Systemic abuse of children

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IN perhaps that least surprising story of the year a new study says at least 200 coaches have been convicted of sexual abuse in Canada. 600 children have been abused over the last 20 years.

The thing I have the most trouble with is the reaction. We knew this was going on. We understood that hockey in particular had a lot of problems in this regard, having been exposed many years ago by Sheldon Kennedy and later Theo Flurrey.

The fact is that we have decided long ago that this is a problem we are willing to live with. Unfortunately for children sport is both a baby sitting service and place where parents can inflict their own dreams on their kids.

Of course sex predators are going to flock to any activity or place the attracts kids.

If its a place where kids are generally dumped and left for long periods of time - what could be better?

This abuse is occurring at the very core of amateur sport in every country in every sport.
 
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Hoid said:
If its a place where kids are generally dumped and left for long periods of time - what could be better?

This abuse is occurring at the very core of amateur sport in every country in every sport.
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Abortion via 'hindsight' would solve a lot of problem. If/when a time machine is invented it will be somebody going back to 'off' one of his parents.
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SUICIDE CULT: Left-wing grandmothers launch new group to demand abortions of grandchildren

The Leftist Death Cult strikes again, this time in Maine where a coalition of deranged grandmothers has reportedly formed a new pro-abortion advocacy group that’s pushing for more young women who could be these grandmothers’ daughters to abort their unborn babies – babies who, if they were actually allowed to be born and given a chance at life, could be these grandmothers’ grandchildren.
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GRR! Founder Judy Kahrl says she decided to found the group after traveling to Africa and observing many young women who decided to postpone bearing children and having a family, and instead pursue an education and a career. Somehow in Kahrl’s mind, this inspired her to advocate for more abortion here in the United States where it’s already legal, and where birth control is readily available for women who wish to do the same.
 
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Hoid said:
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IN perhaps that least surprising story of the year a new study says at least 200 coaches have been convicted of sexual abuse in Canada. 600 children have been abused over the last 20 years.
The thing I have the most trouble with is the reaction. We knew this was going on. We understood that hockey in particular had a lot of problems in this regard, having been exposed many years ago by Sheldon Kennedy and later Theo Flurrey.
The fact is that we have decided long ago that this is a problem we are willing to live with. Unfortunately for children sport is both a baby sitting service and place where parents can inflict their own dreams on their kids.
Of course sex predators are going to flock to any activity or place the attracts kids.
If its a place where kids are generally dumped and left for long periods of time - what could be better?
This abuse is occurring at the very core of amateur sport in every country in every sport.
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So what do you propose as a solution?
 
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Hoid said:
Via sport.
IN perhaps that least surprising story of the year a new study says at least 200 coaches have been convicted of sexual abuse in Canada. 600 children have been abused over the last 20 years.
The thing I have the most trouble with is the reaction. We knew this was going on. We understood that hockey in particular had a lot of problems in this regard, having been exposed many years ago by Sheldon Kennedy and later Theo Flurrey.
The fact is that we have decided long ago that this is a problem we are willing to live with. Unfortunately for children sport is both a baby sitting service and place where parents can inflict their own dreams on their kids.
Of course sex predators are going to flock to any activity or place the attracts kids.
If its a place where kids are generally dumped and left for long periods of time - what could be better?
This abuse is occurring at the very core of amateur sport in every country in every sport.
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As it stands it takes a criminal record check and several references to coach a team or volunteer with kids.

What would you do to up the walls? Lie detector tests? Blood tests? A week in Botswana?
 
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As it stands it takes a criminal record check and several references to coach a team or volunteer with kids.
What would you do to up the walls? Lie detector tests? Blood tests? A week in Botswana?
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I know from experience as a Scouter and an incident in our wider community that the criminal background check did not catch a child pornographer who wheedled his way into leading a Cub pack. He was caught and removed before any harm was done but it wasn't any of the vetting process that caught him. He was snagged in a police-led internet sting.

Fact is, these people specifically target Scouts, youth sports, probably Sunday Schools and the like. They are resourceful predators who will do whatever to circumvent our defences.

I don't have an answer short of the summary execution of paedophiles.
 
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the heart of this story is the testimony of someone who suffered years of abuse as a young man and had it ruin his entire life.

he had to ask the judge to lift the publication ban so that he could talk about it in public.

his predator had been convicted and sentenced to 4 years and served just under a year.
 
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half of abuse cases occur in the home.

lets not kid ourselves about that,
 
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Hoid said:
half of abuse cases occur in the home.
lets not kid ourselves about that,
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It's impossible to monitor that. We can monitor hockey coaches, though. It takes involved parents that are more concerned about the state of their children than in the quality of their game, though.
 
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Hoid said:
half of abuse cases occur in the home.

lets not kid ourselves about that,
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When you consider the kids spend 90% of their time there there that is not surprising. That sort of abuse would also have the best chance of being turned around. Strangers are around kids less but more abuse takes place so that would point to to them being worse than natural parents despite your convoluted assessment of the situation.


What is your ratio and what are the recovery stats for parents and strangers?? So far your standard answer is no answer or opinion at all?? How the hell does that quality make you part of the 'master race'??
 
White_Unifier

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I honestly don't see what we can do to prevent the sexual or other abuse of children beyond what we are doing now.

For that reason, we should shift our focus on helping the victims. Since we usually won't know who's a victim due to all kinds of motives to keep it a deeply hidden secret, we may need policies that just help the general public.

One common result of childhood abuse is addiction, whether to alcohol, drugs, gambling, pornography (often violent), prostitution or other compulsive sexual behaviours, and other compulsive behaviours.

With the above in mind, I can see a few policies aimed at helping adult victims of childhood abuse. Firstly, I think David Cameron was onto something with the proposal in the UK to make online access to violent pornography opt-in only. I'd personally extend it to all online pornography and gambling too, and require the person opting in to show ID as proof of age.

Adopt a gambling policy similar to Singapore's. Require all who enter a casino or who want to register onto a gambling website to scan an ID card and their fingreprints at the casino or at the online gambling company's local office. Extend this to loteries too, and disallow access to anyone who has self-excluded himself.

I prefer that prostitution remain a criminal offence; but if we must legalize it, then regulate it similarly to casinos through a self-exclusion policy. Maybe extend it even to non-prostitutional hook-up sites (i.e. those that don't involve an exchange of money) also requiring a person to ID themselves with card and fingerprints like at a casino and having the ability to self-exclude themselves. Maybe extend it even to the purchase of alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco too.

It could be a line-item self-exclusion form allowing a person to decide what he wants to self-exclude himself from precisely, with the details programmed into the ID card so as to give him access to what he wants to be able to access easily but not the rest.

Such a line-item self-exclusion could even allow a person to impose fines on himself for specific violations (such as a heavy fine for circumventing a casino's ID and fingrprint scanners for example).

Any person who applies to sign a self-exclusion declaration should also be informed of where they can turn for help, whether inexpensive 12-step groups for different addictions or more expensive professional help. Beyond that though, the officer handing out the form should not question the person as to their reason. Maybe the person acknowledges an addiction or other compulsive behaviour but isn't prepared to discuss their past in any way.

As for access to ID, the government could always make passports free of charge but allow a person to add a facial and fingerprint scan to their passport information to allow affected businesses to scan the passport for the purpose of enforcing self-exclusion.

At the end of the day, the focus should be less on punishing the criminals (though that's important too) and more on helping the victims.
 
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