suicide among both women and men, after taking account of family background. Plunkett et al. (2001) Prospective 9-year follow-up of 183 male and female sexually abused children. The observed suicide rate in sexually abused children was 10.7-13.0 times that of the Australian national rate. 24% females and 9% of males had attempted suicide by 9-year follow-up. New Zealand


Fergusson et al. (1996)
Fergusson, Beautrais & Horwood (2003)
Fergusson et al. (2008)
Prospective longitudinal cohort study of 1,265 children born in 4-month period in mid 1977, followed regularly to age 25 years in this New Zealand study (Christchurch Health and Development Study). 25 year-olds who experienced attempted or completed sexual penetration as children had rates of mental health disorder (including suicide ideation and attempts, depression and anxiety, substance dependence) that were 2.4 times higher than those not exposed to child sexual abuse; this effect remained significant after taking into account various measures of family functioning and socio-economic status. No gender difference found. Martin, Anderson, Romans, & Herbison (1993) Random, stratified community sample of 1,376 adult women. Significant associations found between child sexual abuse and higher levels of psychopathology, with higher rates of substance abuse and suicidal behaviour, after controlling for family dysfunction; more severe the abuse, the higher the level of psychopathology. Female sample only.



Scott et al. (2010) Retrospective nationally representative cohort study of 2,144 16-27 year-olds from a mental health survey; 221 were identified as having records on a national child protection agency database. After adjusting for demographic and socio-economic correlates, child protection agency history was associated with several individual mental disorders, mental disorder co-morbidity, and all mental disorder groups, both 12-month and lifetime. Adjusted for sex, as well as age, ethnicity, maternal education, respondent education, and current household income.


USA Briere & Elliott (2003) Random: Geographically stratified, general population sample of 1,442 adults. Child sexual abuse was associated with a range of trauma symptoms including depression, anxiety, anger, intrusive experiences and sexual concerns after controlling for age, sex, race and income and history of physical abuse. 14% of males and 32% of females reported child sexual abuse.



Brown et al. (1999) Prospective: A cohort of 776 randomly selected children, followed for 17 years. Compared with physical abuse and neglect, child sexual abuse was found to carry the greatest risk for depression and suicide, independent of demographic, parent and child characteristics. Gender and age were taken into account in the analyses but no differences were reported. Kendler et al. (2000) Twin study in which one twin had been sexually abused, drawn from a sample of 1,411 adult female twins. The twin reporting child sexual abuse was consistently at higher risk for lifetime psychiatric and substance use disorders compared with their non-abused co-twin; as severity of the abuse increased, so did the odds ratios. Female sample only.

Molnar, Berkman et al. (2001) Nationally representative sample of 5,877 Americans aged 15 to 54 years. Among those sexually abused as children, odds of suicide attempts were 2-4 times higher among women and 4-11 times higher among men, compared with those not abused, after controlling for other adversities. Higher odds suicide for males than females. Trickett, Noll, & Putnam (2011) 84 females (6-16 years old) with Child-Protection-Service-substantiated sexual abuse, including genital contact and/or penetration by a family member and a demographically similar comparison group ( n = 82); children and older caregivers for key participants included. Sexually abused women at follow-up aged 25 more likely to engage in self-mutilation, risky sexual activity, abuse drugs and alcohol, experience more lifetime traumas, PTSD, fail to complete high school, and qualify for at least one DSM diagnosis.
Potent "sleeper effects" emerge over longer developmental time spans than previously documented, including increasing obesity and high rates of intimate partner abuse in early adulthood.
Female sample only. Various - meta-analyses
Neuman, Houskamp, pollock, & Briere (1996) Meta-analysis of 38 studies involving adult women. Significant associations between sexual abuse and a number of measures of psychological adjustment - anxiety, anger, depression, suicidality, self-mutilation, sexual problems, substance abuse, impairment of self-concept, interpersonal problems, obsessions and compulsions, dissociation, post-traumatic stress responses, and somatisation as well as re-victimisation. Females examined only.

Paolucci, Genuis, & Violato (2001) Meta-analysis of 37 studies published between 1981 and 1995 involving 25,367 people. Strong effect sizes before and after taking account of various factors, with average unweighted and weighted d's for each of the outcome variables: for PTSD .50 and .40; for depression .63 and .44; for suicide .64 and .44; for sexual promiscuity .59 and .29; for victim-perpetrator cycle .41 and .16; and for academic performance .24 and .19. Factors taken into account included gender, socioeconomic status, type of abuse, age when abused, relationship to perpetrator, and number of abuse incidents.
 

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I've felt the harm done throughout most of my childhood my adult life, but I won't get into the details here about the emotional scarring that childhood sexual abuse causes. What I will say though is that sometimes we do need tough love to help us through, not a heartless kind of tough love, but just a rational and compassionate one.
 

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the difficulty in talking about abuse is one of the main things that makes it so easy to do

we have always steadfastly refused to discuss it - even codifying it in publication bans
 

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but the systemic part i am referring to is that abuse does not occur in a vacuum.

witness the church. there is enabling both tacitly by people wanting to protect the institution and actively by other people in the institution doing the same thing.

so, to some degree, amateur sports organizations are sanctuaries for abusers
 

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but the systemic part i am referring to is that abuse does not occur in a vacuum.
witness the church. there is enabling both tacitly by people wanting to protect the institution and actively by other people in the institution doing the same thing.
so, to some degree, amateur sports organizations are sanctuaries for abusers

I don't deny that. In my case, it occurred completely outside any organized institution, but I get your point.

Certainly we need tougher laws for abusers. In my optinion, we should give them a choice betwee:

1. surgical gonadectomy (if male) or oophorectomy (if female) followed by at least one year of individual, group, or other therapy, followed by the recommendation of at least two comptetent specialists for release.
2. Live of economically-productive prison labour.
3. Death.

The person should have to consult with at least two specialists to ensure he fully understand the pros and cons of each option and then ensure his freedom without judgment or prejudice on our part to make his choice. The goal here should not be punishment but public safety.

And he should have a full right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt, and that's why most will inevitably get away with it.

So, how do you propose making the kid talk. Some techniques exist, but they also increase the risk of the child revealing false memories. Some techniques exist for discovering false memories, but none of this is an exact science, so the risk of a wrongful conviction is always there. That's why we should give a choice and a right to appeal, and that's why we should punish any vigilante prisoner: the person he's abusing could be innocent for all he knows; so let the law punish him, not some vigilante in prison.

Now until we can figure out how to make the kid talk in a trustworthy manner without risking the promotion of false memories, then we're left with how to help him through the damage, and that's where better counter-addiction policies come into place, which are dismal in Canada.
 
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I honestly don't see what we can do to prevent the sexual or other abuse of children beyond what we are doing now.

One thing we should do is execute pedos. That at least would prevent repeats.
 

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I honestly don't see what we can do to prevent the sexual or other abuse of children beyond what we are doing now.
One thing we should do is execute pedos. That at least would prevent repeats.

And how do we help child and adult victims of childhood sexual abuse?
 

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One thing that does frustrate me is the lack of sympathy and the mockery we give addicts. I'll be blunt about it. Bars, casinos, liquor shops, tobacco shops, and brothels are where we will tend to find a greater concentration of adult victims of sexual abuse. With that in mind, when we see casinos as a cash cow and see gamblers as a resource to be exploited for government coffers for example, then what's the point of acting all angry about the abusers if we don't even acknowledge that they cause any real harm?
 

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Let them pull the trigger.

You think that would have helped me? I know what would help at least some victims: a more effective self-exclusion policy for entering casinos. I've never suffered gambling addiction personally (though I've suffered my share of addictions, mainly relating to alcohol among other things), but I do know that many do turn to gambling as a distraction from their pain.
 

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What we need are parents who have been the counseling before they even have kids.

Neither of my parents have ever sexually abused me and neither of them has ever known about it. Don't assume that a parent is necessarily the abuser. The child has ways to keep it a very tight secret from his parents and from anyone who might tell them.
 

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You seem to want to put the bulk of the blame on natural parents. Do your stats include step-patents and adopted childen? Do you even know??
You seem to have missed a few children in your 'not so' exhaustive research.
http://www.missingkids.com/footer/media/keyfacts
Unfortunately, since many children are never reported missing, there is no reliable way to determine the total number of children who are actually missing in the U.S.
When a child is reported missing to law enforcement, federal law requires that child be entered into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center, also known as NCIC.
According to the FBI, in 2018 there were 424,066 NCIC entries for missing children. In 2017, the total number of missing children entries into NCIC was 464,324.
This number represents reports of missing children. That means if a child runs away multiple times in a year, each instance would be entered into NCIC separately and counted in the yearly total. Likewise, if an entry is withdrawn and amended or updated, that would also be reflected in the total.
During the last 34 years, NCMEC’s national toll-free hotline, 1-800-THE-LOST© (1-800-843-5678), has received more than 4.8 million calls. NCMEC has circulated billions of photos of missing children, assisted law enforcement in the recovery of more than 290,000 missing children and facilitated training for more than 359,000 law enforcement, criminal/juvenile justice and healthcare professionals. NCMEC’s Team HOPE volunteers have provided resources and emotional support to more than 68,000 families of missing and exploited children.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/...the-foster-care-system-and-its-victims-part-2



Foster care is not always a safe haven.
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In part one of this series, I introduced the paradox of the foster care system - a system that is designed to support abused and neglected children, but on the other hand may end up causing additional harm in some cases.
The "Safety" of Foster Care

Once placed in foster care, a child is not always guaranteed to be safe from abuse. In fact, Liftingtheveil.org cites a troubling statistic from one study, claiming that over 28% of children in New York alone are abused while in "the system." However, former foster children I've worked with believe that the incidents of in-foster-care abuse are much higher. Amy (name altered), an adult client who spent over seven years in the foster care system, told me that roughly nine out of ten fellow foster children she crossed paths with claimed that they had been abused by their foster parents.
She also expressed that foster children are often taught by their circumstances not to speak up and are conditioned to think abuse is "normal." Additionally, Amy felt that it was not in their best interests to report abuse and risk being relocated, where they might be subject to yet more "unknown" abuse... and also have to endure another drastic change. She explained, "A foster child is already taught that you don't speak up. It's dangerous. And don't forget that mom/dad already gave you up, so best to shut your mouth, or you could end up moving again." While it seems like further studies of foster parent abuse are needed to gain more accurate statistics, the bottom line is that abuse happens too often.